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Well, did say we wanted to get more filters added staff plotting system

which for part of your complaint, if the Staff is plotting raids too deep, you can change the range limit already, you want it to only plot raids out to 500 miles ? change the range

I have some suggestions for the german production system, some may have been suggested earlier

1) Factories supposed to research a specific aircraft like Me 163 should not be availble to produce anything other until either the introduction date of this specific aircraft or one to three months earlier (suggesting a project may have been cancelled).

2) Changing a factory line currently affects all other lines to the same amount, this should be greatly reduced. A nice value would be 5 turns multiplied with the size of the line changed divided by factory capacity and rounded up, minimum of 3-5 turns (onlys for the other lines of this factory, standard rule for changed line).

3) Engines
3a) Break down DB engines production into DB 605 and DB 603 only, the DB 605AS was just a modified DB 605A with the large DB 603 supercharger, the DB 605D was a DB 605A/AS redesign. The DB 603 was a very problematic engine and always in short supply, it has meen a maintenance nightmare because it needed a major overhaul just after about 60 hours of operation instead of the planned 100 hours. DB 603 production should have a 2:1 limitation, produce two and get one.
3aa) To avoid exploits limit Bf 109 G-5 production by 3:1 or even bigger, production was not that high and they were often used for recon ops. Limiting the DB 603 production also helps with the exploit to only build He 219 nightfighters and to get the Do 335 early. Also the Me 210 looks more attractive now with DB 605 engines instead of Me 410 with DB 603.

3b) Break down BMW piston engines into BMW 801 and BMW 801J (turbocharged version fur Ju 388), seriously limit the 801J production by 3:1 (produce 3 and get one). Most 801 engines should be based around the same baseengine, even the latewar 801S.
3bb) Production limitations for Ju 388 should be removed

3c) Break down Jumo piston engines into Jumo engines and Jumo 213 E/F engines, E/F engines should get a production limitation of at least 2:1 to avoid the exploit of having the Ta 152 too early.

4) Aircraft parts: Have you ever thought of bigger planes use two aircraft parts instead of just one for small fighter planes ?

5) Aircraft
5a)The Fw 190A should be divided into an older version with MG FF/MG 17 and at least one newer version with all-MG 151 and MG 131 (starting with A-7), just keep the current 1943 campaign Fw 190 OOB but change these units with all-MG 151 to the newer model.

5b) Give us the option to convert old Fw 190A or Fw 190 Wilde Sau nightfighter models into Fw 190F or Fw 190G models in the production screen. It should need one 801 engine, one Fw 190 parts and three old Fw 190A models (taken from pool) to receive two Fw 190F or Fw 190G. Similar convertion should be available for the Bf 109 nightfighter into Bf 109 G-6/U4 +R6 (use three to convert and receive 3 converted planes, just removal of nf equipment and small mods needed).

5c) The Bf 109 G-6 must have MG 151/20 + two MG 131, the MK 108 equipped G-6/U4 appeared later, AFAIK somewhere around October 1943. Production figures is about 5300 for G-6 and 1500 for G-6/U4 (1/44 to end of war). Problem here may be the R6 equipped bomber killer version, ther may be two version needed then (one with 3x MG 151 and the other with MK 108 + 2x MG 151). Maybe the G-6 should upgrade to G-6/U4 and G-6 +R6 to G-6/U4 +R6 in January 1944.

5d) The Bf 110 G-4 should be split into the F-4 (the data seems to be for this version, several units seem to be still flying this version in 1943) and the faster G-4 without Schräge Musik). Production changeover from G-4 to the G-4/U8(or /R8?) SM-equipped version should be with reduced costs.

5e) Production change between Ju 88 C-6a and C-6b should be possible without delay if enough electronics are available to be built-in.

5f) Endurance/range of Ju 88 G should be loked at, it does not have as much internal fuel like the Ju 88 C/R because of the missing bomb bay with additional tanks. Should use drop tanks though.

6) OOB
Some additional OOB would be nice: Both campaigns should have a modified version with the german nightfighters having a full implementation of Schräge Musik (except Bf 110 F-4 models or supposed-to-be-F-4).

(1) I would hope to see ground units for Axis and Allied forces in both Eagle Day and Bombing of the Reich.

(2) In Eagle day why not add a 3rd Campaign starting at the Battle of Britain but carrying on until the end of the blitz in May 1941?

(3) You may of given an answer to this but will these two games come with an editor. This would aloud new units to be created by players or new Aircraft to be added to the game in the same way as Witp.

(4) Even if you can't add any of the above at the moment could they be added on at a later date.

MJT

Hi Langley,

1) If we add Allied Divisions into BTR game, what role do you see them playing ? The Axis can not bomb them after all.

2) This idea also needs expanding on a little. If a BoB campaign carries on after October isn't it effectively a LW failure to win anyway ?

3) Yes, we need an editor, definitely. Allows user to make and share their own scenarios and increase the longivity of the game.

4) Hopefully.

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ORIGINAL: otisabuser2

Hi Langley,

1) If we add Allied Divisions into BTR game, what role do you see them playing ? The Axis can not bomb them after all.

2) This idea also needs expanding on a little. If a BoB campaign carries on after October isn't it effectively a LW failure to win anyway ?

3) Yes, we need an editor, definitely. Allows user to make and share their own scenarios and increase the longivity of the game.

4) Hopefully.

[:)]

(1) Maybe I am wrong but I seem to remember that the Axis were going to be given some strike units to hit Allied forces. If they can hit airfields then give them ground forces as well. Also why not give the ground forces the option to attack other ground forces? Lastly if these can be done for BTR why not do the same for BOB!

(2)The option to win in September should still be there in this option However if the victory condictions are not met then give the germans the change to win a Terror campaign against British citys. Also please note that German and Italian Forces carried out many daylight air raids on the UK after September until the end of 1940. The night Blitz of 1940 reduced German losses and was not counter until later in 1941.

Hope this clears up my earlier comments.

MJT

Well
remember this is still a wish list, not a list of things we have done or can or will do

we had hoped to be able to add a number of things to the game, some are on hold, some are on maybe, so are , ohwell, maybe next time

I was and am still hopeing to get some form or V weapons into the game, but that still will not give the other side Off missions

JC was hopeing to be able to expand upon the ground war, now if that meant adding in ground units for the Allies I am not sure, but even if it did, the AI would still control it, not the player

we do hope to get the ground war back more towards were it was in the beginning, but can't say we will or we wont yet

Hi Langley,

I'm not saying that continuing the 1940 campaign into 1941 is not either a valid or interesting option.

What I am in favour of is trying to develop a concencus on what actually should constitute a LW victory or RAF victory.

British morale was at a low point after the fall of France and the withdrawl from Norway. The UK population feared invasion at this point and there were two things that Hitler thought would knock out the UK. One was an invasion ( or a real fear of it ) and the second was terror bombing.

Rotterdam and Warsaw convinced Hitler that the UK would collapse under terror bombing alone. What worked against this was the strange mindset of the UK public. Determined that Britain would not fall massive numbers of residents flocked to join organisations such as the LDV, determined that Hitler would conquer Britain over their dead bodies. Literally !

The longer the Battle of Britain went on, the more the UK became determined and defiant.

I suggest that the LW switch to the night Blitz was the point of their admitting defeat. They have given up not only the notion of destroying the RAF and thus any attempt at invasion. They have also given up any massed daylight attacks in the face of the UK public to only risk skulking across in the dark.

If we do carry the campaign on into 1941, it ought to require an ever increasing level of Terror with time. Perhaps linked to several Coventry type scenarios where major city centres are all but wiped out.

There seems little point in LW attacking the RAF in the winter, because whatever the air superiority, the fact is the Wermacht can not land.

Otis

I understand your point about the LW switch to the night Blitz being the point at which LW admitted defeat. I also like the idea of increasing the Terror with time. However I think this makes the game far more intresting than a 1941 campaign which did not take place.

MJT

Did you win?[8D]

Hi Langley,

I'm quite keen to develop the notion of Victory Conditions further for BoB. I'm not sure that as they stand in game, that they are truly representative.

I was not thinking along the lines of including ground units in the style of BTR. Perhaps coastal batteries in key locations ?

Sounds OK to me do you have a list of locations?

MJT