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Tell Congress the American People need The Emergency Money for the People Act to pass.
Created by M.J. on April 15, 2020


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... e-act-pass


37,571 signed
100,000 goal

Needs 62,429 signatures by May 15, 2020 to get a response from the White House


"The Emergency Money for the People Act expands relief to more Americans and includes a $2,000 monthly payment to every qualifying American over the age of 16 until employment returns to pre-COVID-19 levels. It also fixes a bug in the CARES Act to ensure college students and adults with disabilities can still receive the payments even if claimed as a dependent."

That reminds me of something that Paul Harvey said.

Ventura County clarifies claims it would force people from homes into isolated coronavirus centers
6 hours ago


https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-v ... quarantine

"Ventura County officials were forced Wednesday to apologize and clarify that those who could not isolate or quarantine themselves would never be forcibly removed from their homes as part of an effort to further contain the spread of the coronavirus.

Video circulated on social media showed Dr. Robert Levin, the director of Ventura County Public Health, speaking before the board of supervisors Tuesday about a plan to hire up to 50 new “contact tracing investigators” to “find people who have COVID-19 and immediately isolate them, find every one of their contacts, make sure they stay quarantined and check in with them every day.” "


"Ventura County officials in California announced plans to remove infected residents with the Wuhan virus from their homes and place them in quarantine centers.

On Wednesday, Ventura County Health Director Robert Levin announced that the forcible quarantines are underway and will continue."

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Tell Congress the American People need The Emergency Money for the People Act to pass.
Created by M.J. on April 15, 2020


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... e-act-pass


37,571 signed
100,000 goal

Needs 62,429 signatures by May 15, 2020 to get a response from the White House


"The Emergency Money for the People Act expands relief to more Americans and includes a $2,000 monthly payment to every qualifying American over the age of 16 until employment returns to pre-COVID-19 levels. It also fixes a bug in the CARES Act to ensure college students and adults with disabilities can still receive the payments even if claimed as a dependent."

<facepalm> That is the stupidest idea I have ever seen

I see you gents had a South Korea discussion while I was sawing logs. The Atlantic piece is largely correct, although there's no need to make gratuitous slams on the U.S. This place is no panacea: If we hadn't had the MERS goat rodeo in 2015 we'd probably be doing a lot worse. The public health authorities and politicians learned from that fiasco and the memory is fresh. I also think the fact that the huge Daegu outbreak happened early on caused a lot of people to take this seriously.

Although there has been some opposition from the press and, well, the opposition, it's been minimal. With some exceptions early on, the press here hasn't been all about scoring points or trying to make politicians look bad. From afar, that looks like one of the biggest problems the U.S. has. One example: Korea has quietly been using hydroxychloroquine on patients admitted to hospitals. It isn't a political issue--they just do it.

While I was driving this morning there was a discussion on the way forward on the radio. I hadn't thought about it, but it makes sense that countries like Korea will probably start signing agreements with individual countries that are also doing well to reopen air travel without quarantining their respective citizens. Certainly Korea-Taiwan would work and Korea-Vietnam probably for starters (the 'Nam has become a big vacation spot for Koreans). In the meantime, domestic tourism is reaching big numbers and might even do better than 2019 since we've had a tourism deficit for decades (i.e. Koreans usually spend more on tourism abroad than other people spend on tourism here).

My good buddy at Asia Times is supposed to putting out a piece this afternoon on East vs. West responses to COVID. If he gets it out before I hit happy hour, I'll post it and possibly add some comments. It should be interesting.

Cheers,
CB (formerly known as Commander Cody as Obvert has noted)

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Tell Congress the American People need The Emergency Money for the People Act to pass.
Created by M.J. on April 15, 2020


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... e-act-pass


37,571 signed
100,000 goal

Needs 62,429 signatures by May 15, 2020 to get a response from the White House


"The Emergency Money for the People Act expands relief to more Americans and includes a $2,000 monthly payment to every qualifying American over the age of 16 until employment returns to pre-COVID-19 levels. It also fixes a bug in the CARES Act to ensure college students and adults with disabilities can still receive the payments even if claimed as a dependent."

<facepalm> That is the stupidest idea I have ever seen

https://www.idahostatejournal.com/opini ... 7f2cd.html

Thanks, Capt. Beefheart. It's nearly bedtime here. Have a happy Happy Hour.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Tell Congress the American People need The Emergency Money for the People Act to pass.
Created by M.J. on April 15, 2020


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... e-act-pass


37,571 signed
100,000 goal

Needs 62,429 signatures by May 15, 2020 to get a response from the White House


"The Emergency Money for the People Act expands relief to more Americans and includes a $2,000 monthly payment to every qualifying American over the age of 16 until employment returns to pre-COVID-19 levels. It also fixes a bug in the CARES Act to ensure college students and adults with disabilities can still receive the payments even if claimed as a dependent."

<facepalm> That is the stupidest idea I have ever seen

When I was maybe eight I asked my dad if the government bought things, why couldn't it just print money at the presses in DC we had just visited to pay for those things? He gave me a good lecture on economics. Clearly, not everyone has had that advantage.

Cheers,
CB

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All this, for a mortality rate of?

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Need change...

Bank Notes Hugh?

Doing this in your free time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GMw9HT1cCU

Pelosi to lay down multitrillion-dollar marker with new coronavirus package

The speaker isn’t yet negotiating with Republicans or the White House on the next aid bill.

05/07/2020 05:23 PM EDT


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/0 ... rus-243490



"Speaker Nancy Pelosi is speeding to finalize a multitrillion-dollar coronavirus relief package, hoping to put the bill on the House floor next week — a timeline that even some senior Democrats dismiss as unlikely."

"“We have an emergency of such magnitude that no one has ever seen before. This is probably the worst situation that is only getting worse and should be getting better,” Pelosi told reporters earlier Thursday. "



"We have an emergency of such magnitude that no one has ever seen before"

ORIGINAL: Footslogger

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Need change...

Bank Notes Hugh?

Doing this in your free time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GMw9HT1cCU

FBI got there fast.


No printing needed....DIGITAL MONEY.

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Pelosi to lay down multitrillion-dollar marker with new coronavirus package

The speaker isn’t yet negotiating with Republicans or the White House on the next aid bill.

05/07/2020 05:23 PM EDT


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/0 ... rus-243490



"Speaker Nancy Pelosi is speeding to finalize a multitrillion-dollar coronavirus relief package, hoping to put the bill on the House floor next week — a timeline that even some senior Democrats dismiss as unlikely."

"“We have an emergency of such magnitude that no one has ever seen before. This is probably the worst situation that is only getting worse and should be getting better,” Pelosi told reporters earlier Thursday. "



"We have an emergency of such magnitude that no one has ever seen before"

The only part of the US Government that makes cents is the US Mint.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is the New York state order for Nursing Homes to accept covid positive patients. March 25. It is for all Nursing Homes, not just the state administered ones like I previously thought.

Even though this looks terrible I can understand the motivation. The system is built on having the safety valve of lower level of care facilities for patients not sick enough for the expensive high support care of acute care hospitals. These are patients that need either permanent of extended support like physical therapy or injectable medications or even finish out antibiotic therapies. Sadly, these are often patients who have no or incompetent family support. Almost all could be managed at home with home nursing or nursing aides if their "family" gave a damn or didn't have other social problems.

The problem is the level of expertise is not the same as an acute care hospital and the caregiver might have 8 or more patients each and the economic margins are thinner so they likely skimp on PPE. Sending COVID patients still excreting virus to such a facility is signing a death warrant to the uninfected patients there because they ALL have pre-existing conditions.

And they prohibited[/b] testing the patients. [X(]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Much of the original outbreak in South Korea was specific to one large church, which lent itself to effective contact tracing. The leader of the church was forced to apologize on live TV. [:D] To say there are no cultural reasons for their success is idiotic.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-sout ... 1583082110

Who said there are no cultural reasons for their success? Or are you saying other countries are incapable of doing what they're doing because of a lack of these "cultural reasons?"

The author of The Atlantic article you cited said exactly that.

It is absolutely true they had superior contact tracing. No doubt about it. As I understand it they had a war room like set-up dedicated to respond to viral outbreaks and had clearly rehearsed and trained for it. If you ask me, THAT is the lesson. You have to spend the money to maintain a trained, full-time, substantial infrastructure in the years BEFORE the outbreak that can be unleashed on day 1. I think they had a wake-up call with SARS-1 in HK and Taiwan.

+1

And that is why I have posted several articles about attempts to maintain readiness in the US being undermined time and time again.

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Everett Dirksen, former Speaker of the House (D) once said



""A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money."

He would soil himself.

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



[:D]

warspite1

Well at least you and HansBolter saw the funny side... I guess everyone's sense of humour is different [:)]

If you wanted me to think that you were jesting, you could have used an emoji.
[;)][:D]

warspite1

I think sometimes, tactically, the addition of an emoji is sensible - for example when a response could be taken the wrong way. However that - to me - is the exception rather than the rule. I prefer dead pan delivery, and an emoji weakens that.

To be honest I didn't think I had to telegraph that I was jesting - after all, if you thought I was serious then I would have to have thought you were holding Harry S Truman (died 1972) as being responsible for the care homes problem in evidence at present.

So for the avoidance of doubt, while I do blame Truman for a lot - for example my toast came out burnt this morning - I am prepared to give him a free pass on New York's care home situation.

It's almost Miller Time and it doesn't look like my buddy will post that Asia Times article I mentioned before I head to happy hour. Here's a search link that should tell you if it's up or not (look for a May 8 date, not the earlier ones): Asia Times Andy Salmon article. I'll be pretty busy tomorrow, but will try to post it at some point if nobody else has by then.

The big news here today is a guy infected 15 people (as of now) at three gay nightclubs about a week ago. They say he became symptomatic the day after, but I have to wonder about that. Still, I don't predict much of a spike from this. The mayor will make a big show of closing nightclubs for another week or two. I presume my smaller craft beer and whiskey hangouts won't be affected. Here's the story: 15 confirmed virus cases related to Itaewon clubber, including 3 foreigners

Cheers,
CB