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ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

This one is of the nature of a "bug" or typo ...

The George is arriving 4306 .. but the Toyoda engines are arriving 4309 ( per the database ) ... hence George's cannot really be built until 4309 ... so ... these should be synch'd .. either move George back to 4309 ... or move Toyoda engines up to 4306 ...

As Japan ... after playing from 4112 .. .all the way to 4306 ... and gearing up to produce lots of George ... and then finding out I had to wait another 3 months ... I was a bit "excited" !!!

Which George? The N1K1 or N1K2? Lemurs! is probably the best person to answer this question, but if I had to guess the date of the plane's arrival is probably the most correct. The engine must be a typo.

The one that arrives on 4306 in CHS ( which is the N1K1 ). Yes, I would figure he didn't realise the DB had a "start date" for the engine of 4309 ... I don't think the engine is a typo ... in stock the George first comes in in 4312 ... so the engine was set to start being produced 3 months prior to the planes arrival. But when Lemurs! moved the plane to 4306 ... the engine stayed at 4309 ... hence problem.

ORIGINAL: Halsey

So far the 1.7 ASW is looking very good.[;)]

Some escorts will drop their entire load of DC's, and I have not witnessed more than 4 escorts attacking in a phase.
Haven't seen an outright sub kill yet.

For the Japanese this would be about right, but what happens to Allied ASW mid to late war??

See thread on P-38G and J cruise speed change...also P-38F in CHS.

Worr, out

as far as i saw in CHS v6 i seen Aichi D3A2 on the carriers from the start of the war and as far as i know they were introduced in the Battles around salomons in 1942... so schuldent be those planes reserchable and reaplacing D3A1[&:]

Minor point (looks like a typo) - 411th Bombardment has the strength of 21 B17s, not 12.

The following lis a lis of US Army units assigned to Pacific Theatre . Does not include the European Transfers of late 1945. Three Inf Divisions and 2 Infantry Regts were embarked in east coast ports (Americal, 31st, and 38th Inf Div; 102nd and 147th Inf Rgt). These units should show up at Panama 7 days after the date shown. Ditto for the standard map, but San Francisco instead.

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

The following lis a lis of US Army units assigned to Pacific Theatre . Does not include the European Transfers of late 1945. Three Inf Divisions and 2 Infantry Regts were embarked in east coast ports (Americal, 31st, and 38th Inf Div; 102nd and 147th Inf Rgt). These units should show up at Panama 7 days after the date shown. Ditto for the standard map, but San Francisco instead.

Hi,

great stuff! Many thanks for making this available (as with the US AA units)!

But one question: You mention 140th, 144th and 150th US Rgt as arrivals. These formations are neither in vanilla WITP nor CHS. Do you know what happened with them? Were they used for WC defense or eventually incorporated in new divisions?

K

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

The following lis a lis of US Army units assigned to Pacific Theatre . Does not include the European Transfers of late 1945. Three Inf Divisions and 2 Infantry Regts were embarked in east coast ports (Americal, 31st, and 38th Inf Div; 102nd and 147th Inf Rgt). These units should show up at Panama 7 days after the date shown. Ditto for the standard map, but San Francisco instead.

Hi,

great stuff! Many thanks for making this available (as with the US AA units)!

But one question: You mention 140th, 144th and 150th US Rgt as arrivals. These formations are neither in vanilla WITP nor CHS. Do you know what happened with them? Were they used for WC defense or eventually incorporated in new divisions?

K

Not having my data in front of me I tried to include Inf Div/Rgts that were seperate for the duration. I will double check these when I get home, but I beleive that they were assigned as defence for the West Coast for the duration, or at least for a significant period of time.

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

The following lis a lis of US Army units assigned to Pacific Theatre . Does not include the European Transfers of late 1945. Three Inf Divisions and 2 Infantry Regts were embarked in east coast ports (Americal, 31st, and 38th Inf Div; 102nd and 147th Inf Rgt). These units should show up at Panama 7 days after the date shown. Ditto for the standard map, but San Francisco instead.

Hi,

great stuff! Many thanks for making this available (as with the US AA units)!

But one question: You mention 140th, 144th and 150th US Rgt as arrivals. These formations are neither in vanilla WITP nor CHS. Do you know what happened with them? Were they used for WC defense or eventually incorporated in new divisions?

K

Not having my data in front of me I tried to include Inf Div/Rgts that were seperate for the duration. I will double check these when I get home, but I beleive that they were assigned as defence for the West Coast for the duration, or at least for a significant period of time.

All three of these regiments were originally assigned to parent divisions that started the war under the old square TO&E.

140th IR was releived from the 35th ID when it converted from a square to triangle at San Diego in 1/22/43 and assigend to the Western Defence Command.

144th IR was orginally part of the 36th ID and relieved on 1/1/1942 at Portland, OR. Relocated to SF where it was assigned to the Western Defence Command.

150th IF was originally assigned to the 38th ID, transported to the Panama Canal Zone, arriving on 1/4/42 where it was relieved from the 38th ID and assined to the PCZ defence.

Not sure if it's been mentioned but in going over the Chinese Army OOB for the leaders, it looks like there are some duplicated Chinese Corps but they are in different locations but same name - 36th, 49th, 93rd & 96th. Not sure if the one or both of the 93/96 should be Divs as my last CHS OOB had a 93/96 Chinese Corp & 93/96 Div unit. Also the 10th Chinese Corp has a typo, in DB it's 10th Corp so in game it comes out as 10th Corp Corp instead of 10th Chinese Corp.

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not sure if it's been mentioned but in going over the Chinese Army OOB for the leaders, it looks like there are some duplicated Chinese Corps but they are in different locations but same name - 36th, 49th, 93rd & 96th. Not sure if the one or both of the 93/96 should be Divs as my last CHS OOB had a 93/96 Chinese Corp & 93/96 Div unit. Also the 10th Chinese Corp has a typo, in DB it's 10th Corp so in game it comes out as 10th Corp Corp instead of 10th Chinese Corp.

I will take a look, but the Chinese OOB is not my speciality, unfortunately. The person who revised the Chinese OOB - Treespider - is no longer part of the CHS team, so I am not sure if/when this would be fixed.

Andrew

What's up with Treespider?

Attached is a list of US Armor units assigned to the Pacific:

attached ar US Engineer Rgts assigned to Pacific.

The one that arrives on 4306 in CHS ( which is the N1K1 ). Yes, I would figure he didn't realise the DB had a "start date" for the engine of 4309 ... I don't think the engine is a typo ... in stock the George first comes in in 4312 ... so the engine was set to start being produced 3 months prior to the planes arrival. But when Lemurs! moved the plane to 4306 ... the engine stayed at 4309 ... hence problem.

While this particular problem is artificial, MANY times the Japanese REALLY had just this problem. They had to wait to get the plane - or use a different (usually lower powered) engine to produce sooner. Engines were a MAJOR Japanese problem throughout the war era - one not well simulated by WITP or CHS. It is a reason I made my first project a major analysis of how to fix this issue. Unfortunately, there are too few engine slots that will report - so I had to compromise - and many planes that had engine issues historically will not even with my revision. But SOME of the planes COULD have these issues IF I set the three undeveloped engine dates back enough. I wanted to hear what people think before setting those dates back, though.

ORIGINAL: Halsey

So far the 1.7 ASW is looking very good.

Some escorts will drop their entire load of DC's, and I have not witnessed more than 4 escorts attacking in a phase.
Haven't seen an outright sub kill yet.


For the Japanese this would be about right, but what happens to Allied ASW mid to late war??

Should be the only difference is the weapons effects. Since the game does not track sonar types, you should see effects from larger DC patterns, or use of weapons like Hedgehog. But the number of attacking vessels should be limited - probably to two IMHO. Another effect should be that of planes in the hunting force - but I am not sure it is modeled?

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not sure if it's been mentioned but in going over the Chinese Army OOB for the leaders, it looks like there are some duplicated Chinese Corps but they are in different locations but same name - 36th, 49th, 93rd & 96th. Not sure if the one or both of the 93/96 should be Divs as my last CHS OOB had a 93/96 Chinese Corp & 93/96 Div unit. Also the 10th Chinese Corp has a typo, in DB it's 10th Corp so in game it comes out as 10th Corp Corp instead of 10th Chinese Corp.

I will take a look, but the Chinese OOB is not my speciality, unfortunately. The person who revised the Chinese OOB - Treespider - is no longer part of the CHS team, so I am not sure if/when this would be fixed.

Andrew

I will be in Taiwan over the Christmas holidays. I will check if there are any good English-language Chinese OOB sources while I am there.

ORIGINAL: el cid again

ORIGINAL: Halsey

So far the 1.7 ASW is looking very good.

Some escorts will drop their entire load of DC's, and I have not witnessed more than 4 escorts attacking in a phase.
Haven't seen an outright sub kill yet.


For the Japanese this would be about right, but what happens to Allied ASW mid to late war??

Should be the only difference is the weapons effects. Since the game does not track sonar types, you should see effects from larger DC patterns, or use of weapons like Hedgehog. But the number of attacking vessels should be limited - probably to two IMHO. Another effect should be that of planes in the hunting force - but I am not sure it is modeled?

Two things - remember that each phase (two per day) is 12 hours long. Second, as of a recent patch the number of escorts conducting an ASW attack has been limited to 4. The number contributing to detection is unlimited (IIRC).

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not sure if it's been mentioned but in going over the Chinese Army OOB for the leaders, it looks like there are some duplicated Chinese Corps but they are in different locations but same name - 36th, 49th, 93rd & 96th. Not sure if the one or both of the 93/96 should be Divs as my last CHS OOB had a 93/96 Chinese Corp & 93/96 Div unit. Also the 10th Chinese Corp has a typo, in DB it's 10th Corp so in game it comes out as 10th Corp Corp instead of 10th Chinese Corp.

I will take a look, but the Chinese OOB is not my speciality, unfortunately. The person who revised the Chinese OOB - Treespider - is no longer part of the CHS team, so I am not sure if/when this would be fixed.

Andrew

Andrew,

I worked with Treespider on the Chinese OB and we both worked from the same sources - i.e. we both have the same sources. So let me know if you want me to help with specific questions, of course if I'm working on Chinese OB I'm not working on new IJA/IJN OBs for those moments ... sounds like some "editor" finger fiddling issues ...

ORIGINAL: witpqs

What's up with Treespider?

He is pursing other pursuits !!!