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ORIGINAL: Toivo

BryanMelvin:
I assumed units with no weapons (even without small arms) just can't assault. Haven't played SPWAW for ages though, just H2H.

As for planes case might be that target moved and another unit took it's place and got targeted instead thus. Quite possible as I doubt plane is smart enough to hunt few hundred meters off flying direction...

Yes after a test of this, the unarmed crew unit assaulting AVFs seems to be a bug. I am not sure this can be fixed in mech.exe.

Let me know more about the planes if you see anything else.

The crews are fighting again like they did in 7.1 [&:] [:(]

Well I just wanted to chime in with my .02 ...

After spending the weekend (and I mean the WHOLE weekend) playing 8.2, I've gotta say that I am in love with it. I don't know much about the historical accuracy of the OOBs and whatnot, but the game is a blast to play and steals time at an alarming rate. It still boggles my mind that such a fine game is available free.

Thank you Matrix!

ORIGINAL: DzrtFox

Well I just wanted to chime in with my .02 ...

After spending the weekend (and I mean the WHOLE weekend) playing 8.2, I've gotta say that I am in love with it. I don't know much about the historical accuracy of the OOBs and whatnot, but the game is a blast to play and steals time at an alarming rate. It still boggles my mind that such a fine game is available free.

Thank you Matrix!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT [8D]

Alot of hard work went into this update and I a glad so many are enjoying a renewed interest in game!!

There should be a minor (optional) oob update out soon that fixes the German PZ IV G end date error as well correct the missing "P" from TROOP spelling in UK oobs. The Polish OOB is being corrected too.

That is about it for fixes at the moment. If anyone else catches anything else that slipped through the cracks, let me know asap - email me at bryanm@matrixames.com.

Other than a few minor items that slipped throught the cracks, enjoy the game! [:D]

I know one thing for sure, this game is broke somehow. Every single time I sit down to play this thing I just get so frustrated trying to figure it out. It's totaly baffeling.

Everytime, I mean everytime I start a new game or load a saved one, I start to play and BAM, I go through some kind of time warp or worm hole or something cause when I sat down it was maybe 8:00 pm, I start a game and BAM....it's 2:30 am...... I'm telling you right now that if Matrix doesn't fix this, I'm calling the Government and reporting that Matrix games has developed some sort of time machine or something like that.[:D]

Oh and the missing files....I can't seem to get to the point where I have noticed.

ORIGINAL: Thrashman

I know one thing for sure, this game is broke somehow. Every single time I sit down to play this thing I just get so frustrated trying to figure it out. It's totaly baffeling.

Everytime, I mean everytime I start a new game or load a saved one, I start to play and BAM, I go through some kind of time warp or worm hole or something cause when I sat down it was maybe 8:00 pm, I start a game and BAM....it's 2:30 am...... I'm telling you right now that if Matrix doesn't fix this, I'm calling the Government and reporting that Matrix games has developed some sort of time machine or something like that.[:D]

Oh and the missing files....I can't seem to get to the point where I have noticed.

It's a damned conspiracy. Same thing happens to me. Sit down Saturday afternoon to view the forums, play some email games finish a campaign or two and suddenly it's Tuesday![X(]

At this rate I should be celebrating my next birthday in 2010 or so. Bloody amazing![:D]

Same here!

I think that's the reason for Matrix not to charge anything for that game - you can't demand your money back! [;)]

The germans can buy only single ammo trucks.
dont know if this was intentional or not??

Alas the SdKfz's 11/1 and 252 are in other OOB's.
But please don't ask me why. [8|]

It was decided to create ammo trucks sections for each nation, made by a single vehicle, since these are very costly equipment, and this way there would be more flexibility in the purchase. Then, where space permitted, sections made by 2 vehicles were reintroduced, too. I think German OOB was more than full, already [;)]

In any case, you can always buy the single-ammo truck section, and obtain the same result [:)]

ORIGINAL: Toivo

BryanMelvin:
I assumed units with no weapons (even without small arms) just can't assault. Haven't played SPWAW for ages though, just H2H.

As for planes case might be that target moved and another unit took it's place and got targeted instead thus. Quite possible as I doubt plane is smart enough to hunt few hundred meters off flying direction...

Toivo, you need to be a lil bit more clear! You stated you "din´t play SPWAW for ages, just H2H". Do you mean you refered to Panzer Leo´s H2H mod and not SPWAW V8.2??

However, "close assault" capability is tied to unit classes and not directly to available unit weapons (..although AT weapons, if available help considerably)! For this reason, the "civilian" style units in Norway OOBs special units section is classed as "Ski infantry", which has no inbuilt "close assault" capability! With very few exceptions most infantry type units have a "chance" for close assaulting vehicles, even those obviously unarmed.

Some info on close assaulting can be found in the manual page 64.

Aircraft targeting: it´s mostly random with most likelyhood that vehicles or forts are attacked, even if friendly! It´s not a bug, it´s a feature that is described in the manual page 73. Make a document search and you´ll find even more info on the topic. Beside that, the games "air attack" routines have some known problems for sure (providing sighting info for own units to opponent, ..inability to hide vehicles/forts in cover terrain) since quite a long time, not just V8.2
Make a forum search on the topic and be prepared to have dozens of threads showing up!

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

Alas the SdKfz's 11/1 and 252 are in other OOB's.
But please don't ask me why. [8|]

for scenario/Megacam backwards compatibility maybe? [:-]The two ammo carriers are in the czech OOB since a long time and also the Mega cam LV makes use of these units from this OOB. So just as you want "your" ammo carriers in the german OOB, LV Megacam s/b screwed? In the other forum you asked to remove some minor vehicle variants in order to make room for extra heavy artillery and....(german) Mine clearing tanks?[8|] I rather think you just feel quite comfortable beeing part of the local "complainers" group and actually have nothing constructive to tell.

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

Same here!

I think that's the reason for Matrix not to charge anything for that game - you can't demand your money back! [;)]

Dude, you better make some research on Steel Panthers and Matrixgames/Camo group development, before making any such silly comments!

Well, maybe you should just read and think and think again before replying... [8|]

And living with a portion of humor and sarcasm wouldn't make your life more difficult either.

My suggestions for the German OOB's was in regards of an OOB set for PBEM purposes only. Sorry but I didn't know that you could play a Mega Campain by E-mail.

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

Well, maybe you should just read and think and think again before replying... [8|]

And living with a portion of humor and sarcasm wouldn't make your life more difficult either.

Humor, sarcasm, and what else dude? [;)]Beside that this thread deals with V8.2 impressions and not any possible PBEM version of it. Did you try Panzer Leo´s H2H Fr mod at any time?

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Humor, sarcasm, and what else dude? [;)]Beside that this thread deals with V8.2 impressions and not any possible PBEM version of it. Did you try Panzer Leo´s H2H Fr mod at any time?
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Not quite sure what this means? I thought 8.2 can be used for PBEM. Especially with the new mod swapper. Is 8.2 only for battles against AI?

jam

ORIGINAL: RockinHarry

Humor, sarcasm, and what else dude? [;)]Beside that this thread deals with V8.2 impressions and not any possible PBEM version of it. Did you try Panzer Leo´s H2H Fr mod at any time?

I didn't bring up the PBEM topic over here, I was merely

a) responding Albys question

and

b) responding to your post.

I tried H2H at some time in the past, but didn't get too deep into it because I had the impression that you need totally different tactics, with the missing willy-meter and so on. And since it took me a long time to develop tactics for the normal version, I was fraid to spoil them [;)].

ORIGINAL: Jamminji

Not quite sure what this means? I thought 8.2 can be used for PBEM. Especially with the new mod swapper. Is 8.2 only for battles against AI?

jam

Jamminji,

You can play by E-mail with 8.2. But some people think that while the OOB's are nearly perfect to play against the AI, the could use some tweaking for PBEM. That's why the idea of a "Depot OOB set" came up.

ORIGINAL: Jamminji

Humor, sarcasm, and what else dude? [;)]Beside that this thread deals with V8.2 impressions and not any possible PBEM version of it. Did you try Panzer Leo´s H2H Fr mod at any time?
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Not quite sure what this means? I thought 8.2 can be used for PBEM. Especially with the new mod swapper. Is 8.2 only for battles against AI?

jam
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No, off course V8.2 is for both PBEM and AI play. [:)]I thought Losqualo was already referring to a specialized PBEM version of V8.2 and I suggested Panzer Leo´s H2H mod would be the perfect choice![8D] I hope Panzer Leo makes an update for V8.2 as well (H2H Fr was for V7.1!).

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

ORIGINAL: RockinHarry

Humor, sarcasm, and what else dude? [;)]Beside that this thread deals with V8.2 impressions and not any possible PBEM version of it. Did you try Panzer Leo´s H2H Fr mod at any time?

I didn't bring up the PBEM topic over here, I was merely

a) responding Albys question

and

b) responding to your post.

I tried H2H at some time in the past, but didn't get too deep into it because I had the impression that you need totally different tactics, with the missing willy-meter and so on. And since it took me a long time to develop tactics for the normal version, I was fraid to spoil them [;)].

ORIGINAL: Jamminji

Not quite sure what this means? I thought 8.2 can be used for PBEM. Especially with the new mod swapper. Is 8.2 only for battles against AI?

jam

Jamminji,

You can play by E-mail with 8.2. But some people think that while the OOB's are nearly perfect to play against the AI, the could use some tweaking for PBEM. That's why the idea of a "Depot OOB set" came up.

Ok, I calm down now.[;)] All I can say again, If you want any particular "improvements" that require changes that kill backwards scenario and mega cam compatibility, then make your own custom OOB, agree with your team mates what works and what does not, test it couple of houndred hours (vs. AI and H2H, side effects ect) and have it finally ripped by other SPWAW players again.[:D]

Have fun

Transposition error in Russian OOB--units 110 & 111 have their costs reversed. So, the 122mm should cost 54, and the 152mm should be 75. This fix will be in the patch, of course, but you guys can go ahead and fix it manually, if you wish.