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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Only China and Korea made managed to slow this down. What did they do? Quarantine. They found home confinement useless. They test every one. If you have it, or have a fever, you are sent to a fever clinic. No choice. Home confinement has only led to families becoming infected. We are still in denial. Shut everything down. Test everyone. Isolate the sick or infected. China and Korea are doing a fine job of feeding their people and they have far less food resources than we do. What’s your plan? Wait for it to go away? Have the Federal reserve do another rate cut? It’s here and it is spreading at an exponential rate. Harsh measures are in order. Or maybe it’s time for a rude tweet? We have no real plan to slow the infection rate. This is not an economical problem. We need science here. In NY state we have 28 labs ready and fully equipped to start testing. The only thing holding up that testing is the Federal Government needs to approve testing. So far they have refused! 28 labs ready to test and the Federal Government will not approve! This is madness

I know. Take everyone and their families who has the virus and put them in camps surrounded by barbed wire. Take their personal possessions away from them and either destroy those possessions or sterilize them. If they are sterilized, then sell them at local thrift stores since there won't be any new goods going through the distribution system to regular stores.

The people in camps will be allowed to work but won't be fed enough due to corruption as well as the attitude "They are going to die anyway!" Since their personal clothing is now gone and they are in camps, give them all a unique outfit so they can easily be seen if they should leave the camps. Since they are going to die and their bodies may still carry the disease, have large cremation ovens. Since they are going to be cremated, make sure that any gold teeth are removed.

The guards should all have a nice uniform. Maybe a nice black (for mourning) with nice black boots. To show where they work so people will respect them, have a symbol like a skull (to show that they work around death) on their uniform.

To insure that the rest of the population stays in line, how about have check points where police check peoples papers to make sure that they are actually allowed to travel? With corona virus 19 checks as well? With secret police in plain clothes everywhere as well?

Is that what you want?

A little hysterical, no? Oh, and you forgot the part where big GUB-MINT takes you guns away

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Yes, that was exactly my point - that the mortality rates we've seen so far can easily rise if not enough hospital beds are available for those who need them. With good hospital care, it's mostly only the elderly or chronically ill who are dying, but there are many others who are being hospitalized. If a smaller percentage can access good hospital care while sick, their chance of a good outcome will decrease.

Regards,

- Erik

You are, of course, talking about the famous "flatten the curve" chart (see item #1 on the attachment). Of course, the key item on that chart which doesn't get quite as much attention is that it doesn't correlate the two curves - what exactly are the "protective measure" which will drop it down to "healthcare capacity"?

Less widely promulgated is another curve chart (#2) which shows the way a single intervention method ("social distancing") can flatten the curve (and the risks associated with issuing an "all clear").

What remains to be seen is whether other strategies can have a similar effect. Because right now all the really scary forecasts seem to be based on the "no measures" curve.

(Edited for clarity)

This is disturbing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... rc=nl_most

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

Dr. Strangelove would agree with you, from the bottom of a mine shaft.

Here in Spain we are at the rise of the wave. Problem is the pointed by Erik. Mortality isn't high...asuming you have a doctor, a bed at hospital.... but with more ill people than beds... someone got no aid so it's at risk of death, and then is when danger appears.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

This is disturbing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... rc=nl_most

Oh, great! You post a link that wants $29 for the privilege of viewing ... what's your cut? [:'(]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

This is disturbing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... rc=nl_most

Oh, great! You post a link that wants $29 for the privilege of viewing ... what's your cut? [:'(]

Sorry, digital media is getting to be a pain. You can't find a pic anymore without "alamy stock photo" or "Getty images" all over it.

From WHO yesterday, when announcing the upgrade to "pandemic" status: "Of the 118,000 cases reported globally in 114 countries, more than 90 percent of cases are in just four countries, and two of those – China and the Republic of Korea - have significantly declining epidemics." [emphasis added]

This is consistent with the information coming from Johns Hopkins, which we've been posting here regularly. That's good news. China and South Korea have faced the onslaught, handled it, and survived.

*A link to the WHO transcript from 3/11/20: https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/ ... march-2020

Apparently things are a lot worse in Iran than has been reported by them. The Chinese numbers are also screwy, most of their confirmed cases are listed as "recovered". That's just plain nonsense.

WHO, Johns Hopkins, The New York Times, and a host of other outlets are meticulously reporting data from around the world every day, including China. All of them indicate the same info about the number of total cases, deaths, and recoveries in China....but Geoff concludes "that's just plain nonsense."

I'm an optimist without credentials. Geoff is a pessimist without credentials.

[:)]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Apparently things are a lot worse in Iran than has been reported by them. The Chinese numbers are also screwy, most of their confirmed cases are listed as "recovered". That's just plain nonsense.

I think it is possible - the outbreak started in China back around Christmas 2019. Given a couple of months spreading and a couple of months recovering from the illness they should have the majority of infected persons recovered by now.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

WHO, Johns Hopkins, The New York Times, and a host of other outlets are meticulously reporting data from around the world every day, including China. All of them indicate the same info about the number of total cases, deaths, and recoveries in China....but Geoff concludes "that's just plain nonsense."

I'm an optimist without credentials. Geoff is a pessimist without credentials.

[:)]

Well, they are well ahead of us (this from https://www.businessinsider.com/us-coro ... ine-2020-3)


China developed a blood test that looked for specific antibodies produced by the body to fend off the virus. The test worked even for patients in recovery, whereas PCR tests (the kind developed in the US) can only diagnose patients when they're ill.

So it's not nonsense?

Here's the latest Johns Hopkins map, from about 9:30 a.m. today.

It's interesting to scroll back through this thread and see previous Johns Hopkins screengrabs.

A lot of news outlets and others are using this source now. Sometimes, it's slow to load.

Well, the numbers are as good as the reporting. The Washington Post is posting photos of burial pits in Iran that you can see from space. The Satellite photos seem legit so either the photos are wrong or the reporting is wrong. What I will repeat , and none of the sites you list are disputing. The number of cases in the United States is doubling every 3 days. Simple math tells you that we can not sustain that rate. The numbers would reach into the millions by early summer. Either the curve declines or we do.

The curve will decline.

Your immune system fighting back against Covid-19 virus might end up killing you, explained

https://mothership.sg/2020/02/what-happ ... ronavirus/

and from there:

Here’s what coronavirus does to the body
From blood storms to honeycomb lungs, here’s an organ-by-organ look at how COVID-19 harms humans.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... -the-body/

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronav ... eline.html

From 3/4. For those who get dunned for a subscription, here are the headlines:

DEC. 31
Chinese authorities treated dozens of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.
JAN. 11
China reported its first death.
JAN. 20
Other countries, including the United States, confirmed cases.
JAN. 23
Wuhan, a city of more than 11 million, was cut off by Chinese authorities.
JAN. 30
The W.H.O. declared a global health emergency.
JAN. 31
The Trump administration restricted travel from China
FEB. 2
The first coronavirus death was reported outside China.
FEB. 5
A cruise ship in Japan quarantined thousands.
FEB. 7
A Chinese doctor who tried to raise the alarm died.
FEB. 10
The death toll in China surpassed the number SARS killed worldwide.
FEB. 13
There were more than 14,000 new cases in Hubei Province.
FEB. 14
France announces the first coronavirus death in Europe.
FEB. 17
Chinese officials draft legislation to curb the practice of eating wildlife.
FEB. 19
Hundreds leave the quarantined cruise ship.
FEB. 21
A secretive church is linked to outbreak in South Korea.
FEB. 21
The virus appears in Iran from an unknown source.
FEB. 23
Italy sees major surge in coronavirus cases and officials lock down towns.
FEB. 24
The Trump administration asks Congress for $1.25 billion for coronavirus response.
FEB. 24
Iran emerges as a second focus point of the virus.
FEB. 26
Latin America reports its first coronavirus case.
FEB. 28
The number of infections in Europe spike.
FEB. 28
Sub-Saharan Africa records its first infection.
FEB. 29
The United States records its first coronavirus death and announces travel restrictions.
MARCH 3
U.S. officials approve widespread coronavirus testing.

Since the Chinese Lunar New Year, roughly when the virus hit full bore in China, coal consumption (an indicator of economic activity) has dropped 35%, and Auto Sales have dropped 80%. 80%! We didn't see drops like that even in depths of 2008 recession.

Aside from the virus, this is going to be a very bumpy economic ride