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Apparently the French were slightly upset that the RN sank their fleet [X(]

Yes, one can understand why they were so upset. I mean, the temerity of the English-ensuring that their fleet wasn't handed over to Hitler!

My understanding is that the French fleet was rusting and falling apart at Oran, that the ships were undermanned, and there was not the facilities at Oran to maintain fleet units of that size. If the fleet had remained at Oran for any length of time, it would probably have not been able to leave. Churchill basically admits that he was aware of this in his books, but he was counciled by Pound and Cunningham to strike.

Edit; I think sometimes that the British don't really like the French.

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Our "friend" got himself banned.

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That conspiracy goes very deep indeed. [X(]

You can't handle the truth!

Certainly I can!

And when they're done with that, I wish they'd unravel the mystery of why milk costs $5/galon in NY. [8|]

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Yes, one can understand why they were so upset. I mean, the temerity of the English-ensuring that their fleet wasn't handed over to Hitler!

My understanding is that the French fleet was rusting and falling apart at Oran, that the ships were undermanned, and there was not the facilities at Oran to maintain fleet units of that size. If the fleet had remained at Oran for any length of time, it would probably have not been able to leave. Churchill basically admits that he was aware of this in his books, but he was counciled by Pound and Cunningham to strike.

Edit; I think sometimes that the British don't really like the French.

If i can give my own advice ???
The french fleet was NOT undermanned; and Mers-el-Kebir harbor, although not as good as Toulon or Brest, was able to keep these ships there. The almost only big fact about the ships was that it was able to fight ! it was a kind of Joker for Vichy governement.

About the Navy fighting the allies: it would probably never had occured: once more, i repeat it, the Navy was like a kind of Joker for the Vichy Governement. The idea of Petain and all vichistes, was to trick the germans, pretending to be neutral and friendly to their side, but trying to prepare the future by staying independant. Thus the idea to protect hte colonial empire with the fleet.
A widely spread feeling in the fleet was that we had several enemys: the english fleet by pure tradition and history; the germans and their italian allies, because they were the agressors in 1940.
The fleet would not had join any side.
I can understand that Churchill could not take the risk.....

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My understanding is that the French fleet was rusting and falling apart at Oran, that the ships were undermanned, and there was not the facilities at Oran to maintain fleet units of that size. If the fleet had remained at Oran for any length of time, it would probably have not been able to leave. Churchill basically admits that he was aware of this in his books, but he was counciled by Pound and Cunningham to strike.

Edit; I think sometimes that the British don't really like the French.

If i can give my own advice ???
The french fleet was NOT undermanned; and Mers-el-Kebir harbor, although not as good as Toulon or Brest, was able to keep these ships there. The almost only big fact about the ships was that it was able to fight ! it was a kind of Joker for Vichy governement.

About the Navy fighting the allies: it would probably never had occured: once more, i repeat it, the Navy was like a kind of Joker for the Vichy Governement. The idea of Petain and all vichistes, was to trick the germans, pretending to be neutral and friendly to their side, but trying to prepare the future by staying independant. Thus the idea to protect hte colonial empire with the fleet.
A widely spread feeling in the fleet was that we had several enemys: the english fleet by pure tradition and history; the germans and their italian allies, because they were the agressors in 1940.
The fleet would not had join any side.
I can understand that Churchill could not take the risk.....

Gladiatt,

Thanks for your patient perspective. It's always enlightening to hear your point of view on these matters.

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We had a recator panel operator called Beach Ball. Enuff said.

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Very happy for you Eric. [&o]

Now about that car. The trouble is that its probably French. See, your wife should be French (you got that one right), but your car should be German, your watch Swiss, your tea English, etc. [:D]

[:D][:D]

Heaven is where:
The lovers are Italian
The cooks are French
The mechanics are German
The police are English
The government is run by Swiss

Hell is where:
The lovers are Swiss
The cooks are English
The mechanics are French
The police are German
The government is run by Italians

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I'm not in manhattan. In fact i think there are dairy farms right here on the island.

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Anybody want to buy an aircraft carrier? Invinciables for sale. http://blog.american.com/?p=23120

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I'm not in manhattan. In fact i think there are dairy farms right here on the island.

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[:D][:D]

Heaven is where:
The lovers are Italian
The cooks are French
The mechanics are German
The police are English
The government is run by Swiss

Hell is where:
The lovers are Swiss
The cooks are English
The mechanics are French
The police are German
The government is run by Italians

if i might add...

Heaven is where:
The lovers are Italian
The cooks are French
The mechanics are German
The police are English
The government is run by Swiss
The drinking buddy is Irish

Hell is where:
The lovers are Swiss
The cooks are English
The mechanics are French
The police are German
The government is run by Italians
The drinking buddy is Irish

[:D]

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I'm not in manhattan. In fact i think there are dairy farms right here on the island.

Long Island-I'm sure there are. Doubt seriously that they can provide sufficient supply for the bajillions of hungry mouths in that city over yonder. So, you've got to port it in, rail it in, drive it in or fly it onto the island then, matey.

Want cheap milk? Live in Wisconsin, Minnesota or Iowa. Want a decent pastrami sandwich? Live in New York City.

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Anybody want to buy an aircraft carrier? Invinciables for sale. http://blog.american.com/?p=23120

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ORIGINAL: sprior

We had a recator panel operator called Beach Ball. Enuff said.

did he walk the two minute "run" portion of the physical tests while smoking a cigarette like our chiefs did?

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I'm not in manhattan. In fact i think there are dairy farms right here on the island.

My sister's place could be a dairy farm. Just have to figure out how to get the milk out of the cows. [:'(]