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RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:57 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Unfortunately taking even losses with the enemy at a 3:1 advantage is a losing proposition. It won't be long now before the allied forces are expelled from PH.
I agree. However, in fighting the superior IJA forces to a bloody standstill for many months, the Allies have effectively engaged in an attritional battle that they are better equipped to recover from. Provided, of course, that the Allied forces aren't liquidated
in situ, that is.
So-how about that airdrop on Corruna Downs to open up that retreat route?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:15 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Unfortunately taking even losses with the enemy at a 3:1 advantage is a losing proposition. It won't be long now before the allied forces are expelled from PH.
That is what I thought 3 and 2 weeks ago. [;)]
Unfortunately, you may be right. Furthermore, there will be no "expelling" as we still don't have an exit hexside. There will just be lots of surrendering.
We can have the air effort shift exclusively to PH today with about 90% of the bombers targeted on the ground troops. I was trying to avoid the disaster of the airfield becoming active again.
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:18 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Unfortunately taking even losses with the enemy at a 3:1 advantage is a losing proposition. It won't be long now before the allied forces are expelled from PH.
I agree. However, in fighting the superior IJA forces to a bloody standstill for many months, the Allies have effectively engaged in an attritional battle that they are better equipped to recover from. Provided, of course, that the Allied forces aren't liquidated
in situ, that is.
So-how about that airdrop on Corruna Downs to open up that retreat route?
I concur on the air drop thingy. JJ has moved the SNLF and the troops there are getting beat up by the Beauforts from Carnarvon.
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:25 pm
by witpqs
How far away is the armored column?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:30 pm
by Alfred
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Unfortunately taking even losses with the enemy at a 3:1 advantage is a losing proposition. It won't be long now before the allied forces are expelled from PH.
... Unfortunately, you may be right. Furthermore, there will be no "expelling" as we still don't have an exit hexside. There will just be lots of surrendering...
You only need a single squad to enter Port Hedland to give you control of that hexside. Therefore why don't you just create a really small amphibious or landing craft TF to carrying a small enough fragment which can only in a single phase directly land onto the land desert hex to the left of Port Hedland, and then march due east into Port Hedland. As you own Exmouth, that should allow you to trace a supply path from Port Hedland back to Exmouth, and allow you to get some small amount of overland supply into Port hedland but more importantly allow for a retreat rather than an outright surrender.
Alfred
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:59 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Unfortunately taking even losses with the enemy at a 3:1 advantage is a losing proposition. It won't be long now before the allied forces are expelled from PH.
... Unfortunately, you may be right. Furthermore, there will be no "expelling" as we still don't have an exit hexside. There will just be lots of surrendering...
You only need a single squad to enter Port Hedland to give you control of that hexside. Therefore why don't you just create a really small amphibious or landing craft TF to carrying a small enough fragment which can only in a single phase directly land onto the land desert hex to the left of Port Hedland, and then march due east into Port Hedland. As you own Exmouth, that should allow you to trace a supply path from Port Hedland back to Exmouth, and allow you to get some small amount of overland supply into Port hedland but more importantly allow for a retreat rather than an outright surrender.
Alfred
Yes, this is an obvious solution, but I was afraid we may have had a house rule about that (non dot hex landings).
Admiral Lord Sprior, do you recall?
We have some up-armored sorghum harvesters driving up from Meekathara on the magic mushroom trail. We have a batallion or so of Br. 2nd Div marching overland from Exmouth and some Wolverines (the tank destroyers not the comic book characters) driving overland from Exmouth.
Everything is at least a week away.
I suspect Admiral Lord Sprior has the Aussie paras dedicated to the operation at Darwin, but I'm not sure.
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:06 pm
by sprior
Admiral Lord Sprior, do you recall?
Yes, I think we said no non-dot base invasions
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:07 pm
by sprior
Everything is at least a week away.
Yes but we do have LooBs for all the majot combat formations so if the worst comes to the worst we can rebuild them
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:07 pm
by sprior
Admiral Lord Sprior has the Aussie paras dedicated to the operation at Darwin
Am I running that op too?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:08 pm
by Alfred
Well isn't the usual justification for outlawing a non base landing is to force the invaders to run the gamut of the enemy CD guns. You have already faced that problem of landing in the teeth of the enemy defences.
Couldn't you just claim that the 3 squads you land to the left merely lost their way during the night and mistook that beach for the beach at Port Hedland? Its not as if you are landing a big enough force which can itself march in and capture Port Hedland.
Alfred
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:23 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Alfred
Well isn't the usual justification for outlawing a non base landing is to force the invaders to run the gamut of the enemy CD guns. You have already faced that problem of landing in the teeth of the enemy defences.
Couldn't you just claim that the 3 squads you land to the left merely lost their way during the night and mistook that beach for the beach at Port Hedland? Its not as if you are landing a big enough force which can itself march in and capture Port Hedland.
Alfred
It still sounds gamey to me. Having the HR not only forces you to brave the CD guns but you have to enter a lions' den where there is no exit - you prevail or else. It forces the attacker to consider whether he is risking losing the whole shooting match if he lands there.
And as the Lord Admiral has indicated, they kept back a couple of quartermasters to rebuild if the lions dine well. [:D]
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:27 pm
by witpqs
I dislike that house rule as the action is not gamey. But - if you have the house rule then it would be gamey to do it.
Bomb and bombard the snot out of them until the armor arrives. [:)]
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:52 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
Admiral Lord Sprior has the Aussie paras dedicated to the operation at Darwin
Am I running that op too?
[:D]
Well, the Plenary Committee isn't done deliberating yet? [:)]
Let's see...over half of the Darwin amphibious force is Aussie. The overland component is British and Aussie. The Marines and naval support are SouPac. Most of the ships are USN. It is another all-in thing.
Shall I do the amphib and you do the overland attack?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:42 pm
by sprior
Assaulting units:
4th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Division
56th Recon Regiment
65th Brigade
24th Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
77th Infantry Regiment
66th Infantry Group
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /2
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
22nd Air Flotilla
30th Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
16th Army
51st JNAF AF Unit
Have I missed something or does this list keep growing?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:43 pm
by sprior
Shall I do the amphib and you do the overland attack?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Shall I take over driving the crabs, both domestic and foreign?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:46 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: sprior
Assaulting units:
4th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Division
56th Recon Regiment
65th Brigade
24th Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
77th Infantry Regiment
66th Infantry Group
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /2
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
22nd Air Flotilla
30th Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
16th Army
51st JNAF AF Unit
Have I missed something or does this list keep growing?
It's likely. Yes. Two answers. [:'(]
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:01 pm
by sprior
More heckling from the cheap seats. The price we artistes have to pay.
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:31 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
Assaulting units:
4th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Division
56th Recon Regiment
65th Brigade
24th Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
77th Infantry Regiment
66th Infantry Group
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /2
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
22nd Air Flotilla
30th Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
16th Army
51st JNAF AF Unit
Have I missed something or does this list keep growing?
66th Inf Group was present at the last attack but I think there is at least one more infantry regiment. There are now 3 full infantry division equivalents plus two brigade-sized infantry units plus Engineers, Recon and Arty.
I think the Little Yellow Bastards are marching in from Broome. Smaller units may have arrived from Corrunna
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:36 pm
by Itdepends
Unlikely they're marching in from Broome as the rough desert on the coast between PH and Broome takes a looooong time to march through. It's faster to detour south where you only have to deal with 1 hex of rough desert to go through.
Could they be airlifting troops in?
RE: With the Wren Detachment
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:36 pm
by sprior
Yesterday's naval losses:
