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That would suggest that having enemy troops in the hex halts production. Other than that, I have no ideas [some would say "no clues" either].[&:]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

That would suggest that having enemy troops in the hex halts production. Other than that, I have no ideas [some would say "no clues" either].[&:]

I'm about there as well. But that is different than many experienced players have told me. I'm close to asking in Tech with a "no 1EyedJacks" on it. It's just a bit important to the Allies.

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

That would suggest that having enemy troops in the hex halts production. Other than that, I have no ideas [some would say "no clues" either].[&:]

I'm about there as well. But that is different than many experienced players have told me. I'm close to asking in Tech with a "no 1EyedJacks" on it. It's just a bit important to the Allies.

The answer is in .. No "Red October Factory" producing like all mad while the IJ are shooting for you sir! [8D] An interesting game play decision in some respects. Forces the seige situation against the defense for sure .. but I would probably go for more a exponential curve of damage and decreased production modified by die rolls rather than just cut it off completely as the troops reach the city. More for gameplay purposes than any citation of reality ....

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

That would suggest that having enemy troops in the hex halts production. Other than that, I have no ideas [some would say "no clues" either].[&:]

I'm about there as well. But that is different than many experienced players have told me. I'm close to asking in Tech with a "no 1EyedJacks" on it. It's just a bit important to the Allies.

The answer is in .. No "Red October Factory" producing like all mad while the IJ are shooting for you sir! [8D] An interesting game play decision in some respects. Forces the seige situation against the defense for sure .. but I would probably go for more a exponential curve of damage and decreased production modified by die rolls rather than just cut it off completely as the troops reach the city. More for gameplay purposes than any citation of reality ....

My reaction was along the lines of "Crap . . . and so forth." Singers is in a bad place without it. So is Palembang. I wonder if the change happened in the midst of all the debate about fortress Palembangs and refineries throwing off supply? This to me is very different, as WWII saw many cities under siege continue to make significant amounts of war materiel.

But, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'll get hurt at Singers and Palembang, but I can use the info myself, certainly in the mid- and late-war.

I can honestly say that had I known I wouldn't have done anything differently. I still would have built Forts 4, and I still wouldn't have sacrificed many ships to get supply into Singers once the air umbrella was in place and the CAP was dead.

This also explains the outcry of my most recent opponent. [8D] I entered Hong Kong and the industry went to zero. Supply followed quickly. I did not think much of it .. until now ... He was expecting a previous behavior but it had insidously changed ..

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

This also explains the outcry of my most recent opponent. [8D] I entered Hong Kong and the industry went to zero. Supply followed quickly. I did not think much of it .. until now ... He was expecting a previous behavior but it had insidously changed ..

It probably did for me too, but I didn't notice. HK is a goner so fast, and there's so much else to do that week, I don't recall even looking at supply there.

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Singers is in a bad place without it.

All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.

February 6, 1942

"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.

1) A quick, sudden spike in combat aircraft at Palembang, including some with range to reach Singers, includes the first large Aircoibra unit. Uncrated today, it rises as low-altitude CAP and gives Japan what I hope is a rude surprise. With some high-altitude Hurricanes to keep the Zeros elsewhere Aircobra cannons can mess up some bombers. Some bombs fall, but damage is minor.

Afternoon Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
G3M2 Nell x 17

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
B-339D x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

The next raid, with Oscars, gets a bit roughed up as well.

Afternoon Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
B-339D x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 3 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground
B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6

2) Five bombing missions at Singers all target the AF. No CAP, but the AA is stiff here and Japan takes more damage which should result in ops losses. The revelations about supply non-generation might shift the Palembang bombers onto Singers. It's what I would do. Still no evidence he knows I'm sneaking 1000 supply per day into the base.

3) Lots of ASW today but no hits. Japan shoots at S-boat in shallow water in the strait NW of Batavia, but misses. DD attacks I-boat off Sydney. S-boat goes into Johnson and sees Fuso is still in residence. With no sightings of the KB and nearly five healthy BBs at Pearl I'm thinking of a raid. But I also worry that's what he wants and taking down the large surface force in Hawaii is a key step to an invasion. At Pearl a DD TF heading for CONUS to pick up the incoming TF carrying the Americal Division fights off an I-boat as it passes.

The sole loss is AK Castor, part of a 3-ship escorted resupply TF for Midway coming out of Pearl. I hate to lose AKs as they have sweet upgrades later on, but Midway has a small port and is still a front-line base with Johnson's situation, etc. Should run resupply in from CONUS, but I got impatient.

4) Near Mandalay the Chinese bombers, with some AVG escort now, hit LCUs and do minor disruption. About half of AVG is riding P-40s, and they kill two Zeros.

5) The land battle here is shaping up to be interesting. Japan takes vacant Tienshui with 3rd Tank Reg. I have seen a base force in trail. I don't think (map not open) this opens the RR up yet. I have Chinese units maneuvering to the east, seeking to get south of this hex and cut the gray road, combined with Chinese bombing. If the base force gets there I may move 4-5 Chinese corps onto the hex (good roads from Mandalay) and see what I can do to kill some tanks. So far Chittagong supply has not flowed anywhere, but it's still building. Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Singers is in a bad place without it.

All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.

Well, if I had KNOWNNNNN . . . [:)]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.

"Poltergeist". And the quote (by some blonde innocent-looking 5 YO girl) is "They're here..." [:'(]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Singers is in a bad place without it.

All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.

Well, if I had KNOWNNNNN . . . [:)]

Keep forgetting you're getting 1,000 / day in there. That's the ticket.

Supply levels there over the last week? You keeping up with the Joneses?

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...

Yes, that's right! Clog the Japanese tanks' bogey wheels with the entrails of the Chinese! A very clever use of available manpower! [8|]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.

"Poltergeist". And the quote (by some blonde innocent-looking 5 YO girl) is "They're here..." [:'(]

That's why I didn't know it; never saw the whole movie.

Sadly, I believe the actress died as a teen after suffering an intestinal blockage which burst. That my recall at least. A lot of people think it was Drew Barrymore, but she was in "ET."

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.

Well, if I had KNOWNNNNN . . . [:)]

Keep forgetting you're getting 1,000 / day in there. That's the ticket.

Supply levels there over the last week? You keeping up with the Joneses?

Almost exactly, give or take a hundred. Oddly, resources and fuel decreased this turn by single digits. I don't think spoilage is in effect, but I don't want to check the math.

Helps to not be building forts, not flying a thing, and not fighting. Of course, no replacements are flowing either, because I'm below x2.

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...

Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...

Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

[:D] Unlike most sports events, this one rewards the last man on the pile ...

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy



Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...

Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

[:D] Unlike most sports events, this one rewards the last man on the pile ...

And Mao shoots him for not being patriotic and on the bottom.

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.

"Poltergeist". And the quote (by some blonde innocent-looking 5 YO girl) is "They're here..." [:'(]

That's why I didn't know it; never saw the whole movie.

Sadly, I believe the actress died as a teen after suffering an intestinal blockage which burst. That my recall at least. A lot of people think it was Drew Barrymore, but she was in "ET."

I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.

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I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.

Sad.

I was elected student body president in 11th grade adn I'm not proud of it at all.