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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:09 pm
by Broncepulido
Great Conservatoire Air et Space d'Aquitaine (CAEA) site on French aircrafts:
https://www.caea.info/en/la-collection/ ... rage-iii-e
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:04 am
by Jorge_Stanbury
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Peruvian Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1983) should include AA-2c Advanced Atoll (R-13M) in the weapon loadout </summary>
<detail> Peru purchased 16 Su-22M in the early 1980s. According to open sources, these were equipped with "advanced atolls", the mid 1970s version of AA-2. In the DB3000 database, it is only showing AA-2a, the much earlier 1960s version.
Peru purchased these 16 planes specifically as fighter-bombers, to provide AA coverage to an earlier (1977) purchase of 32 Su-20 attack planes (these were incapable of carrying AA missiles).
It wouldn't had made much sense to purchase, in 1980, an older, non-dogfighting capable version of the Atoll missile to equip one of your main fighter platforms.</detail>
<evidence>
I don't have hard evidence, just some webpages where it is stated that Peru got "advanced atolls". Therefore it might be better to add R-13 as another weapon loadout option, without eliminating the older AA-2a
https://www.laahs.com/the-sukhoi-su-22- ... n-service/
http://geocities.ws/aviacionperucenepa/ ... Su-22.html
</evidence>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:26 pm
by KLAB
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutr4EWgAA ... ame=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutp96XMAw ... ame=medium
Algerian Yak-130 weapons on display,
Usual S-8 and S-13 rocket packs,
OFAB-100
FAB-100
M-62 and M-54 250kg bombs.
SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun - Gsh-23-2 gun pod.
R-73.
Also appears part of the captive training head of the KAB-500Kr on the centre trolley behind the gun pod.
For consideration
K
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Libya needs a missile capable Su-22 for "Gulf of Sidra" 1981 incident</summary>
<detail> In DB3000 database, Libya has the following Su-20/ 22 available for a possible 1981 scenario against USN:
Su-20M Fitter D (1980)
Su-22M Fitter F (1981)
neither is AA capable, but as we all know, in Aug. 19, 1981 during the "Gulf of Sidra incident", a Libyan Su-22 fired an AA-2 "Atoll" against a USN F-14s (and paid the consequences soon afterwards)
so either one of these models (or both) should include AA missiles
another option: change the date of either:
Su-22M-2K Fitter H (1982) or
Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1982)
to 1981
As per the missiles: R-3S and R-13M were available, according to "War is Boring" webpage:
"Sukhoi Su-22 and Su-22M fighter-bombers armed with R-3S and R-13M air-to-air missiles — NATO code name AA-22 Atoll — scrambled"
(...)
Moment later, he fired one R-13M missile that, he claimed, destroyed the lead F-14.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://warisboring.com/the-libyans-des ... -u-s-navy/
</evidence>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:01 pm
by BDukes
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:38 am
by DetlefKroeze
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add the ability to target Mobile Units (Hard) to PrSM Spiral 1, 2, and 3 500kg warhead variants. Also, add the ability to target Land Structures (Hard) to the Spiral 2, and 3 variants.</summary>
<detail>The standard PrSM 500kg version can target both hard and soft mobile units and land structures, while follow on versions lack that capability, with Spiral 1 not being able to target Hard Mobile Units, and Spirals 2 and 3 not being able to target Hard Land Structures on top of that.. It would make sense to bring them in line with each other</detail>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:19 pm
by slimatwar
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Correct M88 engine for all the Rafales because it's turbofan not turbojet</summary>
<detail>The Propulsion category for all the Rafales says that M88 is turbojet</detail>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:00 am
by StrongHarm
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Could you change helo mounted weapons to have valid target helo? At the very least I was trying to simulate Apache vs Hind:</summary>
<detail>
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('2001','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('28','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('1042','1002');
</detail>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:55 pm
by tylerblakebrandon
I posted this as a feature request sometime back as it seems like it would affect a broad group of missiles and a doctrine setting option similar to the "use SAMs in ASuW mode" but for AAMs would be the easiest solution. But I'm going to post here as maybe it will get more traffic.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... e�
From the evidence it looks like at least some air to air missiles should be able to be used against ground and surface targets either intentionally through design or it was discovered through some unintentional means.
"I remembered this interview with a Brit Phantom driver who mentioned practicing with the Sparrow as an ASuW weapon off Vieques with the USN. He referred as well to the friendly fire incident when the USAF hit HMAS Hobart and USS Boston. Which I believe is also what Clancy was referring to in RSR when the F-15s said they were out of missiles when they strafed the Fucik. Plus the A2G abilities of AIM-9X and IRIS-T.
I was thinking about how this could be implemented in Command. The F-102 with A2G Falcons is in the CWDB as a specialized mod aircraft. Rather than make numerous specialty mod units or loadouts I was thinking that a WRA flag of "use AAMs in ASuW role" could be added and when checked any missiles with the capability could be employed against ground or surface targets."
https://hushkit-net.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... h-style%2F
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boston_(CA-69)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ge-missile
http://www.janes.com/article/66304/dieh ... iris-t-aam
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:35 pm
by tylerblakebrandon
<type>Add</type>
<summary>Specialized Marine Craft Type-II - Singapore (Navy)</summary>
<detail>Fast LO patrol/SOF craft</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.hisutton.com/Special%20Opera ... ified.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... submarine/
<evidence>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:15 am
by tylerblakebrandon
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:54 am
by Parel803
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Facility, Generic, Wind Turbine, #887</summary>
<detail>Kindly request to make it possible to initiate them in water, or have a new DB entry for wind turbines in water. Wanna make some of the fields with those in sea, generating false radar echoes.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/191734/e ... edkoper039
http://www.windmolensopzee.nl/
https://wonderfulengineering.com/38-hig ... the-world/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:38 am
by Parel803
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Aleksandrit class (project 12700), Minesweeper, Russian Navy </summary>
<detail>
Lead vessel: Alexander Obukhov (507), commissioned in 2016. Plans to aquire 40 units.
Length 61m, Beam 10m, Draught 2.6m, Full Displ 890t, crew 44
Mono-hull of glass-reinforced plastics
Capable minesweeping equip: OUKT-B, PKT-B, Zhelatin, ShAT-U, Livadia-ME sonar and ROV's (2x K-Ster I-type, 10x K-Ster C-type), AUV's 2x Allister 9-tyoe) and USV's 91x Inspector-Mk2-type).
PAL-N nav radar, MTK-201M3.1 EOTV, Anapa anti-saboteur sonar, Struktura underwater comms, Ruberoid comms.
9K38 IGLA SRSAM, 30mm AK-306 (canb e mounted with GSh-6-30L 6barrel auto gun & SP-520M-2 EO control, MTPU 14.5 MG or 12.7 MG. Mines: EDM, MTPK, PMR serie.
2x M-503M1 diesel engines, 2x rudder props, 2x tranvers thruster. Each engine output 1864kW. Max speed 16,5kts. Range 1680nm at 10 kts. max 10 days endurance.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... s-vessels/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandri ... inesweeper
https://seawaves.com/?tag=project-12700
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... /12700.htm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -specs.htm
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ough-2050/
https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/01/07/n ... sian-navy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_pC20xPYZM
</evidence>
Note: different sources give variations in fit.
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:33 pm
by Parel803
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Yantar class (Project 22010), Intelligence ship (AGI), Russian navy</summary>
<detail>
Commissioned 2015 first unt, second unit under construction. Total of two.
Length 107.8, Beam 17.2, Full displ 5736t,
Speed 15kts. Range 8000nm. Endurance 60days. Crew 50
Equip: AS-37/pr.16810"RUS" submersible. ?ARS-600
2x 3400 hp electric motors, 4x 1600 kW diesel generators, 2x 1080 kW diesel generators. 2x Azipods with fixed pitch propellors and 2x bowthruster.
Helopad
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -e262kBauw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_r ... sel_Yantar
http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_22010.htm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/pho ... id=3115563
https://intelnews.org/tag/yantar-ship/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e64u-KcwNXk
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Russian_int ... hip_Yantar
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... near-syria
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 pm
by Parel803
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:33 pm
by Parel803
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Vikram class, 33, Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV), Indian Coastguard</summary>
<detail>First commisioned in 2018, 7 in class
Length 97m, Beam 15m, Draught 3.6m, displacement 2140t.
Max speed 26kts, Range 5000nm at 12to14 kts.
30mm CRN91 naval gun, 2x 12.7 MG,
Helicopter
Crew 102
2x diesel 9100 kW, Semt Pielstick 16PA6V280
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -class-opv
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... graha.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram-cl ... sel_(2017)
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... kram-2.htm
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 715877.cms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFopiI4wdA
https://www.c4defence.com/en/icgs-vikram-commissioned/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
Data from JFS 2013/2014:
Offshore Patrol Vessel, WPSOH
Displ full 1300t. 74,1 x 11,4 x 3,5mtr.
Speed 22. Range 4200 at 12. Complement 109.
Machinery 2 SEMT pielstick 16 PA6 V 280, 12800 hp(m)(9.41 MW)sustained.
2 shafts; cp props.
1-30mm or 1-40mm/60 Bofors. 2-12.7mm MGs.
Navradar 2x DECCA 1226, I-band.
EO Lynx
1x HAL Chetak
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:12 pm
by KLAB
An observation but if Hellfire gets a surface to air capability then so should a whole raft of purpose designed Soviet / Russian ATGM and gun launched ATGM which have purpose designed proximity fused fragmentation warheads with a stated design aim of anti helicopter anti low slow aircraft capability. I expect other missiles from elsewhere could also be pressed into surface to air engagements by design or necessity but from the top of my head
9M133F Kornet
9M119M Svir/Refleks
9M120-1F Attaka
9M123 KHRIZANTEMA (Not in DB489)
Plus the Israeli LAHAT 120mm GLGP
Are all anti air capable.
That's without putting my special thinking hat on.
Not a critique of the request just that the speed guidance and manoeuvrability of a lot of these supposedly anti tank missiles do make them dangerous to low slow and non manoeuvring air targets, its not a Hellfire exclusive.
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:55 am
by Parel803
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Klewang class, Sidenr, Fast Attack Craft Trimaran (type), Indonesian navy</summary>
<detail>I used url's from earlier postes.
Builder North Sea Boats (PT Lundin Industry), Indonesia
Stealth wave-piercing trimaran carbon fast attack craft, Its hull and superstructure were constructed with infused vinyl ester carbon fibre, with its main gun concealed in a stealthy cupola to minimise the overall deflection of radar signals from the vessel.
Second unit KRI Golok (688) launch in 2021. First unit Klewang (625) was destroyed in a fire in 2012 before being commissioned.
Length 62.54, Width 18.7, Height 16.7, Weight 53.1t (Note PT Lundin gives displacement 245t).
Max speed 28kts, cruising speed 16kts.
Type 730 (CHN) 7 barreled 30mm CIWS, C-705 SSM, ?12.7mm gun. Crew 25.
* Different options for SSM are on sites. Compared to the first unit (destroyed) it might be switched to CHN SSM instead of SWE SSM. Sensors are yet unclear if there the same as for the first, destroyed, unit.
</detail>
<evidence>
http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/na ... k-688.html
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -2012-fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIIR_ySFV2M
https://gbp.com.sg/stories/pt-lundin-la ... sian-navy/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... sian-navy/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... class.html
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/work-boat ... oated-out/
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:56 am
by Parel803
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, CSB 8020 (ex-Hamilton class), 8020, High Endurance Cutter, Vietnam Coastguard</summary>
<detail>Follow-up on a previous req by BDukes. 2nd unit is transfered and 3rd is requested.
US coastguard Hamilton class, Latest in current DB is #1934
The WHEC722 Morgenthau & WHEC626 John Midgett are transferred to Vietnam as CSB8020 & CSB8021
Req for third, prob the WHEC724 Douglas Munro
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... m-u-s.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project ... ton-class/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... ilton.html
https://hanoitimes.vn/cbs-8021-hamilton ... 18150.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:28 am
by tylerblakebrandon
ORIGINAL: KLAB
An observation but if Hellfire gets a surface to air capability then so should a whole raft of purpose designed Soviet / Russian ATGM and gun launched ATGM which have purpose designed proximity fused fragmentation warheads with a stated design aim of anti helicopter anti low slow aircraft capability. I expect other missiles from elsewhere could also be pressed into surface to air engagements by design or necessity but from the top of my head
9M133F Kornet
9M119M Svir/Refleks
9M120-1F Attaka
9M123 KHRIZANTEMA (Not in DB489)
Plus the Israeli LAHAT 120mm GLGP
Are all anti air capable.
That's without putting my special thinking hat on.
Not a critique of the request just that the speed guidance and manoeuvrability of a lot of these supposedly anti tank missiles do make them dangerous to low slow and non manoeuvring air targets, its not a Hellfire exclusive.
I had put in a feature request for "Use AAM in ASuW mode" similar to SAM's as many AAM can be employed against surface or ground targets and a doctrine flag like for SAMs seemed to be the best long term solution rather than a specific specialized DB entry. Perhaps a similar type flag for such ATGM that have a secondary AA capability would be useful.