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Hi all,

Thanks for great game and AAR! [:)]


Leo "Apollo11"

Congrats for a good game and for sticking in here Tarhunnas

Great AAR, which showed that getting Leningrad only makes a real difference if you get the Crimea and as close to Rostov as you can in 1941. The south is really hard to defend due to the clear terrain, and if you can't trade space for time to fall back to a strongly defended Dneiper River in 1943, it will always be hard to slow the Soviets down, and I think they were at least 6 months ahead of schedule in this game.

It has always been tough for the Axis to make good progress in the south in 1941 and 1942, but initial signs are that the new entrenchment rules in 1.05 will make the southern flank a little less hard work for the axis than it is at the moment.

Great AAR Tarhunnas! I'll keep yours and Q-Ball's threads bookmarked. Even with 1.05 they will be a good reference

ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

Great AAR, which showed that getting Leningrad only makes a real difference if you get the Crimea and as close to Rostov as you can in 1941. The south is really hard to defend due to the clear terrain, and if you can't trade space for time to fall back to a strongly defended Dneiper River in 1943, it will always be hard to slow the Soviets down, and I think they were at least 6 months ahead of schedule in this game.

It has always been tough for the Axis to make good progress in the south in 1941 and 1942, but initial signs are that the new entrenchment rules in 1.05 will make the southern flank a little less hard work for the axis than it is at the moment.

I completely agree with your first paragraph, BigA. Securing the eastern Ukraine and Crimea is key for the German to keep the First Winter manageable. However, I disagree with the second paragraph.

While AGS armor is limited, my Axis opponents tend to be unable to assign to it realistic objectives. They seem to oscillate between going first for Kharkov or going directly for Stalino, ending up going for the "middle". Focusing on Kharkov first, and then, during early October and snow turns on Stalino, would probably mean that both cities get in the bag. The usual outcome of this Buridan's ass like strategy is that only one of them is conquered or none.

One major factor introduced by 1.04 and 1.05 is that freeing up the Finns isn't that critical anymore, and might even open up interesting options in the north for the Soviets (it actually did in this game). Even leaving the finns south of the no-move line sitting on their butts doesn't seem to me as a wise move. While the 4. PzGruppe is very necessary to open up Soviet defenses on the Leningrad approaches, once these are crushed, I think it can play a far more decisive role on Moscow.

Most of the time 3. PzGruppe and 2. PzGruppe team up to take on to this objective, advancing along a narrow corridor between Rzhev and Vyazma. While this maneuver keeps the German armor concentrated, it also makes very predictable its possible attack axis.

A three-pronged assault on the capitol - say 4. PzGruppe along the Rzhev - Kalinin direction, 3. PzGruppe along the Vyazma - Kaluga direction and 2. PzGruppe along the Orel - Tula direction would probably be impossible to stop, even in front of the most stern Soviet defense. And it would probably draw resources from the south, creating opportunities to be exploited by AGS.

Terrific AAR and great game from both Q-Ball and Tarhunnas.

At some point down the road, I hope you guys go for a rematch with whatever is current for patches, etc.

Thanks for doing the extra work of the AAR Tarhunnas. I have learned a lot watching. [:)]

Thanks for the great AAR Tarhunnas. It used to be one of my first reads during morning tea for a long time. I hope you recover from your combat fatigue...and if not, godspeed to you!

The moment this AAR came to an end, it was like loosing an old comrade, no joke. And we were very fortunate to watch two intelligent gamers, that may have contributed tons of informations not only to the community but also to the devs. Thanks.

ORIGINAL: Balou

The moment this AAR came to an end, it was like loosing an old comrade, no joke. And we were very fortunate to watch two intelligent gamers, that may have contributed tons of informations not only to the community but also to the devs. Thanks.

Thanks for the kind words! Glad to have contributed to the enjoyment of others, but everything has to come to an end...

Ah yes the glory of WIE! The good ol days are here again!!