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Probing bombardment at Ponape...

Some good dogfights over Shanghai today....Emilys tried a long range naval attack and got shredded pretty well...by P40Es.

We are getting very close to our next forward operation.

Excellent work. Is the HK yard at 50 and Manila at 20 in this mod? You'll have some excellent forward repair yards available soon to go with your ARDs.

Cheers,
CB

CaptBeefheart wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:06 am Excellent work. Is the HK yard at 50 and Manila at 20 in this mod? You'll have some excellent forward repair yards available soon to go with your ARDs.

Cheers,
CB

Yes, 50 and 20, Plus Shanghai and a shipyard conversion along the Yangtze River.

Feb 17th, 1944

Japan launches a counter attack at Shaohing:

Ground combat at Shaohing (91,56)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41462 troops, 588 guns, 594 vehicles, Assault Value = 1313

Defending force 11674 troops, 212 guns, 336 vehicles, Assault Value = 611

Japanese adjusted assault: 705

Allied adjusted defense: 1157

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4261 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 144 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (3 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
168 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 46 (6 destroyed, 40 disabled)

Assaulting units:
14th Division
23rd Division
1st Tank Division
58th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
4th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Australian Division
766th Tank Battalion
111th LRP Bde /2
2/11th Field Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment

A good first attack at Ponape...just missed 3-1. Forts now 5.

Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 17
Vengeance I x 26
P-400 Airacobra x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21
F4U-1 Corsair x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Heavy Industry hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
13 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Weather was good, altitude was relatively low, and AA seemingly not all that present given the damaged bombers. Our pilots are decent so this is kind of disappointing results. I think the weakest aspect was the experience levels of the pilots?

Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
B-24D1 Liberator x 40
B-24J Liberator x 122
B-25D1 Mitchell x 24
B-25G Mitchell x 12
P-400 Airacobra x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 11
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Light Industry hits 23
Heavy Industry hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Interesting oddball ships in this mod....very small but nice.

Lowpe wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:54 am Interesting oddball ships in this mod....very small but nice.

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Those are the fast Banana Boats! Based upon the four piper destroyer, in fact they were converted from them. Some of the bananas were still too ripe so instead of letting them rot, someone turned them into banana cakes aka banana flips!

Lowpe wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:34 am Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55


Vengeance I x 26

Heavy Industry hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
13 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Maybe dive bombers on City Attack are borked? Reminds me of those unbalanced torpedo bombers flying with bombs and scoring hits on moving ships from 15,000 feet.

Yaab wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:33 pm

Lowpe wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:34 am Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55


Vengeance I x 26

Heavy Industry hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
13 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Vengeance I bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Maybe dive bombers on City Attack are borked? Reminds me of those unbalanced torpedo bombers flying with bombs and scoring hits on moving ships from 15,000 feet.

Maybe, but they didn't disable any HI...so if there is a calculation from bomb size to disablements then maybe not.

Lowpe: Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Vengeance DBs carry (at normal range) 2x 500 lb and 2x 250lb bombs. That's 4 chances at a hit vs the 1 chance from an SBD DB. But I think the bigger bomb carried by the US DBs has a better chance of damaging HI. And isn't there a one-turn wait for accurate bomb damage assessment on industry? Recon of the enemy base and all that?

Lowpe wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:54 am Interesting oddball ships in this mod....very small but nice.

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10th USAAF HQ aboard and headed to Foochow ... "look out!" industry in Manchuria and Korea!

EDIT: My bad - I was thinking of Chefoo, practically on Port Arthur's doorstep.

This turn we reconned every port up the Yangtze River.

Lowpe wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:54 pm This turn we reconned every port up the Yangtze River.

For some strange reason, I thought of a colonoscopy and hitting someone where and how they least expect it!

BBfanboy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:25 pm

Lowpe: Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Vengeance DBs carry (at normal range) 2x 500 lb and 2x 250lb bombs. That's 4 chances at a hit vs the 1 chance from an SBD DB. But I think the bigger bomb carried by the US DBs has a better chance of damaging HI. And isn't there a one-turn wait for accurate bomb damage assessment on industry? Recon of the enemy base and all that?

The Vengeance gets more hits per plane than does a B24J with equivalent pilot quality despite the B24J more numerous bombs (10 vs 4).

Lowpe wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:37 pm

BBfanboy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:25 pm

Lowpe: Our divebombers seem to get substantially more hits on industry from level bombing.

Vengeance DBs carry (at normal range) 2x 500 lb and 2x 250lb bombs. That's 4 chances at a hit vs the 1 chance from an SBD DB. But I think the bigger bomb carried by the US DBs has a better chance of damaging HI. And isn't there a one-turn wait for accurate bomb damage assessment on industry? Recon of the enemy base and all that?

The Vengeance gets more hits per plane than does a B24J with equivalent pilot quality despite the B24J more numerous bombs (10 vs 4).

That may be in the code itself with dive bombers being more accurate. However, it may not differentiate between dive bombing and level bombing.

RangerJoe wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:21 pm

Lowpe wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:37 pm

BBfanboy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:25 pm

Vengeance DBs carry (at normal range) 2x 500 lb and 2x 250lb bombs. That's 4 chances at a hit vs the 1 chance from an SBD DB. But I think the bigger bomb carried by the US DBs has a better chance of damaging HI. And isn't there a one-turn wait for accurate bomb damage assessment on industry? Recon of the enemy base and all that?

The Vengeance gets more hits per plane than does a B24J with equivalent pilot quality despite the B24J more numerous bombs (10 vs 4).

That may be in the code itself with dive bombers being more accurate. However, it may not differentiate between dive bombing and level bombing.

Dive bombing is less accurate and and I remember reading posts about level bombing for DB from one of the developers so there is generically a distinction but that might not have made it to the City attack routines.,...divebombing they have to contend with barrage balloons even if at a lesser rate since they are single engine...also more 20mm ackack. Vengeance has radar plus smaller bombs that are more accurate but less damaging I think. Lots of things to consider...