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Any news on the possible transition to the 2021 version for the sentinel-2 map? Thanks again!
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ORIGINAL: Dide
Any news on the possible transition to the 2021 version for the sentinel-2 map? Thanks again!
ORIGINAL: KLAB
ORIGINAL: De Savage
Could you please fix Gabriel V anti-surface missile. Range is too low. This missile is supposed to replace older Rb 15M Mk3 for Finnish Navy (#20) and even older missile have 200+ km range (or at least 100 km). Several Finnish navy sources say that new missile have LONGER range than older Rb 15M Mk3 missile.
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<summary> #3648 - Gabriel V Range is too short </summary>
<detail> Several sources estimates range for this weapon 150-200 km. Current range in CMO is only 28 nm (51 km). Probably real range is even much longer, this missile uses jet engine and is more like a cruise missile.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://merivoimat.fi/-/merivoimien-uus ... -gabriel-5
Official Finnish Navy website
Range (fin. kantama): More than 200 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_(missile)
Range 200 km / 120 mi
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/finnish-navy ... ip-missile
According to information and renderings released by the Finnish Navy on 13 December, the missile airframe resembles the Boeing Harpoon configuration with a rear underbelly fixed air intake with middle-airframe and rear foldable fins, together with smaller fixed rear fins. With a 5.5 meters length and a 1,250 kg weight, according to released information, the Gabriel V features a turbojet engine allowing subsonic speed and fuel tanks providing a range in excess of 200 km
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... gabriel-v/
https://corporalfrisk.com/2018/07/16/a- ... gabriel-5/
One interesting point that stands out in the cutaway, however, is the internal component layout compared to the non-ER versions of the Harpoon. Crucially, the warhead occupies more or less exactly the same space as the 500 lbs (227 kg) warhead of the Harpoon. If the cutaway is correct, this would indicate that Finland has decided against downsizing the warhead compared to the current MTO 85M. The size of the fuel tank would also likely indicate a range in the 150 km class rather than the 200+ km ranges of the RBS 15 Gungnir, NSM, and Harpoon Block II+ ER. Crucially, as 150 km is more than “about 100 km“, this does not contradict that the PTO 2020 has longer range than the MTO 85M, one of the few capability details revealed by the Finnish authorities (this being confirmed by captain Valkamo).
</evidence>
Gabriel V has been requested for amendment previously but the links and logic are still valid.
Just to add my tuppence worth.
KORIGINAL: KLAB
I took the liberty of attaching a link ref Gabriel V.
The fact it won in competitions against big hitters like the NSM and RBS-15 Mk3 both of which are 200km class weapons with land attack potential is a good indicator that Gabriel V is in the same ballpark.
Cheers for considering
K
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... iel-vquote]
ORIGINAL: Anzu
Thank you for adding the #3186 Gabriel V for the Finnish Hamina-class FAC. There seems however to be some wrong info on both the loadout (which seems to be a direct copy of the Israeli Sa'ar 72).
The loadout should, according to open sources, be:
Sensors/EW
1 x Kongsberg ST2400 VDS
1 x CEROS 200 Tracker (9LV CMS Mk.4), like on the RCN Halifax-class #1898
1 x TRS-3D Baseline D
-4 x Gabriel V (which also should have 200+ NM (More likely 200km?)range, not 28 NM, even if there is not very much open source info about that)
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -gabriel-v
-BAe Bofors 40 mm Mk 4 with 3P-ammo
-2 x Tp451 (#1595), to be upgraded to the SAAB Lightweight Torpedo (Tp 47) by 2023
-8 x Umkhonto Mk.2 (#2770)
-SAAB Trackfire RWS with 40 mm HK GMG
-2 x 12,7/50 MG
-2 x MASS
Not allowed to post links, but add world wide web at the start:
navalnews. com/naval-news/2019/12/finnish-navy-lifts-veil-on-its-future-anti-ship-missile-the-gabriel-v/
baesystems. com/en/product/40mk4-naval-gun
kongsberg. com/maritime/about-us/news-and-media/news-archive/2018/finnish-defence-forces-choose-kongsberg-naval-sonars-for-sq2000-mid-life/