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RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:02 am
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
My best guess is to say it never really reached Cuomo, a decision was made down the line probably to save money as nursing homes cost less than hospitals.
You probably could count on one hand the state administered nursing homes that could safely handle positive covid patients.
Harry S Truman had a sign on his desk "The buck stops here" and maybe some people need to remember that.
warspite1
I think that is very unfair. To blame a dead ex-President for the problems with New York nursing homes is wrong and I'm sure Mr Truman didn't mean to imply he would take responsibility for that......
Thank you for the injection of levity.
Very well done sir. [:D]
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:06 am
by Lowpe
Australia fears suicide spike due to virus shutdown
Thousands of Australians are expected to take their own lives because of the financial and psychological stress of the coronavirus crisis, far outstripping the death toll from the disease itself, experts warned Thursday.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200507-au ... s-shutdown
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Another news article about a model. "Experts."
I am so dubious of models, polls, and experts.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:06 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
My best guess is to say it never really reached Cuomo, a decision was made down the line probably to save money as nursing homes cost less than hospitals.
You probably could count on one hand the state administered nursing homes that could safely handle positive covid patients.
Harry S Truman had a sign on his desk "The buck stops here" and maybe some people need to remember that.
warspite1
I think that is very unfair. To blame a dead ex-President for the problems with New York nursing homes is wrong and I'm sure Mr Truman didn't mean to imply he would take responsibility for that......
I am not blaming an ex-President for the problems with the New York nursing homes. I am blaming the Chief Executive officer of the New York state administration. You appear to misunderstand the meaning behind "The Buck Stops Here."
For those of you who are history freaks, you know that President Harry S. Truman had a sign on his desk that read: “The Buck Stops Here.” It meant he accepted accountability for all the decisions of his administration. Truman’s stand exists in organizations today but, unfortunately, as the exception rather than the rule.
In Brandon Hall Group’s 2014 State of Performance Management Survey, 34% of global organizations said that executives do not hold leaders accountable for performance. In our 2014 State of Talent Management Survey, results showed that 39% plan to increase or significantly increase their focus next year on holding managers accountable.
Without accountability, even the most brilliant, hard-working, well-intentioned leaders fail – they fail to meet their performance goals, they fail to develop their teams, they fail to hire top talent, they fail to coach their employees, they fail to communicate clearly, they fail to optimize performance, and they fail the business overall. Effective leadership requires real accountability.
What Is Accountability?
When leaders take personal accountability, they are willing to answer for the outcomes of their choices, their behaviors, and their actions in all situations in which they are involved. Accountable leaders do not blame others when things go topsy-turvy. Rather, they make things right – they are fixers. Accountable leaders build an accurate understanding of their organization – where it excels and where it has opportunity. Accountable leaders step up to champion opportunities to succeed. Accountable leaders question the decisions and processes that shape your organization. They ask questions and they find answers – the best answers.
Accountability goes beyond individual actions and decisions. Accountable leaders assume ownership for the performance of their teams – just like Truman assumed accountability for the performance of his administration.
There is more here:
http://www.brandonhall.com/blogs/the-bu ... eadership/
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:23 am
by Lowpe
Uber layoffs, following Lyft, Airbnb, add to SF economic pain
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/ar ... 250731.php
I just can't for the life of me see how this ends well. If your 50+ I suspect the odds of you taking a permanent paycut for the rest of your working life is pretty high. Your ability to start your own business in this new operating environment pretty low unless it is focused on exploiting the new lockdown which will in turn create a vicious unproductive circle that feeds upon itself.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:36 am
by obvert
Here are the testing numbers by percentage positive from today. More updates which helps. The UK again down about a half percentage point, the US by almost that much.
Span still hovering at 12.4%, just above the 10% guideline for reopening. Italy dropping to 9.3%, which is positive. No rise so far from Germany as they begin tentative re-opening (6.0%), or Denmark (3.5%). Sweden is slightly down at 15.6%. The Netherlands a bit down but still up at 17%. Belgium at 18.6%. France hasn't reported in a while.

RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:44 am
by Lowpe
Coronavirus Update: Supreme Court Denies Pennsylvania Businesses' Bid To Reopen
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-upd ... en-2971742
just a couple of notes from a native Pennsylvania ex-small business owner:
1. The state govt had a secret decision making review board to decide which were essential life support and could stay open. That decision making is secret. Funny how Gov Wolfe's former cabinet making business was considered essential.
2. The lockdown in PA started when the death toll was under 200 people I believe. PA has a population 20% greater than Sweden, and has slightly more deaths attributed to Covid. 3106 to 2941.
3. There would be no way I would put my assets at risk starting a new business in this environment. The risk reward ratio of starting a business is high to begin with, but future shutdowns seem a foregone conclusion. I am not sure where funding for business startups is going to come from and how it is going to migrate. Crowd funding is not applicable for a lot of startups.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:48 am
by MakeeLearn
AP Exclusive: Admin shelves CDC guide to reopening country
6 hrs ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
"White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany echoed that at a briefing Wednesday. "We’ve consulted individually with states, but as I said, it’s (a) governor-led effort. It’s a state-led effort on ... which the federal government will consult. And we do so each and every day.”
The rejected reopening guidance was described by one of the federal officials as a touchstone document that was to be used as a blueprint for other groups inside the CDC who are creating the same type of instructional materials for other facilities."
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:56 am
by MakeeLearn
Coronavirus and Other Causes Driving Surge in US Deaths
April 30, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... eaths.html
"NEW YORK — The U.S. has seen at least 66,000 more deaths than usual so far this year, according to government data, and the new coronavirus accounts for much — but not all — of the increase.
Usually the nation sees about 1 million deaths by the end of April, meaning the rise is in the neighborhood of 7%. "
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the data this week, found the new coronavirus was reported as a cause in about half the excess deaths. It’s likely the virus was a factor in many other deaths too, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC’s death statistics work."
"Medical examiners say drug overdoses, falls and certain types of accidents around the house may be up. Experts also believe at least some of the excess deaths may have been people with heart problems or other conditions who decided not to go to a hospital because of concerns they were filled with coronavirus-infected people."
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:02 am
by MakeeLearn
"Coronavirus Statistics: Tracking The Epidemic In New York"
May 6, 2020
https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus- ... c-new-york
"Each day the New York City Department of Health releases demographic data on COVID-19 deaths.
The majority of those who die of COVID are aged 65+ and/or those with pre-existing health conditions, which the DOH defines as: "Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease." Note: these demographics include "confirmed" COVID cases only, and exclude "probable" deaths."
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:05 am
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Coronavirus and Other Causes Driving Surge in US Deaths
April 30, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... eaths.html
"NEW YORK — The U.S. has seen at least 66,000 more deaths than usual so far this year, according to government data, and the new coronavirus accounts for much — but not all — of the increase.
Usually the nation sees about 1 million deaths by the end of April, meaning the rise is in the neighborhood of 7%. "
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the data this week, found the new coronavirus was reported as a cause in about half the excess deaths. It’s likely the virus was a factor in many other deaths too, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC’s death statistics work."
"Medical examiners say drug overdoses, falls and certain types of accidents around the house may be up. Experts also believe at least some of the excess deaths may have been people with heart problems or other conditions who decided not to go to a hospital because of concerns they were filled with coronavirus-infected people."
Paywall. I was interested to see where this data comes from, as the CDC data I have seen at their website and posted here is the opposite.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:06 am
by Lowpe
Was Britain's lockdown a waste of time? Scientists find draconian stay-at-home orders had little effect on curbing coronavirus outbreaks in Europe - but closing schools and banning all mass gatherings did work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kdown.html
There are a ton of charts, graphs, and numbers in this article.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:09 am
by MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Coronavirus and Other Causes Driving Surge in US Deaths
April 30, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... eaths.html
"NEW YORK — The U.S. has seen at least 66,000 more deaths than usual so far this year, according to government data, and the new coronavirus accounts for much — but not all — of the increase.
Usually the nation sees about 1 million deaths by the end of April, meaning the rise is in the neighborhood of 7%. "
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the data this week, found the new coronavirus was reported as a cause in about half the excess deaths. It’s likely the virus was a factor in many other deaths too, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC’s death statistics work."
"Medical examiners say drug overdoses, falls and certain types of accidents around the house may be up. Experts also believe at least some of the excess deaths may have been people with heart problems or other conditions who decided not to go to a hospital because of concerns they were filled with coronavirus-infected people."
Paywall. I was interested to see where this data comes from, as the CDC data I have seen at their website and posted here is the opposite.
I did't pay. I believe if you signup for their daily news briefing you can view their articles.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:19 am
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Coronavirus and Other Causes Driving Surge in US Deaths
April 30, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... eaths.html
"NEW YORK — The U.S. has seen at least 66,000 more deaths than usual so far this year, according to government data, and the new coronavirus accounts for much — but not all — of the increase.
Usually the nation sees about 1 million deaths by the end of April, meaning the rise is in the neighborhood of 7%. "
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the data this week, found the new coronavirus was reported as a cause in about half the excess deaths. It’s likely the virus was a factor in many other deaths too, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC’s death statistics work."
"Medical examiners say drug overdoses, falls and certain types of accidents around the house may be up. Experts also believe at least some of the excess deaths may have been people with heart problems or other conditions who decided not to go to a hospital because of concerns they were filled with coronavirus-infected people."
Paywall. I was interested to see where this data comes from, as the CDC data I have seen at their website and posted here is the opposite.
I did't pay. I believe if you signup for their daily news briefing you can view their articles.
Good to know. Thank you.[:)]
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:22 am
by Lowpe
This is the New York state order for Nursing Homes to accept covid positive patients. March 25. It is for all Nursing Homes, not just the state administered ones like I previously thought.

RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:22 am
by MakeeLearn
It's not only the "Coronavirus Navy"
“To reinvent themselves as a naval expeditionary force within budget limits, the Marines plan to get rid of all of their tanks, cut back on their aircraft and shrink in total numbers from 189,000 to as few as 170,000, Gen. Berger said. “I have come to the conclusion that we need to contract the size of the Marine Corps to get quality,” he said.”
https://defense.info/re-thinking-strate ... questions/
Now stratgy wise...
Hmmmmmmmmmm?!!
The idea is that in a war with China, America’s hulking aircraft carriers might be pushed far out to sea by the threat of missiles. But small groups of 50 to 150 Marines, wielding armed drones, rockets and anti-ship missiles, could get up close, fanning out on islands along and inside the chain from Japan to the Philippines. Like a high-tech echo of the insurgents they once fought, they would jump from one makeshift base to another every couple of days to avoid being spotted and targeted, says General Berger. They could feed targeting information back to more distant ships and warplanes, or pepper the Chinese fleet with fire themselves—a form of dispersed, island-hopping warfare designed to stop a Chinese attack in its tracks.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:35 am
by Cap Mandrake
Oh, man that REALLY looks bad. Calif is bad too. One time the State Franchise Tax Board sent out two "revenue agents" in the ugliest tan Ford Fairlane ever made (with no hubcaps and an "E" plate). They went around the neighborhood in their $25 suits trying to get people to rat on their neighbor who was a big shot professional tennis player claiming a Nevada residence. They found out he owned the place and were trying to attach his earnings to the Calif residence. My wife misunderstood their purpose and was telling them exactly the wrong slant and then I overheard the conversation and came to the door and voiced my concerns about the confiscatory tax policies of my fair state and to "stay off my lawn". They left and then I got a state audit notice about 2 months later.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:37 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
It's not only the "Coronavirus Navy"
“To reinvent themselves as a naval expeditionary force within budget limits, the Marines plan to get rid of all of their tanks, cut back on their aircraft and shrink in total numbers from 189,000 to as few as 170,000, Gen. Berger said. “I have come to the conclusion that we need to contract the size of the Marine Corps to get quality,” he said.”
https://defense.info/re-thinking-strate ... questions/
Now stratgy wise...
Hmmmmmmmmmm?!!
The idea is that in a war with China, America’s hulking aircraft carriers might be pushed far out to sea by the threat of missiles. But small groups of 50 to 150 Marines, wielding armed drones, rockets and anti-ship missiles, could get up close, fanning out on islands along and inside the chain from Japan to the Philippines. Like a high-tech echo of the insurgents they once fought, they would jump from one makeshift base to another every couple of days to avoid being spotted and targeted, says General Berger. They could feed targeting information back to more distant ships and warplanes, or pepper the Chinese fleet with fire themselves—a form of dispersed, island-hopping warfare designed to stop a Chinese attack in its tracks.
I thought that job would be more of a Special Forces nature. You know, the SEALs and the Girl Scouts . . .
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:41 am
by MakeeLearn
they would jump from one makeshift base to another every couple of days to avoid being spotted and targeted,
Priceless!
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:42 am
by MakeeLearn
But small groups of 50 to 150 Marines
About half women?
I believe the Coronavirus will put us in the bag for the Chinese to grab.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 9:50 am
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
This is the New York state order for Nursing Homes to accept covid positive patients. March 25. It is for all Nursing Homes, not just the state administered ones like I previously thought.
Even though this looks terrible I can understand the motivation. The system is built on having the safety valve of lower level of care facilities for patients not sick enough for the expensive high support care of acute care hospitals. These are patients that need either permanent of extended support like physical therapy or injectable medications or even finish out antibiotic therapies. Sadly, these are often patients who have no or incompetent family support. Almost all could be managed at home with home nursing or nursing aides if their "family" gave a damn or didn't have other social problems.
The problem is the level of expertise is not the same as an acute care hospital and the caregiver might have 8 or more patients each and the economic margins are thinner so they likely skimp on PPE. Sending COVID patients still excreting virus to such a facility is signing a death warrant to the uninfected patients there because they ALL have pre-existing conditions.