Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Dragon029]

ORIGINAL: 14yellow14
Currently in C:MO the missile's radar is not LPI and is easily detected by ESM sensors. The LRASM is a primarily passive missile and that is where its effectiveness lies, so it does not currently perform as expected.

I'm actually not sure the LRASM has an active radar at all; I know that the Jalopnik article mentions an LPI radar, but given the quality of reporting I could see that being a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of the passive "radar" system the missile has, or the "active and passive survivability measures" attributed to the missile in other articles (an active survivability measure can just mean it flies around radars or performs end-game manoeuvres to avoid CIWS; a passive survivability measure is something like just being stealthy).

I haven't found any other source that indicates that it has a radar either, with others instead stating that it performs terminal guidance purely passively via its ESM and IIR sensors.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... explained/

[BeirutDude]

the C:MO DB3000 PLAAF (China) H-6K "God of War" can not carry the YJ-12 ASM, while open source intel indicates they have been upgraded over the H-6G version to carry up to six (6)

http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/h6k.htm

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Update AGM-183A ARRW</summary>
<detail>

With the U.S. Air Force preparing to begin long-delayed hypersonic flight testing, key details around the performance of the Lockheed Martin AGM-183A Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon have been revealed



IOC 2022, ARRW loadout should be deleted in previous platforms

</detail>


<evidence>
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 7902791683
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... ew-hurdles
</evidence>

Thanks!;)

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>ADD DDS to Virginia class SSN-778 and SSN-784</summary>

<detail>

A number of Virginia submarines are configured specifically for the special operations support mission with a Dry Deck Shelter (DDS) on top of their hulls aft of their sails. The DDSs, like the one seen in use in the video below, allow for the underwater deployment of large payloads, such as miniature submarines and unmanned underwater vehicles (UUV), as well as the simultaneous egress of large groups of combat swimmers.






</detail>


<evidence>
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... -submarine
https://www.seaforces.org/usnships/ssn/ ... Dakota.htm

</evidence>

Thanks!

[KLAB]

Crowsnest out by 2029..?
"UK Crowsnest ASAC... is expected to leave service in 2029 to be replaced by an as yet unknown sensor and platform combination."
Richard Thomas
Pp. 11 - Air International, August 2021 Military News.

That was quick!
K

[TwarVG]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Update range of Spearfish torpedo</summary>
<detail>The Spearfish Mod 0 and Mod 1 (#1932 and #980) should have their slow-speed cruise range increased from 20nmi to 29nmi. Exact numbers are obviously classified, but all open source articles I can find suggest a range anywhere from 28 to 30+nmi, all well above the current 20nmi. 29nmi is a good estimate and would make the most sense as 20nmi is far too short to be truly effective when compared to contemporaries such as the Mk48.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2014/11/ ... o-upgrade/
https://www.naval-technology.com/featur ... s-4286162/
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Spearfish_torpedo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearfish_torpedo
https://defense-update.com/20170816_spearfish.html
</evidence>

[KLAB]

Loadouts typo?

Ref L-39NG, new entry for DB489 all users?

It's got 2 x GBU-10 (MK84) LGB load outs?

Mk84 2000lb seems "optimistic" for a platform of this size?

Should it be GBU-12 perhaps, as Mk82 500lb seems a better fit?
Thanks

K

[cdnice]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Update Victoria Class Submarine Canada</summary>
<detail>Victoria Class Modernization Program detailed below will result in new version of submarine as of 2022</detail>
<evidence>Sources:
Canada’s most modern submarine returns to the water
“Game changing” mast installation underway for submarines

Canada’s most modern submarine returns to the water

UPGRADES

* L3 Calzoni Universal Modular Mast (UMM)
----- (same as Virginia class)
----- allows high-speed, highly-secure, jam-resistant satellite communications with shore (please add applicable comms)
* BQQ-10 Sonar Suite
----- (same as Virginia class)
----- replaces 2040
* Mk48 7AT torpedoes
----- replaces Mk48 4M torpedoes

"Following HMCS Corner Brook’s undocking, the alongside, in-water testing portion of the EDWP will start, culminating in a camber dive, which is a static dive alongside to prove systems in a dived configuration. It is anticipated the camber dive and sea acceptance trials will begin in the latter part of 2021, with a return to full service in 2022."

Eye Candy aka shiny sub pics

[cdnice]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Update Aurora MPA</summary>
<detail>Aurora MPA modernization program Block IV Plane, adds some new comms and sensors</detail>
<evidence>Sources:
Canada’s CP-140 Aurora MPA Upgraded To Block IV Takes First Flight
CP-140 Aurora fleet modernization and life extension
Upgraded Block IV Aurora undergoing flight testing

CP-140 Aurora MPA Upgraded To Block IV

Communications systems including:

*AN/ARC-511 and AN/ARC-513 very high frequency (VHF) radios, used for line of sight air traffic management and marine communications
*AN/ARC-210 and AN/ARC-234 very and ultra high frequency (V/UHF) radios, used for line of sight data communications and two-way radio communication
*ARC-512 high frequency (HF) radios and Link-11 tactical data Link, used to transmit, relay and receive long range tactical data and communication

Data management system that integrates information and displays it from the following sensors:
*AN/APS-508 multi-mode Imaging radar system, an exceptionally capable detection, tracking and imaging radar system for weather avoidance, maritime and ground-mapping roles
*MX-20 electro-optics/infrared sensor package that allows day and night visual surveillance at extended ranges
*AN/UYS-504 modular VME acoustic sensor processor for analysis of information received from sonobuoys
*AN/ASQ-508 magnetic anomaly detector, used primarily for the detection of submarines
*AN/ALQ-507 electronic support measures (ESM) system, used to identify and locate sources of radio frequency emission

Plane eye Candy

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Update Italian FREMM GP and ASW with Sylver A50 VLS and ASTER 30 missiles</summary>
<detail>

The Italian FREMM Anti Air Warfare Capability based on the SAAM ESD is now entrusted for ensuring protection also to consort ships through their 16 ASTER missiles (ASTER 15 or ASTER 30).

Behind the front gun and forward of the bridge, it is installed a DCNS Sylver A50 VLS with 16 cells (two VLS modules) for MBDA Aster 15 anti-aircraft missiles for local and area defence (medium range) and Aster 30 missiles that provide long range interception capability for area defence




</detail>


<evidence>
https://www.navalanalyses.com/2014/08/b ... es-of.html
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... 0-missile/
https://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFAC ... system.htm
</evidence>

Thanks!

[14yellow14]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>USMC MADIS (Mk1 and Mk2) and LMADIS</summary>

<detail>

The MADIS is mounted on a pair of Joint Light Tactical Vehicles, one with a turret launcher for four Raytheon Coyote anti-drone UAV and a 30mm cannon, as well as an optical sensor and shoulder-fired Stingers (MADIS MK1). The second vehicle is equipped with an RPS-42 360-degree radar, a 7.62mm M134 minigun, and electro-optic/infrared sensors, as well as shoulder-fired Stingers (MADIS MK2). On both vehicles is the Modi II dismounted electronic countermeasures system, which can be used to disrupt enemy drones, communications, and radio-controlled improvised explosive devices.

IOC 2021: First two platoons outfitted with MADIS Mk1 and Mk2

Coyote Block 2 antidrone UAV (loitering missile?)
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/raytheon-c-u ... next-level
https://armadainternational.com/2020/07 ... ikes-back/

“The Coyote Block 2 is a wholly different system, powered by a turbine assisted jet engine, capable to reach 555 km/h maximum speed (versus 130 km/h of the Block 1), and it is fitted with a new warhead,”


MADIS Mk1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osofUsbaRc

MADIS Mk2



The L-MADIS is a counter-UAS electronic attack system mounted on a Polaris MRZR all-terrain vehicle. It features a 360-degree radar, a direct-fire capability, radio frequency jammers and electro-optic/infrared sensors. The L-MADIS is credited with downing an Iranian drone that flew in the close vicinity of the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer in July 2019.

MADIS Mk1 and LMADIS



</detail>

<evidence>
https://seapowermagazine.org/marine-cor ... r-defense/
https://news.usni.org/2019/03/11/marine ... nd-of-year
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/defe ... tem-madis/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... nian-drone
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... lmadis.htm
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/raytheon-c-u ... next-level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osofUsbaRc
</evidence>


Thanks!

[BDukes]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add Out of Service date of 2021 for Korean I-Hawks</summary>
<detail>The South Korean Airforce retired I-Hawks. Add 2021 out of service date to #749. May want to check if both the Army and AF used them. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... am-systems
</evidence>

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>

<summary> More realistic missile mix in S400 systems</summary>

<detail>Now S400 batteries have by default the 40N6 missile in all their TELs and I think it is not realistic.

Watching videos of simulated Russian Army exercises sometime shows the mix of missiles they simulate to have in a S400 unit:




we can see the following configuration

1- 40N6, 4x missiles
2- 48N6, 10x
3- 48N6P-01, 7x
4- 48N6DM, 24x


45 missiles in total so we can deduce that it is a battery with 12 TEL (48 missiles maximum). At the time the picture was taken, 2x48N6 and 1x48N6P-01 were probably expended.

It's just an idea to have a more realistic combination of missiles. In theory the 40N6 missile can only be carried by the latest 51P6A TEL.



</detail>

<evidence>
https://twitter.com/halmiso1/status/1399088331158441988
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1417392911600295936

</evidence>

Thanks!

[CV60]

<type>CORRECTION</type>
<summary>ADD "Generic NATO Sonobuoy Transmitter" capability to Comms/Datalinks for DB3000 Weapon_1939 AN/SSQ-77B VLAD sonobouy</summary>

<detail>VLAD AN/SSQ-77B is missing this capability, preventing it from sending contact data in game.

Note: H/T KnightHawk75 and ExNusquam. See https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5051725#

[WWILightRilfesCompany]

Spanish AW.212 Air to Ground Weapons

None of the database options include any air to ground weapon like 70mm rockets or 7.62mm guns. Even the photo used for “#1319 AB.212 ASW Spain (Navy), 2003 Augusta-Bell” shows a Spanish AB.212 with rocket pods There is a nice write up about the Assault Huey’s in World Air Power issue 23, but unfortunately I haven’t posted enough to the forms to allow links and attachments.

[JFS737]

Hi, (Repost from main forum Tech Support)
I am seeing both entries for the 612 Badr Class.... #281 and #323 show only 2x2 Harpoon loadout, but Wiki and the pictures in CMO itself clearly show 2x4 launchers, also 2015/2016 Jane's Fighting ships shows it with 8 missiles, so it should be 8 harpoons on each vs 4. That is unless I'm all messed up again.

Regards,

John

[tylerblakebrandon]

ORIGINAL: JFS737

Hi, (Repost from main forum Tech Support)
I am seeing both entries for the 612 Badr Class.... #281 and #323 show only 2x2 Harpoon loadout, but Wiki and the pictures in CMO itself clearly show 2x4 launchers, also 2015/2016 Jane's Fighting ships shows it with 8 missiles, so it should be 8 harpoons on each vs 4. That is unless I'm all messed up again.

Regards,

John

There's a request for this a few pages back. The requestor couldn't attach links or photos then so I did.

[Blast33]

A new land attack variant of the Kh-59; the Kh-59MKM(odernized) to punch through concrete with a pre-charger.

Please, also take a look at the other general data of this new variant. Because the data in de Database is sometimes better for the older variants (# 984 Kh-59M and #481 Kh-29MK) than this new one (CEP, release altitude etc).
Image of the missile, for in the database, are in the links below.

https://www.indomiliter.com/rusia-perkenalkan-kh-59mkm-rudal-jelajah-spesialis-penghancur-sasaran-stasioner-strategis/
https://twitter.com/dressler_w/status/1417876516181008389/photo/1
https://twitter.com/MuxelAero/status/1417051876131024898

[cdnice]

<type>CORRECTION</type>
<summary>Record #2581 A 136 Tidespring [MARS Tide Class] 2017</summary>

<detail>The fuel levels carried look too low. It is showing that the ship only carries 123 tones of diesel fuel and 26 tons of Aviation fuel.

Source: "Mobile filling station
17 separate tanks can hold 19,000 tonnes of F76 marine diesel, F44 aviation fuel and a further 1,300 tonnes of fresh water for issue to other vessels. The dual-use fuel tanks can be filled with F76 or F44, depending on the mission. Supporting the carriers, for example, will usually require a larger proportion of F44."

Supporting the Royal Navy at sea in focus the Tide class tankers

BMT AEGIR® Logistic Support Vessels

[Blast33]

I once read on this forum, you guys have no problem reading Russian? [8D]

I can't, but maybe this helps for the S-350 SAM?[&:]
Source: https://twitter.com/krakek1/status/1417855622222159872

And by the looks of it, on this link, a lot of it is already translated:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://tangosix.rs/2021/22/07/novi-podaci-o-mogucnostima-raketnog-sistema-pvo-s-350e-vitez/

Or if somebody speaks Bosnian?
https://tangosix.rs/2021/22/07/novi-podaci-o-mogucnostima-raketnog-sistema-pvo-s-350e-vitez/