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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:10 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: afspret
Came across this ship a little while ago and wonder if its the game (can't check now 'cause I'm @ work)?
HMAS Doomba (ex HMS Wexford, a RN Hunt class MSW, commissioned in 1919)
Not in stock-AE. Many 'marginal' ships were intentionally left out - a time and materials kinda thing.
There is hope however. Don Bowen has sparked development of a mod we call Don's Babies (les bebes, for the francophiles amongst you) that drills down to trawlers, self-propelled fuel barges and the cut-down Wickes type banana-boat/blockade runners, like Teapa. Pretty sure Doomba is in the box, along with net tenders like Kangaroo.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:55 am
by TIMJOT
Not sure there is a reason for this but just noticed that the USS Vestal starts the game with looks like a 1943 AA upgrade. 40mm bofors and 20mm oerlikons. The Medusa also starts with 20mm's.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:04 pm
by Herrbear
ORIGINAL: afspret
Came across this ship a little while ago and wonder if its the game (can't check now 'cause I'm @ work)?
HMAS Doomba (ex HMS Wexford, a RN Hunt class MSW, commissioned in 1919)
1921: sold to an Aussy shipping company and used as a cruise ship
04/09/39: requisitioned by RAN and rebuilt as a MSW
06/42: re-classified as an ASW ship (or as an AA ship according to Wiki)
03/13/46: decommissioned by RAN
Armament in RAN service: 1x4in, 1x40mm, 1x20mm, 2 ea Vickers & Lewis mgs, 51 depth charges (unknown if DCTs or racks).
Speed was rated @ 16kts
Has a similar, but not exactly the same profile as HMAS Moresby.
Wiki doesn't say much about its service, but considering it was requisitioned by the RAN in Oz, I'm guessing it spent its entire service with the RAN in and/or around Aussy waters.
Doesn't seem to be in the game.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:15 am
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: Herrbear
ORIGINAL: afspret
Came across this ship a little while ago and wonder if its the game (can't check now 'cause I'm @ work)?
HMAS Doomba (ex HMS Wexford, a RN Hunt class MSW, commissioned in 1919)
1921: sold to an Aussy shipping company and used as a cruise ship
04/09/39: requisitioned by RAN and rebuilt as a MSW
06/42: re-classified as an ASW ship (or as an AA ship according to Wiki)
03/13/46: decommissioned by RAN
Armament in RAN service: 1x4in, 1x40mm, 1x20mm, 2 ea Vickers & Lewis mgs, 51 depth charges (unknown if DCTs or racks).
Speed was rated @ 16kts
Has a similar, but not exactly the same profile as HMAS Moresby.
Wiki doesn't say much about its service, but considering it was requisitioned by the RAN in Oz, I'm guessing it spent its entire service with the RAN in and/or around Aussy waters.
Doesn't seem to be in the game.
Brum, see the last JWE Post above.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:40 am
by Buck Beach
For your consideration, in reading about the air attack on Dutch Harbor 6/3 & 6/4/42 (
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/Ale ... ans-1.html) , the following ships were there along with several others already listed in the game OOB:
USS Gillis AVD-12
Morlen (army transport)
Also there was one of da babies USCG Onondaga
In the same series of stories it reflects the USS Thornton AVD-11, that I also could not find in the game.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:10 am
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
For your consideration, in reading about the air attack on Dutch Harbor 6/3 & 6/4/42 (
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/Ale ... ans-1.html) , the following ships were there along with several others already listed in the game OOB:
USS Gillis AVD-12
Morlen (army transport)
Also there was one of da babies USCG Onondaga
In the same series of stories it reflects the USS Thornton AVD-11, that I also could not find in the game.
All in Da Babies.
Thornton's absence in AE was an oversight; a rather odd one, since she was at PH and was credited with whacking a plane. Will try to fix.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:42 pm
by Buck Beach
I have just come across a new site (to me) that appears to be a rich resource for the merchant ships we discover in our readings that were in the Pacific theater but not in our game. This may be very useful in creating "da babies" mod.
http://www.armed-guard.com/
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:17 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
I have just come across a new site (to me) that appears to be a rich resource for the merchant ships we discover in our readings that were in the Pacific theater but not in our game. This may be very useful in creating "da babies" mod.
http://www.armed-guard.com/
Nice site, Buck. Thank you.
Merchies (especially Brit and CW merchies) are like girlfriends; here for a while today, gone somewhere else tomorrow. Having people keep track of another thousand or so withdrawals, returns, etc would probably get them upset.
For AE, we tried to keep Kosher with the important or interesting ones that existed on opening day, but many the actual names are an abstract jumble. We tried very hard to have the size and age percentages work out, and also tried to have most of the names match up with their respective class groupings. But if "A" isn't in game, there will be a corresponding "B", that works just as well. Just one of those things we gots to live with. [;)]
Maritime Commission construction, of course, is as accurate as we can make it, especially in Da Babies. [;)]
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:25 pm
by Buck Beach
There is something that is bugging me that I am sure you have considered, but, I would like to know how you approach it. The game has umpteen ships set to random captains with very many ships in the merchant fleet (or Army vessels) where the captains would be a ship's master and not a "line" officer (I can hear the anti-micromanagement fan boys yelling "Noooooooooooo!!!!). How do you (the game) keep the good combat line officers from being selected from running a cargo or tanker ship (or a minor warship for that matter)? Ideally, there should be a separate categories of Leader just for these ships, but, that would require more work than I think anybody would want to do. So what's your secret to keep Bull Halsey from being the master of a C2 Cargo ship? Is there something a moder can do?
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:34 pm
by stuman
ORIGINAL: JWE
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
I have just come across a new site (to me) that appears to be a rich resource for the merchant ships we discover in our readings that were in the Pacific theater but not in our game. This may be very useful in creating "da babies" mod.
http://www.armed-guard.com/
Nice site, Buck. Thank you.
Merchies (especially Brit and CW merchies) are like girlfriends; here for a while today, gone somewhere else tomorrow. Having people keep track of another thousand or so withdrawals, returns, etc would probably get them upset.
For AE, we tried to keep Kosher with the important or interesting ones that existed on opening day, but many the actual names are an abstract jumble. We tried very hard to have the size and age percentages work out, and also tried to have most of the names match up with their respective class groupings. But if "A" isn't in game, there will be a corresponding "B", that works just as well. Just one of those things we gots to live with. [;)]
Maritime Commission construction, of course, is as accurate as we can make it, especially in Da Babies. [;)]
Wait a minute. Are you implying that we do not have listed in game every last possible ship that ever floated in the Pacific Ocean from Dec 1941 through May 1946 ? Omg, the game is broken, it is unplayable !
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:33 pm
by Buck Beach
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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:52 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
There is something that is bugging me that I am sure you have considered, but, I would like to know how you approach it. The game has umpteen ships set to random captains with very many ships in the merchant fleet (or Army vessels) where the captains would be a ship's master and not a "line" officer (I can hear the anti-micromanagement fan boys yelling "Noooooooooooo!!!!). How do you (the game) keep the good combat line officers from being selected from running a cargo or tanker ship (or a minor warship for that matter)?
It's hard to keep this from happening. The assignment code "tries" to be rank conscious, and "tries" to fit aggressive leaders to larger warships, but it sometimes has a mind of its own.
Ideally, there should be a separate categories of Leader just for these ships, but, that would require more work than I think anybody would want to do.
Yes, we discussed it, but it would take more work than anyone was prepared to do; and what would happen if a merchie, with a Master, got snagged and converted to a Naval auxiliary, requiring a Naval officer in command. Woof!
So what's your secret to keep Bull Halsey from being the master of a C2 Cargo ship?
Assign him to something important very early.
Is there something a moder can do?
Unfortunately, no.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:03 pm
by Richard III
This seems to be the only place to post this interface question, if not feel free to move it.
Is it possible to restore the WITP Start Up Menue " yes or no Historic Sub Opps " switch for the Japanese in AE and implement that in the AI ?
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:47 pm
by Sonny II
No.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:57 pm
by Richard III
Thanks.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:23 am
by Anonymous
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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:02 pm
by Buck Beach
Whoa now!!!! You guys have made the Erie Class PG's (790 & 791) tough little cookies. Their Durability is at 9 (more than the DDS of the period) with a Belt Armor of 90 (greater than the CLs and some CAs) and the are armed with some kick ass guns. I sure want more of these little fellas around![:D][:D]
Well I have shown my ignorance again, looks like she did carry the big sticks (6"ers). Did she really have that kind of Armor and Durability?
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:21 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Whoa now!!!! You guys have made the Erie Class PG's (790 & 791) tough little cookies. Their Durability is at 9 (more than the DDS of the period) with a Belt Armor of 90 (greater than the CLs and some CAs) and the are armed with some kick ass guns. I sure want more of these little fellas around![:D][:D]
Well I have shown my ignorance again, looks like she did carry the big sticks (6"ers). Did she really have that kind of Armor and Durability?
Hey Buck those rum runners didn't mess around - called for serious firepower! [:D]
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:36 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Whoa now!!!! You guys have made the Erie Class PG's (790 & 791) tough little cookies. Their Durability is at 9 (more than the DDS of the period) with a Belt Armor of 90 (greater than the CLs and some CAs) and the are armed with some kick ass guns. I sure want more of these little fellas around![:D][:D]
Well I have shown my ignorance again, looks like she did carry the big sticks (6"ers). Did she really have that kind of Armor and Durability?
Hey Buck those rum runners didn't mess around - called for serious firepower! [:D]
Durn tootin. Needed some kick ass naval rifles to keep those guys at a distance so they couldn't breathe on you. [:D]
Armor is not right - don't know where that came from - maybe a cut & paste artifact. Will try to fix.
She did displace more than a Benson or Benham, and 9 is 'technically' right from the math, but, yeah, 8 would probably be better. Will try to fix that too.
RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:37 pm
by herwin
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Whoa now!!!! You guys have made the Erie Class PG's (790 & 791) tough little cookies. Their Durability is at 9 (more than the DDS of the period) with a Belt Armor of 90 (greater than the CLs and some CAs) and the are armed with some kick ass guns. I sure want more of these little fellas around![:D][:D]
Well I have shown my ignorance again, looks like she did carry the big sticks (6"ers). Did she really have that kind of Armor and Durability?
Hey Buck those rum runners didn't mess around - called for serious firepower! [:D]
They did have a 3.5" belt, and 12400 SHP. The design was the basis for the Treasury cutters.