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RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:41 am
by janh
ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Glad to hear you are going north and planning to encircle forces north of you.
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On a bad note its the start of August 43' now,when does the enforced panzer reorganization take place? September?
Yes, north is what I thought too. Else your left flank just grows and grows. Tambov, Voronesh and so on seem to be rather easy preys given that Brad's defense essentially disintegrated. But Moscow...the turning point?
The ToE upgrade... there is July 43 for the SS, and October for the Panzerdivisions. It all depends on your Panther A pools, as the most important change is probably the Panzer IIIm to Panther A conversion. It does make a huge difference though, except for the black guys, which gain real Panzer ToEs and combat power then. Nonetheless, it is highly questionable that such a ToE change would have been done in this situation. The enforced ToE changes keep striking me as a sort of bug-by-design. Game in maintainance or not, there should at least be a button to delay them for a few AP. Or one day hopefully a much smarter logic that analyses overall situation and pools.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:20 am
by terje439
ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Glad to hear you are going north and planning to encircle forces north of you. Going further east,no matter how tempting is a mistake in my opinion. Tula and Tomboy are within reach Voronezh is ripe to fall as well. So where are we at regarding victory points now?
Once you are in Tula then Moscow comes on the radar horizon.
On a bad note its the start of August 43' now,when does the enforced panzer reorganization take place? September? Going to be a wild 4-10 turns coming up. Worst case scenario those fortified areas you have created may come in handy.
The panzers have been upgrading for some time allready, nothing I can do about that unfortunately.
To get enough VP, I need to take everything west of the Volga along its entire length, so I need to push furter east as well if I am going to win that way.
Terje
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:22 am
by terje439
ORIGINAL: janh
ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Glad to hear you are going north and planning to encircle forces north of you.
...
On a bad note its the start of August 43' now,when does the enforced panzer reorganization take place? September?
Yes, north is what I thought too. Else your left flank just grows and grows. Tambov, Voronesh and so on seem to be rather easy preys given that Brad's defense essentially disintegrated. But Moscow...the turning point?
The ToE upgrade... there is July 43 for the SS, and October for the Panzerdivisions. It all depends on your Panther A pools, as the most important change is probably the Panzer IIIm to Panther A conversion. It does make a huge difference though, except for the black guys, which gain real Panzer ToEs and combat power then. Nonetheless, it is highly questionable that such a ToE change would have been done in this situation. The enforced ToE changes keep striking me as a sort of bug-by-design. Game in maintainance or not, there should at least be a button to delay them for a few AP. Or one day hopefully a much smarter logic that analyses overall situation and pools.
What pools?! The only AFVs I have more than enough of is StuGs and Tigers...The PzIV pool saw a high peak last turn (not been this high for ages, when it reached 4...
Terje
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:31 am
by terje439
Turn 112 aka the drawbacks of being far eastwards
Overall
As the title suggest, I found the main drawback by fighting this far east. Mud arrives earlier [:@]
Brad had reopened the pockets by walking, and even isolated some of my panzers. I had enough MP to reform the pockets, and all I can do now is hope that Brad is as stumped by the mud as I am. A lousy 4 attacks this turn, for a result of 2 retreats, 1 rout and 1 surrender. Not enough attacks, nor enough ground gained this turn.
USSR units in pockets at start of turn
1.
USSR units in pockets at end of turn
6.
Losses
USSR : 87.000 troops, 1.164 guns, 51 AFVs, 258 AC.
Axis : 20.000 troops, 78 guns, 52 AFVs, 47 AC.
USSR units lost
1 Rifle Corp.
German units disbanded
None.
Partisans hunted down
7.
German pools
Manpower : 195.827
Vehicles : 241.794
Armaments : 528.439
Hiwi : 42.206
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:30 pm
by Tophat1815
Are you using historical weather?
He still lost an infantry corps and you did re-establish the pockets so its not all bad news.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:59 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Are you using historical weather?
He still lost an infantry corps and you did re-establish the pockets so its not all bad news.
Nope, Random. True, but 1 inf corps is not enough. For the first time in a long time, his OOB grew this turn.
Terje
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:22 am
by randallw
Having shortages in the tank pools is always something the Axis player goes through, whether 1941, 1942, etc., and whether winning or losing.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:55 am
by terje439
ORIGINAL: randallw
Having shortages in the tank pools is always something the Axis player goes through, whether 1941, 1942, etc., and whether winning or losing.
True, but there is shortage and then there is SHORTAGE [:D]
Terje
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:01 am
by terje439
Turn 113
Overall
The mud is gone, and we attack in a style not really seen since 1941. Brad's defences are crumbling now, and I think I am close to breaking his back properly (in a style that will allow an Axis win). I think the attack numbers says it all;
82 (!!) attacks gave a result of 9 helds, 63 retreats, 5 routs and 5 surrenders. We also created quite a few pockets this turn, and we reached the outskirts of Tula.
USSR units in pockets at start of turn
6.
USSR units in pockets at end of turn
22.
Losses
USSR : 150.000 troops, 2.570 guns, 155 AFVs, 599 AC.
Axis : 30.000 troops, 323 guns, 89 AFVs, 115 AC.
USSR units lost
3 Rifle Divisions, 3 Rifle Brigades.
German units disbanded
1 Fortified Zone.
Partisans hunted down
12.
German pools
Manpower : 208.875
Vehicles : 241.438
Armaments : 550.432
Hiwi : 35.663
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:01 am
by terje439
Closeup #1
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:01 am
by terje439
Closeup #2
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:02 am
by terje439
Closeup #3
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:02 am
by terje439
What we need/Lebensraum
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:30 pm
by juret
love this aar. good work terje.
The tula area looks very nice for u. Just strike north west and gobble up hes front units. Close to orel orel railhead for massiv drops of fuels and supply trucks.
Also looks u can just move north direction with the 3rd pz army and strike at right flank of tula.
made a pic how i would make it. red cirkles are planned pockets.
straight blue lines are defence lines for winter 43. blue arrows are axis attacks.
http://www.bilddump.se/bilder/201301291 ... 144.37.jpg
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:41 pm
by M60A3TTS
I must say based on the AARs I've read, if there is an award for most improved player you would get my vote. Great job!
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:19 pm
by Tophat1815
Do you see any corps from the reds other than what is down south in Rostov Stalingrad area?
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 pm
by veji1
I think the back is already broken... Logistics alone will probably prevent you from reaching autovictory, but he is toast. were this the situation in 8/42, he could still get enough men and get himself organise for a weak albeit possible red offensive starting from the Volga line, but in 43 it is just too late. You killed him. He has being playing without clear direction, throwing his forces away piecemeal at the meatgrinder for the last 4 or 5 months until the point is reached where his army isn't a cohesive unit anymore.
You won.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:45 pm
by Flaviusx
Yeah, this is over pretty much.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:35 pm
by hfarrish
Yeah, if I had to guess at what he's thinking (or thought) it was likely a failure to acknowledge the reality that the German turnaround after a poor '41 was real and that merely holding onto manpower wouldn't accomplish anything - he needed to retreat like you would in your typical '42 and never did so, and this snowballed in '43 where (trying to put myself into his shoes) he probably assumed the German would naturally weaken due to withdrawls/TOE/morale changes and that he would naturally strengthen, and that never happened.
RE: What?! Seriously?! You are back for more??? No Oloren!!
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:55 am
by terje439
ORIGINAL: juret
love this aar. good work terje.
The tula area looks very nice for u. Just strike north west and gobble up hes front units. Close to orel orel railhead for massiv drops of fuels and supply trucks.
Also looks u can just move north direction with the 3rd pz army and strike at right flank of tula.
made a pic how i would make it. red cirkles are planned pockets.
straight blue lines are defence lines for winter 43. blue arrows are axis attacks.
http://www.bilddump.se/bilder/201301291 ... 144.37.jpg
Thank you.
Hmm so you think I should switch to the defence in winter, and not press on?
Terje
