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Michaelm noted in another thread just now that at the moment, cargo is working only for DB3000 units, with plans to get it into CWDB eventually. So that would figure!

From what I understand it's less a loadout issue and more that each unit needs entries for personnel/weight/area capacity.

Is there an easy way to generate the weight/personnel numbers from loadouts, and area from unit dimensions? I figure it would be quite a lot of manual work otherwise!

Please check the fuel carried by all the Gearing and Sumner Class DD in all their assorted FRAM and foreign variants. They only carry 13.5 tons of oil fuel (although a couple of models carry 18-tons plus AVGAS) and their endurance is less than 2.5 days at cruise speed. By comparison, the smaller Fletchers carry over 400 tons. Thank you.

-C

its all by hand not spreadsheet

Regarding the DB updates, can't do it with an algorithm because not all ships are the same. EVENTUALLY, one day in a distant future, nearly all military vessels should have a dock (or small crane ) and personnel capacity, so we can realistically use RHIBs - haha, take it a step even further, and all vessels should have crew accounted for, so boarding party raids can be done. Recreate some good ol' Somalia Pirate Action, and demonstrate why its not a good idea to try to board and try to take over an LHA. [:D]

The Yak 28 Brewer B and C are listed as having a combat radius of 200 NM. This would put it in the same class as the Su7, and less than half the combat radius of the IL28 which it replaced. There is a report on archive.org called 'Warsaw Pact airpower : Forces for use in central Europe' dated December 1973, which on page 19 suggests it has a combat radius of 450 Nautical miles when carryng weapons, not too much less than the EW and Recce Variants. There are similar estimates on at least one other report from the same period.

Also, please can we have a Soviet variant of Mig23M as it entered service in 1972/1973? I think in that period the main dogfight missile would have been Atoll. R60 didnt enter service till much later. Also, it would likely have had a mix of AA7 in the Radar and IR variants, ie, one each.

No problems thats for thr infomation

OK got a few requests here. Ive been working on a scenario based on the 1973 naval standoff in the Med, so apologies if this is a bit parochial of me.

The earliest version of Tu22 'Blinder B' getting AS4 is the chaff equipped version dated 1979. Possibly (ive not checked) the chaff pod was added at this date, but the AS4 was certainly in service on the aircraft prior to 1979, some sources suggest it might be as early as 1968.

Quebec class (Project 615) submarine. Possibly it might not be included yet due to the difficulty of modelling a dual engined submarine, but it would be nice to have it because there were lots of these in service in the Black Sea in the 1970s. Perhaps model it breaking down a lot...

SH-F Seasprite should be available for the US Navy since 1973, in the game its marked as being only available in 1978.

Vulcan with 21 thousand pounders has an external jammer pod, but the one carrying WE177 does not. This is because the conventional aircraft is in the 'Black Buck' configuration, which only occurred for the Falklands war, and did not exist earlier. Earlier operations that would almost certainly have required 1000lbers would have just used the internal jammer system. Just be nice to have a conventional variant just with the aircrafts internal jamming systems without the ALQ lashup is basically what im saying.

Doesnt seem to be a Mig-21R 'Fishbed H' in the Soviet list.

PGM84 Ashville SSM fitted seemingly lacks a director for the Standard SSM's it has. Or at least, it cant seem to fire them.

Earliest version of the Swiftsure class related as entering service in 1975. Swiftsure was reported (in the 'Hunter Killer's book) in service in October 1973 at Gibraltar, testing an early development version of Mk24 Tigerfish. Im not sure whether they would have had a warhead on them, but possibly they might have done in an emergency. The earlier Mk23's in this period according to 'The Silent Deep' might have been unable to track anything but Whiskey class submarines, so in those circumstances an early mod Tigerfish might be justifiable. Also, im reasonably certain when it entered service, Swiftsure didnt have a towed array. The one dated 1975 looks reasonable best I can tell.

We have the Type 14 ASW Frigate, can we possibly HMS Exmouth also, as it as fitted as the RN trial ship for the Gas turbine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Exmouth_(F84)

D212 Kanaris (Gearing FRAM I) 1972-1992 x 6 has Harpoon available from 1972 in the Greek Navy. There in fairness an earlier D212 Gearing marked 1972 which might have been a better choice, but at the very least I think it probably warrants the entry into service date changed, or the Harpoon box removed.

AGP 1176 Graham County was converted sometime between 1970 and 1973 for use as a support ship for PGM 84 Ashville class patrol boats. it would be nice to have this particular variant modeled, because it had some 76mm guns and was fairly defensible compared to other LST's that already have magazines in them.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/16/161176.htm

Ace High Tropographic radio transmitter. There are coms sites in the database, but one without the Satellite link might be good.
https://sites.google.com/site/acehighsy ... gh-network

Apologies if that was a big list. Ive been saving them up.

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

its all by hand not spreadsheet

Is it anything that could be done to ease things up for you?

ORIGINAL: StuartG

The Yak 28 Brewer B and C are listed as having a combat radius of 200 NM. This would put it in the same class as the Su7, and less than half the combat radius of the IL28 which it replaced. There is a report on archive.org called 'Warsaw Pact airpower : Forces for use in central Europe' dated December 1973, which on page 19 suggests it has a combat radius of 450 Nautical miles when carryng weapons, not too much less than the EW and Recce Variants. There are similar estimates on at least one other report from the same period.

Also, please can we have a Soviet variant of Mig23M as it entered service in 1972/1973? I think in that period the main dogfight missile would have been Atoll. R60 didnt enter service till much later. Also, it would likely have had a mix of AA7 in the Radar and IR variants, ie, one each.

Fixed

Ok cool, may thanks for that Sirus. And apologies once for the big list, I was locked out of this thread for about 2 months and I made a list so I wouldn't forget it. I dont want anyone to think im clicking my fingers demanding anything.

I was looking into early Vietnam-era loadouts for the F-105, and I noticed a few that are not currently possible for the F-105Ds (though it would equally make sense for the other versions), and would be highly appreciated!

As per this page (written from first-hand account): http://www.flyingdynasty.com/operation- ... ring-high/


BLU-27 x4 (+ fuel tanks) - weapon currently in DB but not available for F-105 (F-4 only, currently)

CBU-2 x2 (+ fuel tanks) - weapon not currently in DB. Some info on it: http://www.designation-systems.net/usmi ... .html#_CBU
"The CBU-2( )/A anti-personnel/anti-material cluster bomb consisted of BLU-3/B fragmentation bomblets in an SUU-7( )/A dispenser. Known variants include:
CBU-2/A: 360 BLU-3/B in SUU-7/A
CBU-2A/A
CBU-2B/A: 409 BLU-3/B in SUU-7/A
CBU-2C/A
No information about the components of the CBU-2A/A and -2C/A is available."

LAU-19 x2 (plus fuel tanks), rockets only

Hi both problems on the CBU loadouts

I'll assume you meant no problems [:D]

Otherwise, I can also dig up some additional sources [:)]

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmi ... .html#_BLU
This site is generally useful for detail on the various designations. I've been doing lots of research on Vietnam lately, and early on in the war, BLU-1/B, BLU-10/B, BLU-11/B napalm and CBU-1/-2/-3 (in several variants) are ubiquitous , carried by virtually all tactical aircraft, from the South Vietnamese T-28s and A-1s to Thuds and F-100s. Like the older bombs (e.g. M-117s), these were dropped in huge numbers to expend old stocks before dipping into newer "dumb" weapon marks with longer expiry dates. The Mk 77 and the Mk 20 or the CBM-59 APAM that we have now are viable substitute, but they're actually next-generation weapons that displaced the early-model CBUs/BLUs by the 1970s. The early CBUs had higher failure rates for bomblets and canisters; the napalm bombs actually had a higher benzene content and burned more intensely than the Mk 77 (which is not classified as napalm but as a "fire bomb" due to the lower benzene content), but were replaced because napalm as such was much more unstable and hazardous to store/handle.

hi no problems adding them

Sirus,

I wondered if you would consider adding the AP-2 Neptunes that flew over the Ho-Chi Minh Trail in Vietnam? I notice you have the AP-2A version which carried only SIGINT sensors. However there was an additional variant that , two infact, the AP-2G and AP-2H "gunship" version.

So its broadly the same in terms of performance as the AP-2As, therefore I would propose that, thats used as the template for the AP-2G/H, the real diffrence is the weapons and sensors.

The aircraft was modified with the following sensors:

1st Gen LLTV facing forwards.
1st Gen FLIR facing forwards.
2 Starlight Scopes One Mounted Forward
1 Mounted Rear
1 ASP-92 SLAR Radar Pod
1 Automatic Bombing System Equivelant to the A6 Bombing System

A typical TRIM interdiction load out was the following :

Fixed Weapons
2xM60 Machine Guns in a left/right waist position
2x20mm Cannon firing rear
8x 40mm Grenade Launchers firing downwards with 149 rounds
This might be an issue for the game mechanics, therefore I would propose that 1 forward firing launcher is fitted in its place.

Wing Mounted Ordinance:
2 SUU/11 Gunpods
2 Mk.82 Snakeye Bombs
2 Mk.77 Napalm Bombs

You could mix it up and add a few more varied load outs.

I would be more than happy to dig out the relevant database IDs if this helps get the aircraft added.



Regards

Butch

No problems will get to work on it

I did a bit more digging around, this time for A-1 loadouts of the Vietnam war, and discovered quite a number - along with a few weapon types (some unique to the Skyraider, others relevat to other platforms) that are definitely worth introducing. Long post follows [:)]



Weapons
Already in database but not used on the A-1 currently:

#1739 - M30 100lb GPB
#1566 - M57 250lb GPB
#1567 - M64 500lb GPB
#339 - M117 750lb GPB
#1668 - M47 500lb Napalm (NOTE: not sure if it currently makes a difference in the game, but this was in fact a white phosphorus weapon, not napalm per se)
#319 - LAU-3A Hydra 70mm rocket


NEW WEAPONS/TYPES:


"Daisy Cutter" fuse extenders:
It may be useful to include these as versions of standard GPBs (both the M series and the Mk8x series) with better reliability, blast radius, and damage to soft targets (and proportionally less effective on hard targets/not effective on bunker-type targets).


M66 1000lb GPB
(NOTE: there may be an error in the database now - #1569 is listed as 2000lb GPB and currently uses an Mk84 warhead. This is not correct as it should be a Mk83 equivalent instead.)

M1A frag cluster bomb:
"a pre-built cluster of six 20lb fragmentation bomblets banded together in a six-bomb cluster. The M1A was used throughout the [Vietnam] war by A-1s of both services." (Source - Osprey's USAF and VNAF A-1 Skyraider Units of the Vietnam War)
These are literally bundles of 20lb bombs, with no outer casing or dispenser, mounted together on one station (3 in front, 3 behind per station). These disperse as they're dropped and are mostly used against personnel. The total weight of this weapon is about 150lb per station.

Rocket pods: 2.75in
LAU-59 and LAU-68:[/b] 7 x 2.75mm FFAR*
LAU-19: 19 x 2.75mm FFAR* (equivalent to current LAU-3A pod, #319)
* - the 2.75 rockets came in three varieties: HE (as currently in game), WP (white phosphorus, used primarily for target marking but also incendiary), HEAT (anti-tank), Flechette (anti-personnel, ~2500 stamped darts).
"Normally, an entire pod would be loaded with a single type of warhead, rather than having them mixed." (Source - Osprey's USAF and VNAF A-1 Skyraider Units of the Vietnam War) - may be worth introducing these varieties as separate entries as well.

CBUs:
the A-1 had the SUU-14 dispenser designed specifically for it, which was comprised of six 2.75in tubes welded together - so it's often mistaken for a rocket launcher pod based on how it looks. It was used for several CBU types, all in the 250lb weight class.
It was not itself dropped, but the tubes simply opened at the back to release the munitions at low (down to 100ft) altitudes.
CBU variants using it:

CBU-14/A - 250 lb, 132 x BLU-3/B 1.75 lb frag (HE) clusters, anti-personnel, 0.35 lb RDX explosive each. High failure rate, especially in forested environments (needed impact on relatively hard surface to detonate). Replaced by improved CBU-25 in the course of the Vietnam war.
CBU-22/A - 250 lb, 72 x BLU-17/B 1.1 lb white phosphorus (WP) smoke/incendiary clusters. Used primarily for generating smoke screens rather than incendiary effects.
CBU-25/A - 250 lb, 132 x BLU-24/B 1.6 lb frag (HE) clusters, anti-personnel, 0.26 lb Cyclotol explosive each. Designed for Vietnam, detonated between forest canopy and ground - much better reliability and anti-personnel effects than the CBU-14 which it replaced. THE preferred CBU of A-1 crews in Vietnam and carried most commonly.
CBU-57/A - 250 lb, 132 x BLU-69/B 1.6 lb incendiary (WP/napalm?) clusters, anti-personnel/anti-materiel. Similar spherical bomblet to CBU-25, but with damage effects from fire on contact. Better effects than the frag bomblets against soft vehicles rather than personnel.

Chemical (area denial) bomb:
CBU-30 tear gas bomb - 750lb, 1280 x BLU-39/B CS Bomblets in 40 x CDU-12/B cluster adapters, carried in an SUU-13/A dispenser. Non-lethal weapon used for crowd control, and favoured in Vietnam on "Sandy" SAR escort missions to keep enemy personnel from reaching downed airmen in rescue areas. Not sure what the best way to model it with CMANO would be, but if it's possible to make it only affect personnel (and no other target types) that would be reasonable enough.

Napalm:
Overlapping with some of the above, but a few options here:
BLU-1/B - 750 lb napalm bomb, incendiary
BLU-10/B - 500 lb napalm bomb, incendiary
BLU-27/B - 750 lb napalm-B, incendiary (improved version of BLU-1/B, filled with the heavier Napalm-B mixture)
BLU-23/B - 500 lb napalm-B, incendiary (improved version of BLU-10/B, filled with the heavier Napalm-B mixture)

PT1 cluster bombs:
PT1 is a mixture of petroleum oil, magnesium waste, and isobutyl thickener - i.e. similar to napalm but designed to spread and burn through surfaces fast (rather than stick to surfaces and burn for longer, like napalm). Used as filler for incendiary cluster bomblets, and used primarily by low-level night bombing aircraft - these burned much more intensely, and when detonated sprayed out the burning magnesium-petroleum mixture from a "flute" on the side of the ball-shaped bomblet, which also propelled the bomblets themselves around and spread fire through the burst area.
I did not find direct evidence that these were carried by A-1s in Vietnam, but this is plausible. They were definitely used extensively by night-operating A-26s, though were less popular than the even more destructive Thermite "funny bombs" (see below).
(source: FM 3-8 Army Field Manual, 1971 - Chemical Reference Handbook)

M31 - 500lb, 38 x M74 1.3 lb, 2.32 in spherical PT1 bomblets, incendiary
M35 - 750lb, 57 x M74A1 1.3 lb PT1 bomblets (equivalent to M31's load), incendiary


Thermite bombs:
These were the so-called "Funny Bombs", widely used by various night-bombing units (including A-1s), particularly on the Ho Chi Minh trail. It was highly favoured by both A-1 and A-26 night bombers, though was available in relatively limited quantities compared to some of the other weapons.
While not a CBU per se it functioned similarly to them; it was more famously used as a major weapon in the firebombing of Japanese cities in 1945.
These were similar to the PT1 bomblets in their use, but even more volatile. The large, non-spinning canister of thermite grenades tended not to disperse them far before impact, but as they detonated on contact the grenades also tended to propel themselves around a wider area, setting fire to everything they came in contact with, and was effective for destroying all types of soft targets including trucks and wooden buildings.
(source: FM 3-8 Army Field Manual, 1971 - Chemical Reference Handbook; TM-9-1325-200 - Bombs and Bomb Components)

M32 - 500lb-class*, 108 x AN-M50A3 bomblets (grenades), 3.6 lb weight with 0.63lb TH3 (thermite) filler, incendiary
M36 - 750lb-class*, 182 x M126 bomblets (grenades), 3.6 lb weight with 0.63 lb TH3 (thermite) filler, incendiary - this was the primary "funny bomb" used in Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia
* - although classed as 500lb/750lb weapons, these munitions were in fact about 610 and 900lb in actual weight respectively.

A-1 LOADOUTS
These should be applicable to all versions of the A-1, though this is mainly geared to those used in Vietnam.

(changes for existing loadouts)
-change default attack altitude from 12000ft to 1000ft AGL (should be safe for all bombs up to 1000lb) - A-1s did not tend to go this high in their attack phase.

TYPO: loadout #201 is lists first weapon as "Mk81 LDGP" but the loadout actually has 4x Mk82 LDGP.


New Loadouts to Add
No need to add all of these if they seem too much! But if needed, I can post up photo evidence for these configurations having been carried [:)] The A-1 was definitely very flexible loadout-wise, and was almost impossible to overload, while being able to carry virtually any ordnance on any station.

The A-1 had 14 stations for ordnance on the wings, plus a centerline station for the 1200l fuel tank (not used for ordnance), and it was not uncommon to see all of them used up in a loadout. The centerline tank was considered optional if the mission was relatively short-range. The inboard 8 stations could all support weapons in the 750-1000lb range, while I have not seen pictures of anything larger than 500lb (and more typically 250lb) on the outer six stations.

Loadouts below mainly based on photos found in (source: Osprey USAF and VNAF Skyraider Units of the Vietnam War).

(note: I listed the release altitude default as 1000ft for nearly all of them, because for mixed loadouts with low-drag frag bombs, that's the minimum safe altitude to make sure that all weapons in that loadout can be used without the player having to fiddle around with altitudes. I am not sure how the AI actually decides the release altitudes; in actuality, these tended to be much lower for most of the weapons carried by the A-1s. For most napalm bombs, for example, 300-500ft was actually the maximum release altitude, since releasing them higher reduced the napalm 'footprint' on the ground and tended to burn through much of the fuel mix before it hit anything.)

#### CAS/BAI (typical mix, early): M117 GPB, BLU-1/B napalm, CBU-14/A frag cluster
2x M117 750lb GPB, 4x BLU-1B 750lb napalm, 2x CBU-14/A 250lb frag cluster, 1200 liter drop tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (early, heavy): BLU-1/B napalm, BLU-10/B napalm, M47 WP, CBU-14/A frag cluster
2x BLU-1/B 750lb napalm, 2x BLU-10/B 500lb napalm, 4x M47 500lb WP, 6x CBU-14/A 250lb frag cluster, 1200 liter drop tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester


#### CAS/BAI (light bombs, early) M57 GPB, M47 WP
10x M57 250lb GPB, 2x M47 500 lb WP, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (frag dispensers and napalm, early): CBU-14/A frag cluster, BLU-1/B napalm
10x CBU-14/A 250lb frag cluster, 2x BLU-1/B 750lb napalm bomb, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (improved variant of above): CBU-25/A frag cluster, BLU-27/B napalm
10x CBU-25/A 250lb frag cluster, 2x BLU-27/B 750lb napalm bomb, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (similar to above, but reversed roles for weapons stations): CBU-57/B incendiary cluster, M117 (Daisy Cutter) GPB
10x CBU-57/B 250lb incendiary cluster, 2x M117 (Daisy Cutter) 750lb GPB, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (late, heavy): BLU-27/B napalm, BLU-23/B napalm, LAU-3 WP rockets, CBU-25/A frag cluster
2x BLU-27/B 750lb napalm, 2x BLU-23/B 500lb napalm, 4x LAU-3 2.75in x 19 (WP) rockets, 6x CBU-25/A 250lb frag cluster, 1200 liter drop tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (jungle clearing, early): M117 (Daisy Cutter) GPB, M57 (Daisy Cutter) GPB, M1A Frag Cluster
2x M117 (Daisy Cutter) 750lb GPB, 4x M57 (Daisy Cutter) 250LB GPB, 6x M1A Frag Cluster, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (jungle clearing, late): Mk-83 (Daisy Cutter) LDGP, Mk-82 LDGP, CBU-57/A incendiary cluster
2x Mk-83 (Daisy Cutter) 1000lb LDGP, 4x Mk-82 500lb LDGP, 2x CBU-57/A 250lb incendiary cluster, 1200 liter Drop Tank

#### CAS/BAI (mixed weapons, soft targets): BLU-27/B napalm, LAU-19 2.75in rockets, M57 GPB
2x BLU-27/B 750lb napalm, 2x LAU-19 2.75in x 19 rockets (flechette), 10x M57 250lb GPB, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (mixed weapons, soft targets): BLU-27/B napalm, LAU-59 2.75in rockets, M1A frag cluster
4x BLU-27/B 750lb napalm, 4x LAU-59 2.75in x 7 rockets (flechette), 6x M1A frag clusters, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 500ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (light - longer range?): BLU-27/B napalm, CBU-25A frag cluster, 7.62mm Guns
4x BLU-23/B 500lb napalm, 2x CBU-25/A 250lb frag cluster, 2x SUU-11/A 7.62mm Minigun Burst, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional),
Defaults: release alt 500ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (strafing): LAU-19 rockets, M47 WP, 7.62mm Guns
6x LAU-19 2.75in x 19 rockets (HE), 2x M47 500lb WP, 2x SUU-11/A 7.62mm Minigun Burst, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional),

#### CAS/BAI (all-Napalm): BLU-27/B napalm
8x BLU-27/B 750lb napalm bomb, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 500ft, Winchester


#### CAS/BAI (SAR escort, strafing): BLU-23/B napalm, CBU-57/A incendiary cluster, LAU-3 rockets, 7.62 mm Guns
2x BLU-23/B 500lb napalm bomb, 2x CBU-57/A 250lb incendiary cluster, 2x LAU-3 2.75in x19 (HE) rockets, 2x LAU-3 2.75in x19 (flechette) rockets, 2x SUU-11/A 7.62mm Minigun Burst, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (SAR escort, area denial): CBU-30 tear gas, M47 WP
2x CBU-30 750lb tear gas, 12x M47 500lb WP, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester


#### CAS/BAI (night interdiction): M36 thermite bombs, BLU-23/B napalm, LAU-19 rockets, M1A frag cluster
2x M36 750lb thermite bomb, 2x BLU-23/B 500lb napalm, 2x LAU-19 (flechette) x19 2.75in rockets, 2x M1A frag cluster, 2x generic illumination flare, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### CAS/BAI (night interdiction, variant): M36 thermite bombs, BLU-23/B napalm, Mk-82 Daisy Cutter, CBU-57/A incendiary cluster
2x M36 750lb thermite bomb, 2x BLU-23/B 500lb napalm, 2x Mk-82 (Daisy Cutter) LDGP, 2x CBU-57/A 250lb incendiary cluster, 2x generic illumination flare, 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### Land/Naval Strike: M117 GPB, M57 GPB
2x M117 1000lb GPB, 10x M57 250lb GPB, 1200 liter Drop Tank
Defaults: release alt 1000ft, Winchester

#### Land/Naval Strike (low-level, light): Mk-82 Snakeeyes, LAU-59 2.75in rockets
6x Mk-82 Snakeyes, 4x LAU-59 2.75in x 7 rockets (HE), 1200 liter Drop Tank (optional)
Defaults: release alt 500ft, Winchester

Jesus Christ!!! no kitchens sinks I hope, Ill get onto the loadouts in the to do list

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

Jesus Christ!!! no kitchens sinks I hope, Ill get onto the loadouts in the to do list

No kitchen sinks, but they do have water closets... [:D]

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

Jesus Christ!!! no kitchens sinks I hope, Ill get onto the loadouts in the to do list

No kitchen sinks, but they do have water closets... [:D]

No probs I can do that one