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Taxman66 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:32 pm Sadly, oftentimes what's best for the AI is not what's best for MP.

Duedman wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:51 pm AA is just super weak and Strategic Bombers can "overfly" the intercept range of fighters.
Also 2 German + 1 Italien Stratbombers should wreak havoc vs unupgraded soviet cities and weak russian fighters.
Probably becoming a main tool in cracking a frontline.

In my upcoming YT match we will limit the use of Strategic Bombers to 1 per turn when attacking resources.

But I would like to ask again if it would be possible to correct the 3D counter for Corps Mechanized.
I think it is just an oversight. Currently for Germany "Div (Mechanized)" and "Corps (Mechanized)" both use the Scout Car model. While the vanilla counter for mechanized Infantry is unused.
It is correct for the minors.

That would be of great help!

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OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:56 pm WiE-TRP HOUSE RULES

1) No War Dec of USSR before April 1941 unless USSR mobilization reaches 90%
--- Makes sense

2) No Allied ships may ever use Kiel Canal. Allied land units may land and block.
--- I had no idea Allied ships could use the Kiel Canal. Are you sure?

3) No German attack on Low Countries till April 1940
--- Makes sense

4) Strategic Bombers can only attack a resource 1 time per turn. They may attack 2x
otherwise.
--- Poopers, should be fine with letting them go with two attacks. I always leave 3 German Fighters (sometimes 4) and 4 AA guns covering the entire area while I do Barb. It is more than enough to cover some good ground. I also leave a leader or two to give them bonuses.

5) Finnish units may not enter any land hexes south of Riga-Moscow-Perm line. Finnish unit can enter anywhere in Norway and Sweden.
--- Why? Is their some sort of exploit I am not aware of?

6) No Hungarian units may enter Romania before Barbarossa if German DC 2nd Vienna Award grants Hungary the Romanian part of Transylvania
No Romanian units in Hungary before Barbarossa if German DC 2nd Vienna Award grants Hungary the Romanian part of Transylvania.
--- Makes sense Hungarians hated the Romania. I would amend the rule that no more than 7 Germany units could be within 10 hexes of the Soviet Border when Barb starts. Having the entire German army mass in Romania is a huge advantage and shortens their road to Stalingrad!

7) No Allied 'Scando Gambit' on Oslo, Norway or Copenhagen, Denmark while those
two countries are neutral and or until France falls.
--- Makes sense

8) Special Forces/Marines special rule. Once amphibious landed SF units may reload by finding a port or wait 5 turns from a non port coastal hex.
--- Hmm, not sure what to say on that one

9) No Axis strategic bombing of Liverpool
--- Does not matter the UK convoys auto move (by design) in the next turn and move to Glasgow so it has no effect. However I would allow it because the UK player should protect it with AA and Fighters (which is what I do every game). My suggestion is to remove this rule.

10) No Diplo into Majors
--- This rule is not needed as the mod does not allow you to diplo majors except for Vichy.

11) No Diplo in the Balkans until Barbarossa started. (Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece.)
--- I can understand this, although it would be fun to go back and forth a little.

12) No Allied blocking of Gibraltar travel hexes (can put ships all around them but not right onto them)
--- Yea, I can most definately understand this rule! I been thinking of moving the hexes and having them only visible to the Axis side. The problem is then teaching the AI how to use them which is a pain in the ass.

13) Italian Navy is restricted to the Med until they are at war. Italian transports can go out if they are destined for Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and go straight there while Italy is neutral. No spotting with them.
--- Makes sense

Taxman66 wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:03 am Lothos, I think you misunderstand 4.
Strat Bombers can attack twice, they can't hit the same resource hex twice. Although a 2nd bomber could hit the same resource that the 1st bomber did.

Lothos wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:19 pm Put my recomendations in between

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:56 pm WiE-TRP HOUSE RULES

1) No War Dec of USSR before April 1941 unless USSR mobilization reaches 90%
--- Makes sense

2) No Allied ships may ever use Kiel Canal. Allied land units may land and block.
--- I had no idea Allied ships could use the Kiel Canal. Are you sure?

3) No German attack on Low Countries till April 1940
--- Makes sense

4) Strategic Bombers can only attack a resource 1 time per turn. They may attack 2x
otherwise.
--- Poopers, should be fine with letting them go with two attacks. I always leave 3 German Fighters (sometimes 4) and 4 AA guns covering the entire area while I do Barb. It is more than enough to cover some good ground. I also leave a leader or two to give them bonuses.

5) Finnish units may not enter any land hexes south of Riga-Moscow-Perm line. Finnish unit can enter anywhere in Norway and Sweden.
--- Why? Is their some sort of exploit I am not aware of?

6) No Hungarian units may enter Romania before Barbarossa if German DC 2nd Vienna Award grants Hungary the Romanian part of Transylvania
No Romanian units in Hungary before Barbarossa if German DC 2nd Vienna Award grants Hungary the Romanian part of Transylvania.
--- Makes sense Hungarians hated the Romania. I would amend the rule that no more than 7 Germany units could be within 10 hexes of the Soviet Border when Barb starts. Having the entire German army mass in Romania is a huge advantage and shortens their road to Stalingrad!

7) No Allied 'Scando Gambit' on Oslo, Norway or Copenhagen, Denmark while those
two countries are neutral and or until France falls.
--- Makes sense

8) Special Forces/Marines special rule. Once amphibious landed SF units may reload by finding a port or wait 5 turns from a non port coastal hex.
--- Hmm, not sure what to say on that one

9) No Axis strategic bombing of Liverpool
--- Does not matter the UK convoys auto move (by design) in the next turn and move to Glasgow so it has no effect. However I would allow it because the UK player should protect it with AA and Fighters (which is what I do every game). My suggestion is to remove this rule.

10) No Diplo into Majors
--- This rule is not needed as the mod does not allow you to diplo majors except for Vichy.

11) No Diplo in the Balkans until Barbarossa started. (Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece.)
--- I can understand this, although it would be fun to go back and forth a little.

12) No Allied blocking of Gibraltar travel hexes (can put ships all around them but not right onto them)
--- Yea, I can most definately understand this rule! I been thinking of moving the hexes and having them only visible to the Axis side. The problem is then teaching the AI how to use them which is a pain in the ass.

13) Italian Navy is restricted to the Med until they are at war. Italian transports can go out if they are destined for Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and go straight there while Italy is neutral. No spotting with them.
--- Makes sense

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Taxman66 wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:44 am 11. Maybe exempt Greece and Yugo from the list.
Though to be honest, I don't think Yugo is worth the effort to go after given her force pool make up in TRP.

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:50 am Hello Lothos and anyone else interested.
Well Duedman and I started our production of a new multiplayer series of TRP-WiE. Duedman is happily crushing Poland and I am enjoying rattle-canning his U-boats.

We plan to start airing our episodes daily in early May. We will put up announcement vids with a schedule soon.
Included are example images of the thumbnails we will use, and a screenshot in YT studio as I do editing.

There will be links to each others channels and to the forum here for anyone interested in this excellent mod.
Thought we should give a small peek here.

Cheers
Mike aka 'Old Crow' Balthazor

AshFall wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:32 pm Fiddled around a bit just looking at stuff and noticed something:

Fighters can get ground attack weapons which improve ground attack, I assume thats intended.

This might not be: Tactical and medium bombers do not gain ground attack values from "ground attack weapons", they gain naval attack values from that tech. They -do- get ground attack values from "naval weapons" tech though.

Strat bombers and Mariteme bombers seem to gain the correct attack types from "naval" and "ground" techs respectively.

Might also be significant because Naval weapons go all the way to lvl 5, and ground attack weapons to lvl 4 currently?

AshFall wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:32 pm Fiddled around a bit just looking at stuff and noticed something:

Fighters can get ground attack weapons which improve ground attack, I assume thats intended.

This might not be: Tactical and medium bombers do not gain ground attack values from "ground attack weapons", they gain naval attack values from that tech. They -do- get ground attack values from "naval weapons" tech though.

Strat bombers and Mariteme bombers seem to gain the correct attack types from "naval" and "ground" techs respectively.

Might also be significant because Naval weapons go all the way to lvl 5, and ground attack weapons to lvl 4 currently?

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:43 pm

AshFall wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:32 pm Fiddled around a bit just looking at stuff and noticed something:

Fighters can get ground attack weapons which improve ground attack, I assume thats intended.

This might not be: Tactical and medium bombers do not gain ground attack values from "ground attack weapons", they gain naval attack values from that tech. They -do- get ground attack values from "naval weapons" tech though.

Strat bombers and Mariteme bombers seem to gain the correct attack types from "naval" and "ground" techs respectively.

Might also be significant because Naval weapons go all the way to lvl 5, and ground attack weapons to lvl 4 currently?

What the heck?
I got a MP match going and we are recording.
So Naval Weapons is ground attack and Ground Attack is for Naval?
Jeezus.
I gotta tell my opponent. We are still in late 1939 but this bit may end the whole schmoe if this is correct.
I don't know if either of us is going to want to restart all over again as both hands have been revealed with a few things on both sides.

Lothos wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:52 pm

OldCrowBalthazor wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:43 pm

AshFall wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:32 pm Fiddled around a bit just looking at stuff and noticed something:

Fighters can get ground attack weapons which improve ground attack, I assume thats intended.

This might not be: Tactical and medium bombers do not gain ground attack values from "ground attack weapons", they gain naval attack values from that tech. They -do- get ground attack values from "naval weapons" tech though.

Strat bombers and Mariteme bombers seem to gain the correct attack types from "naval" and "ground" techs respectively.

Might also be significant because Naval weapons go all the way to lvl 5, and ground attack weapons to lvl 4 currently?

What the heck?
I got a MP match going and we are recording.
So Naval Weapons is ground attack and Ground Attack is for Naval?
Jeezus.
I gotta tell my opponent. We are still in late 1939 but this bit may end the whole schmoe if this is correct.
I don't know if either of us is going to want to restart all over again as both hands have been revealed with a few things on both sides.

No, he is wrong. I just looked myself.