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Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 1:02 pm**

ORIGINAL: mikkey

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
Maybe this has been addressed...but I just downloaded this beta...been using the most recent patch prior to this. Everytime I open the beta it will NOT open in full screen. I still see the min/full/exit symbols at the top and half of the bottom is cut off (goes outside of my screen) and can't see the base info at the bottom...
If I need to post a screenshot I will...just let me know how.
Thanks.
Beta shortcut contain only -w switch (windowed mode). You can delete -w switch from beta shortcut for full screen mode, or copy switches from normal WitP AE shortcut and beta game will be start with your previous setting. More information about switches contain WhatsNew.pdf in WitP AE folder.

That went right over my head and out my office door....

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 1:10 pm**

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: asdicus

ORIGINAL: michaelm

This is the resource/supply movement between bases for that turn. I don't see that movement.
1 Chungking receives 13 supply from Neikiang (99), store = 70736 req = 5623
1 Mandalay receives 24 supply from Rangoon (99), store = 1052 req = 351
1 Meiktila receives 11 supply from Rangoon (99), store = 737 req = 246
1 Prome receives 100 supply from Rangoon (99), store = 257 req = 53
1 Taung Gyi receives 18 supply from Rangoon (99), store = 770 req = 257
1 Toungoo receives 13 supply from Rangoon (99), store = 800 req = 267
1 Pegu receives 4010 supply from Rangoon (100), store = 20598 req = 3182
2 Magwe receives 500 oil from Rangoon (91), store = 10000 req = 1000
3 Rangoon receives 3000 oil from Magwe (91), store = 7000 req = 1000

The path for resource movement from Rangoon to Chungking can be traced through the rail/road network mainly.
It's length is not affected by any of the beta patches. The only patch change was to extend the supply length for resource movement once every 7 days to go one or two hex to cater for a path tracing hitch.
michaelm thank-you for looking at this. I have gone back over my save games for the last month and I think I have a better example of the growth of supply stocks in china.
The first save is for the 16 May 1942. The second is for the 17 May 1942
Supply stocks changes - Bombay 201k to 175k, Calcutta 134k to 164k, Rangoon 76k to 72k, Chungking 46k to 70k, Changsha 36k to 37k. 16 may save attached
My concern is the increase at Chungking from 46k to 70k. This supply is not coming from within china so it must be coming from burma or india. 24k increase in supply at Chungking in 1 day. Over time this soon adds up.

Here is the resource/supply movement for 16 May
COMBAT EVENTS FOR 03/16/42

ADJUST TASK FORCE MISSIONS
1 Chungking receives 544 supply from Chengtu (98), store = 46645 req = 5637
1 Ichang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2072 req = 660
1 Sinyang receives 1226 supply from Chungking (95), store = 26390 req = 8785
1 Kanhsien receives 149 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2310 req = 739
1 Kukong receives 160 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1548 req = 485
1 Mengtze receives 15 supply from Chungking (97), store = 617 req = 206
1 Nanning receives 341 supply from Chungking (97), store = 3269 req = 1060
1 Nanyang receives 163 supply from Chungking (95), store = 3055 req = 988
1 Siangtan receives 96 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2264 req = 723
1 Tienshui receives 381 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1179 req = 365
1 Pingsiang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2006 req = 638
1 Chungking receives 603 supply from Kunming (97), store = 44240 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 255 supply from Lanchow (95), store = 44495 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 42 supply from Liuchow (97), store = 44537 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanning (97), store = 44623 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanyang (95), store = 44709 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 14 supply from Neikiang (99), store = 44723 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 23750 supply from Pakhoi (95), store = 68473 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Paoshan (95), store = 68511 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 13 supply from Shaoyang (96), store = 68524 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 100 supply from Sian (96), store = 68624 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 91 supply from Siangtan (96), store = 68715 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 80 supply from Tienshui (96), store = 68795 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 956 supply from Tsuyung (97), store = 69751 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Tuyun (98), store = 69789 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 32 supply from Wuchow (95), store = 69821 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 88 supply from Pingsiang (96), store = 69909 req = 5637
2 Chungking receives 1620 fuel from Lanchow (50), store = 4220 req = 1300
2 Chungking receives 65040 resource from Pakhoi (59), store = 178900 req = 17890
2 Chungking receives 8780 fuel from Pakhoi (59), store = 13000 req = 1300
3 Pakhoi receives 53670 resource from Chungking (59), store = 125230 req = 17890
3 Pakhoi receives 9100 fuel from Chungking (59), store = 3900 req = 1300

Pakhoi seems to be main supplier of Chungking.

michaelm thanks again for looking at this. In the example above Pakhoi may be sending supply to Chungking but where is Pakhoi getting the supply from ? I still think that china is drawing large amounts of supply from somewhere outside of china - india and/or burma. However if you think that things are ok or working as designed then that is fine for me. I just play and enjoy the game as it is. If you do want me to post any more save games let me know.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 2:17 pm**

Pretty silly question, i gues but...

What does [ MEM ] signify?

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 2:39 pm**

ORIGINAL: Gormadoc

Pretty silly question, i gues but...

What does [ MEM ] signify?

Hello

I believe, this is a useful hint which person is blamable [;)]:

MEM = michelm
DCB = i think Don Bowen

Omat

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 4:21 pm**

It's good that the wrong part of the Burma Road is now out of the game but I would also like to have the possibility to make the Ledo Road.
Any idea how that could be achieved? Maybe a check in 1945 what bases are held by the Allies and if sufficient(Ledo, Myitkina, Lashio & Paoshan) again some XXX supplies would flow into China.
Also I check if they are held long enough would be fine so that the road doesn't instantly pop out if the bases are conquered in 45 by the Allies.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2011 10:57 pm**

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: Mac Linehan

michaelm -

Strongly suspect that this has been already asked -

Any chance of a global setting for Heavy Industry Off / On?

Am currently the Allies, and using your magical patch to busily turn off HI to save fuel.

Now Gentlemen; if I am off track - and there is a reason to keep HI on as the Allies, please don't hesitate to slap me around.

Mac

HI can be used to produce devices and planes in addition to those produced by any Build Rate on said device/aircraft.

michaelm -

There is so much I do not know. Thank you for the guidance.

Mac

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 12:56 am**

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

It's good that the wrong part of the Burma Road is now out of the game but I would also like to have the possibility to make the Ledo Road.
Any idea how that could be achieved? Maybe a check in 1945 what bases are held by the Allies and if sufficient(Ledo, Myitkina, Lashio & Paoshan) again some XXX supplies would flow into China.
Also I check if they are held long enough would be fine so that the road doesn't instantly pop out if the bases are conquered in 45 by the Allies.

BigDuke66,
dwbradley has a utility that changes the pwhexe file and allows for the building over time of the Alcan highway, Ledo road, Burma-Siam Railroad and Tiddum Roads.

Launch/Switcher Utility 1.0 from Spooky's UV & WITP Fansite http://mathubert.free.fr/index.html

and the update to 1.2 is here

tm.asp?m=2545806&mpage=1&key=�

Enjoy, Daryl

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 5:24 am**

ORIGINAL: asdicus

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: asdicus

michaelm thank-you for looking at this. I have gone back over my save games for the last month and I think I have a better example of the growth of supply stocks in china.
The first save is for the 16 May 1942. The second is for the 17 May 1942
Supply stocks changes - Bombay 201k to 175k, Calcutta 134k to 164k, Rangoon 76k to 72k, Chungking 46k to 70k, Changsha 36k to 37k. 16 may save attached
My concern is the increase at Chungking from 46k to 70k. This supply is not coming from within china so it must be coming from burma or india. 24k increase in supply at Chungking in 1 day. Over time this soon adds up.

Here is the resource/supply movement for 16 May
COMBAT EVENTS FOR 03/16/42

ADJUST TASK FORCE MISSIONS
1 Chungking receives 544 supply from Chengtu (98), store = 46645 req = 5637
1 Ichang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2072 req = 660
1 Sinyang receives 1226 supply from Chungking (95), store = 26390 req = 8785
1 Kanhsien receives 149 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2310 req = 739
1 Kukong receives 160 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1548 req = 485
1 Mengtze receives 15 supply from Chungking (97), store = 617 req = 206
1 Nanning receives 341 supply from Chungking (97), store = 3269 req = 1060
1 Nanyang receives 163 supply from Chungking (95), store = 3055 req = 988
1 Siangtan receives 96 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2264 req = 723
1 Tienshui receives 381 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1179 req = 365
1 Pingsiang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2006 req = 638
1 Chungking receives 603 supply from Kunming (97), store = 44240 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 255 supply from Lanchow (95), store = 44495 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 42 supply from Liuchow (97), store = 44537 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanning (97), store = 44623 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanyang (95), store = 44709 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 14 supply from Neikiang (99), store = 44723 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 23750 supply from Pakhoi (95), store = 68473 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Paoshan (95), store = 68511 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 13 supply from Shaoyang (96), store = 68524 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 100 supply from Sian (96), store = 68624 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 91 supply from Siangtan (96), store = 68715 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 80 supply from Tienshui (96), store = 68795 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 956 supply from Tsuyung (97), store = 69751 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Tuyun (98), store = 69789 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 32 supply from Wuchow (95), store = 69821 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 88 supply from Pingsiang (96), store = 69909 req = 5637
2 Chungking receives 1620 fuel from Lanchow (50), store = 4220 req = 1300
2 Chungking receives 65040 resource from Pakhoi (59), store = 178900 req = 17890
2 Chungking receives 8780 fuel from Pakhoi (59), store = 13000 req = 1300
3 Pakhoi receives 53670 resource from Chungking (59), store = 125230 req = 17890
3 Pakhoi receives 9100 fuel from Chungking (59), store = 3900 req = 1300

Pakhoi seems to be main supplier of Chungking.
michaelm thanks again for looking at this. In the example above Pakhoi may be sending supply to Chungking but where is Pakhoi getting the supply from ? I still think that china is drawing large amounts of supply from somewhere outside of china - india and/or burma. However if you think that things are ok or working as designed then that is fine for me. I just play and enjoy the game as it is. If you do want me to post any more save games let me know.

I had originally in one of the betas put a cap on how much resource/supply moved between bases, thinking that this was reasonable as the supply network must have some sort of limits. However, that then raised complaints about ports not having enough to load.

If you have a save a few turns before, I can try to determin who is supply Pakhoi.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 7:27 am**

I found something strange yesterday (1108m3). All parts of the 1st Burma Division prepared for Pegu but stayed in Rangoon, besides one part being in Moulmein. Moved the last part to Rangoon, unpacked and rebuild and the 1st Burma Division was prepared for Rangoon (~50), not for Pegu.

I didn't keep the saves as its just a fun game against AI and not take serious, but maybe someone else noticed something like that, too.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 7:55 am**

At the base screen there are some switches that make starting/stopping of industry repairs possible. I wonder if there is a way to make similar switches that stop/start repairs of the damaged airfield/port?

Repairs of bases cost supplies, right?
If there is an isolated base, pounded every turn by the enemy bombers, wouldn't the commander rather prohibit repairing the facilities and save the supplies for troops?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 10:18 am**

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: asdicus

ORIGINAL: michaelm

Here is the resource/supply movement for 16 May
COMBAT EVENTS FOR 03/16/42

ADJUST TASK FORCE MISSIONS
1 Chungking receives 544 supply from Chengtu (98), store = 46645 req = 5637
1 Ichang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2072 req = 660
1 Sinyang receives 1226 supply from Chungking (95), store = 26390 req = 8785
1 Kanhsien receives 149 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2310 req = 739
1 Kukong receives 160 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1548 req = 485
1 Mengtze receives 15 supply from Chungking (97), store = 617 req = 206
1 Nanning receives 341 supply from Chungking (97), store = 3269 req = 1060
1 Nanyang receives 163 supply from Chungking (95), store = 3055 req = 988
1 Siangtan receives 96 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2264 req = 723
1 Tienshui receives 381 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1179 req = 365
1 Pingsiang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2006 req = 638
1 Chungking receives 603 supply from Kunming (97), store = 44240 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 255 supply from Lanchow (95), store = 44495 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 42 supply from Liuchow (97), store = 44537 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanning (97), store = 44623 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanyang (95), store = 44709 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 14 supply from Neikiang (99), store = 44723 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 23750 supply from Pakhoi (95), store = 68473 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Paoshan (95), store = 68511 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 13 supply from Shaoyang (96), store = 68524 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 100 supply from Sian (96), store = 68624 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 91 supply from Siangtan (96), store = 68715 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 80 supply from Tienshui (96), store = 68795 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 956 supply from Tsuyung (97), store = 69751 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Tuyun (98), store = 69789 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 32 supply from Wuchow (95), store = 69821 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 88 supply from Pingsiang (96), store = 69909 req = 5637
2 Chungking receives 1620 fuel from Lanchow (50), store = 4220 req = 1300
2 Chungking receives 65040 resource from Pakhoi (59), store = 178900 req = 17890
2 Chungking receives 8780 fuel from Pakhoi (59), store = 13000 req = 1300
3 Pakhoi receives 53670 resource from Chungking (59), store = 125230 req = 17890
3 Pakhoi receives 9100 fuel from Chungking (59), store = 3900 req = 1300

Pakhoi seems to be main supplier of Chungking.
michaelm thanks again for looking at this. In the example above Pakhoi may be sending supply to Chungking but where is Pakhoi getting the supply from ? I still think that china is drawing large amounts of supply from somewhere outside of china - india and/or burma. However if you think that things are ok or working as designed then that is fine for me. I just play and enjoy the game as it is. If you do want me to post any more save games let me know.

I had originally in one of the betas put a cap on how much resource/supply moved between bases, thinking that this was reasonable as the supply network must have some sort of limits. However, that then raised complaints about ports not having enough to load.

If you have a save a few turns before, I can try to determin who is supply Pakhoi.

Michael, is there a setting we mere mortal players can use to get that level of detail on supply/resource movement in our Combat Events file?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 10:20 am**

ORIGINAL: viberpol

At the base screen there are some switches that make starting/stopping of industry repairs possible. I wonder if there is a way to make similar switches that stop/start repairs of the damaged airfield/port?

Repairs of bases cost supplies, right?
If there is an isolated base, pounded every turn by the enemy bombers, wouldn't the commander rather prohibit repairing the facilities and save the supplies for troops?

Viber, repairs of damage to AF/Port at a base do not consume supplies. They do have to be done first, before any additional AF/Port/Fort construction/expansion.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 10:50 am**

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: viberpol

At the base screen there are some switches that make starting/stopping of industry repairs possible. I wonder if there is a way to make similar switches that stop/start repairs of the damaged airfield/port?

Repairs of bases cost supplies, right?
If there is an isolated base, pounded every turn by the enemy bombers, wouldn't the commander rather prohibit repairing the facilities and save the supplies for troops?

Viber, repairs of damage to AF/Port at a base do not consume supplies. They do have to be done first, before any additional AF/Port/Fort construction/expansion.

Ups... Really? [:D] It looks I made a fool of myself...[:(]

So many years I've been playing this magnificient game and I always thought every construction works need supplies... and repair is in a way a construction work, isn't it? [:D] It seemed so logical... [;)]

Every day we learn something new. OK. I'd better say nothing before someone start shouting the game is broken because airfields repair by themselves... [:D]

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 4:12 pm**

Is that really for repairing AF & port? I thought its for industry that's also what the tooltip shows, besides that at the base itself I can't see an option to stop repairs for AF & port only for industry.
I would like to have the option to stop AF & port repairs because they suck up the engineering capability and fortification doesn't go ahead, I see that quite good at Clark Field that base is pounded again & again by planes and despited having a bunch of engineers it just doesn't get going with the construction of fortifications because they are repairing again and again.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2011 7:00 pm**

Repairs of Port/Airfield Service/Airfield Runway require no supplies but do have to be done before base construction (Port/Airfield/Fortifications) can proceed. In WITP I believe those repairs did require supplies (hence the confusion) but they do not in AE.

Repair of the other stuff - factories, etc. is separate and AFAIK takes 1,000 supply to repair 1 point and only 1 point can be repaired per day. You can control repairs of this "other stuff" on the screen for each individual item (click on the icon at the bottom of the screen when the base is selected), or in the screen brought up by the "j" key.

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2011 4:31 am**

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Repairs of Port/Airfield Service/Airfield Runway require no supplies but do have to be done before base construction (Port/Airfield/Fortifications) can proceed. In WITP I believe those repairs did require supplies (hence the confusion) but they do not in AE.

Repair of the other stuff - factories, etc. is separate and AFAIK takes 1,000 supply to repair 1 point and only 1 point can be repaired per day. You can control repairs of this "other stuff" on the screen for each individual item (click on the icon at the bottom of the screen when the base is selected), or in the screen brought up by the "j" key.

base repaires also never used supply in WITP, no idea why this myth held itselve so long and is even carried over to AE. I guess it should use supplies but then you also should have the option to "repair" or "do not repair".

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2011 5:27 am**

I would like to have it no matter if it uses supply or not. When I just hold out on a base there is really no need to repair facilities that aren't and won't be used by me anymore

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2011 7:20 am**

Michaelm some quick feedback from the newest beta patch:

1.) There is a problem with the replacements in combination with splitting a division/rebuilding it. The current delay is deleted/removed when a unit is split/rebuilt. Leads to a possibility to draw more replacement than allowed.

2.) Would it be possible to change the color of the dots for the supply path to lets say yellow ? Black is a little hard to see especially with jungle/mountain hexes.

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2011 11:29 am**

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

I would like to have it no matter if it uses supply or not. When I just hold out on a base there is really no need to repair facilities that aren't and won't be used by me anymore

Pretty significant gameplay rule change you are proposing. Suggest you post it in Main for discussion if you are serious about it. Currently, the patch is WAD with respect to this item.

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 3:52 am**

I wonder if the movement of resources, oil & fuel should be limited like it is for supply for some bases.
Because if the change made to the resource movement a short while ago Pakhoi(my only port left) drew 36920 in a single turn what is almost as much as whole China produces in one turn, pretty overkill I would say.
And even before that I can see some weird fuel movements, Pakhoi has just a level 3 port so 3000 points of fuel are requested, I don't think WITP tries to double that like it does for supplies but despite that I had days where fuel ran over 10k points and that at a base with no heavy industry.

I alos wonder if it wouldn't be better to let the player also set values for resources, oil & fuel like he can do it already for supply, so if he wants something there he simply raises the requested value and waits for the base to draw it.

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