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ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: JeffK

But that approach opens up a lot of potential sites which weren't used IRL.

I thought that was exactly the idea? Real life sites that could have been used, whether they were used or not? But because they (realistically) could have been used it becomes theplayer's choice to use them or not. [:)]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: JeffK

But that approach opens up a lot of potential sites which weren't used IRL.

I thought that was exactly the idea? Real life sites that could have been used, whether they were used or not? But because they (realistically) could have been used it becomes theplayer's choice to use them or not. [:)]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

OK,

But that approach opens up a lot of potential sites which weren't used IRL.

My reading is that the original reinforcement unit (of less than company size) went by lugger to Terapo, by canoe up to the headwaters then by narrow track to the Wau/Bululo area. All following reos went in by air.
(I recently read "The Battle for Wau", a great coverage of a very little known area of WW2 but at $70AUD grossly overpriced.)

But, as always, if I dont like it I can change it later. [8D]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Oooh,

http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/058678

Maybe it rates as a L1 port, and it did have an emergency landing field (like a hundred other places)

(Maybe I'd be less concerned if it was in another location, but it becomes a backdoor into PNG & somewhere to outflank Pt Moresby. Just have to wait to see how its used.)

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
Currently Australia has two refineries in the AE (Melbourne and Sydney). But this is still under review. Andrew Brown could tell you more.

It has been brought to my attention that the Melbourne refinery (COR) was not in use during the war, so the only "refinery" in Australia will be a tiny refinery centre in Sydney representing the shale oil plants in NSW. Total output a massive 40 fuel/supply points per day.

Australia needs shipments of fuel, a lot of which is available in the Middle East.

Andrew

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Andy's spies appear to be correct

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/second_ ... elID=67920
Chapter 10

The only two refineries operating in Australia at the outbreak of war
were the Shell Company of Australia's plant at Clyde, New South Wales ,
and that of the Commonwealth Oil Refinery at Laverton, Victoria. Between
them they possessed the capacity for refining about 20 per cent of
the petroleum products consumed in Australia in peace time . Both plants
were closed for most of the war : the Shell Refinery from February 1942
(after Borneo, whence it drew its supplies, fell to the Japanese) to March
1946, and the C .O.R. from March 1942 to November 1946. Another
reason for the inactivity of these refineries was that there was, in Allied
countries, a much greater shortage of crude oil tankers than of refining
capacity. For this reason the Commonwealth Oil Board took the view
that the substantial storage tanks at the local refineries would be better
employed for holding refined rather than crude oil.

But if we are talking potential, they were there if you ship in Oil, but its probably more efficient to ship Fuel

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Andy's spies appear to be correct

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/second_ ... elID=67920
Chapter 10

The only two refineries operating in Australia at the outbreak of war
were the Shell Company of Australia's plant at Clyde, New South Wales ,
and that of the Commonwealth Oil Refinery at Laverton, Victoria. Between
them they possessed the capacity for refining about 20 per cent of
the petroleum products consumed in Australia in peace time . Both plants
were closed for most of the war : the Shell Refinery from February 1942
(after Borneo, whence it drew its supplies, fell to the Japanese) to March
1946, and the C .O.R. from March 1942 to November 1946. Another
reason for the inactivity of these refineries was that there was, in Allied
countries, a much greater shortage of crude oil tankers than of refining
capacity. For this reason the Commonwealth Oil Board took the view
that the substantial storage tanks at the local refineries would be better
employed for holding refined rather than crude oil.

But if we are talking potential, they were there if you ship in Oil, but its probably more efficient to ship Fuel

Tanks JeffK that is very, very interesting. So their closure during the war may have been more to do with lack of crude oil, than a technical difficulty. I will have to have a look at the references you have provided - I haven't come across them before.

Andrew

ORIGINAL: Jorm

Hey Andrew,

If its not too painful , is it possible to get an idea of japanese refining capacity and syn. fuel production capacity ?.

 Base              Oil     Refineries
 Akita              32             40
 Asahikawa           5	
 Fukuoka            12             10
 Iwaki                             10
 Kurume             10	
 Muroran             5	
 Nagoya              5	
 Niigata            14             50
 Osaka/Kyoto                      200
 Sapporo             5	
 Shimonoseki        16            160
 Tokuyama            5              5
 Tokyo               5            200
 Wakayama                          50
 Yokohama/Yokosuka                150
 Yamagata           12             20
 

is it possible for the retreating allies to destroy/damage resources / refineries etc ?

Also i note we have a few melbournites, we should try for a Witp drinks session again one day like we did years ago with raverdave and cobra