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terrorfalc wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 am I have a fleet that keeps attacking on it's own, does anyone know why?

The is fleet currently sitting within a system, in the same system there are some hostile starbases near some other planets. If I order the fleet to "stop" it says No Mission, however whenever I unpause the game the fleet immediately changes its mission to "Attack fortress" and then goes off to attack the hostiles, despite my policy/fleet role settings which should have turned automation off.

Version - 1.0.2.8
Military Attacks empire policy - Manual
Fleet Role - Manual
Engagement Range - 33% of Fuel Range

The hostiles are within the 33% of Fuel Range tactical setting, but surely the fleet still shouldn't attack because the fleet role is set to manual. Am I missing something here or is this a bug?

HateVagueManuals wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:38 am

terrorfalc wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 am I have a fleet that keeps attacking on it's own, does anyone know why?

The is fleet currently sitting within a system, in the same system there are some hostile starbases near some other planets. If I order the fleet to "stop" it says No Mission, however whenever I unpause the game the fleet immediately changes its mission to "Attack fortress" and then goes off to attack the hostiles, despite my policy/fleet role settings which should have turned automation off.

Version - 1.0.2.8
Military Attacks empire policy - Manual
Fleet Role - Manual
Engagement Range - 33% of Fuel Range

The hostiles are within the 33% of Fuel Range tactical setting, but surely the fleet still shouldn't attack because the fleet role is set to manual. Am I missing something here or is this a bug?

I was having the same problem before I quit, only worse. The AI didn't send all the ships in the fleet at once (even if it did, it was still suicide). There was never an attack with the full fleet. That is just the way the game attacks. Which makes me believe it's a mechanism to cripple the player. People like zgrssd think there are no problems with the game. The really nice part is, like I have said, and you mentioned, you can't stop these fleets/ships from doing it. I came to believe that is the way the developer wants it. Losing your fleets slows you down. You being slowed (or crippled) makes the game go on longer. If you chose to keep trying. To the developer, if you are playing longer (for any reason), its content. Hence zero effort to stop the AI from destroying your fleets in the name of "defense." I have yet to see any post (and I searched) in this forum stating a way to stop this. All you will get is denial of any problems with fleets going on suicide missions. As far as I could tell, it's just going to happen. It's content, so count yourself lucky to own a game with so much content.

SgtBootStrap wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:28 am

HateVagueManuals wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:38 am

terrorfalc wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 am I have a fleet that keeps attacking on it's own, does anyone know why?

The is fleet currently sitting within a system, in the same system there are some hostile starbases near some other planets. If I order the fleet to "stop" it says No Mission, however whenever I unpause the game the fleet immediately changes its mission to "Attack fortress" and then goes off to attack the hostiles, despite my policy/fleet role settings which should have turned automation off.

Version - 1.0.2.8
Military Attacks empire policy - Manual
Fleet Role - Manual
Engagement Range - 33% of Fuel Range

The hostiles are within the 33% of Fuel Range tactical setting, but surely the fleet still shouldn't attack because the fleet role is set to manual. Am I missing something here or is this a bug?

I was having the same problem before I quit, only worse. The AI didn't send all the ships in the fleet at once (even if it did, it was still suicide). There was never an attack with the full fleet. That is just the way the game attacks. Which makes me believe it's a mechanism to cripple the player. People like zgrssd think there are no problems with the game. The really nice part is, like I have said, and you mentioned, you can't stop these fleets/ships from doing it. I came to believe that is the way the developer wants it. Losing your fleets slows you down. You being slowed (or crippled) makes the game go on longer. If you chose to keep trying. To the developer, if you are playing longer (for any reason), its content. Hence zero effort to stop the AI from destroying your fleets in the name of "defense." I have yet to see any post (and I searched) in this forum stating a way to stop this. All you will get is denial of any problems with fleets going on suicide missions. As far as I could tell, it's just going to happen. It's content, so count yourself lucky to own a game with so much content.

Pretty sure the only "suicide" mission I sent, was on me...! Not the Dev.

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:51 am Why won't my damn fleets actually engage enemy fleets???

I have THREE attack fleets and TWO defense fleets in a system. Each fleet has over 6k strength. Two enemy fleets jumped into a system just one jump over. One was 3k strength and the other 2k. ONE of the attack fleets decided to fly into the attacked system but just chased a lone escort around instead of engaging either enemy fleet. The other four fleets of my just floated around their home starbase and I guess told ghost stories to each other?

I have my military and fleet automation to manual but I went into the targets section and clicked the enemy fleet so at least one of my five fleets should have engaged it but no dice. Honestly I've put in roughly twenty hours to this game now thinking I was doing something wrong but I think it's just fundamentally broken. Pretty embarrassing to sell a game like this If it weren't for steams crap refund policy I'd have refunded it at the five hour mark. Maybe I'll check in on th egame in six months and see if it's playable at that point. But til then I told my group of friends that were excited to try it out after so much stellaris to keep their wallets closed.

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:28 am How do I get my fleets to actually fight things?

All I want is to send a big fleet into a system and trust it to just go through and clear out all of the enemy bases and ships in that system when I'm at war. I try setting my fleet to be an attack fleet but it seems like the Enemy Targets section is just plain busted. I'll have a 5k strength fleet sitting IN the system of stuff I want to kill just one little jump over from its home base and none of the bases etc show up as targets. Or if they do I get the "No Fleet with fuel and engagement range to attack this target" bs. If I set the fleet to manual and engagement range of "system" it just sits there with its thumb up its ass. And on the off chance I do get the attack fleet to do anything it'll kill one base then jump off half my empire away to refuel before coming back for the next attack even though it only used up lik 10% of its fuel! What am I missing?

HateVagueManuals wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:50 am

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:51 am Why won't my damn fleets actually engage enemy fleets???

I have THREE attack fleets and TWO defense fleets in a system. Each fleet has over 6k strength. Two enemy fleets jumped into a system just one jump over. One was 3k strength and the other 2k. ONE of the attack fleets decided to fly into the attacked system but just chased a lone escort around instead of engaging either enemy fleet. The other four fleets of my just floated around their home starbase and I guess told ghost stories to each other?

I have my military and fleet automation to manual but I went into the targets section and clicked the enemy fleet so at least one of my five fleets should have engaged it but no dice. Honestly I've put in roughly twenty hours to this game now thinking I was doing something wrong but I think it's just fundamentally broken. Pretty embarrassing to sell a game like this If it weren't for steams crap refund policy I'd have refunded it at the five hour mark. Maybe I'll check in on th egame in six months and see if it's playable at that point. But til then I told my group of friends that were excited to try it out after so much stellaris to keep their wallets closed.

If you can PM zgrssd, he will tell you the secret that nothing is wrong with the game. And that you must be some kind of nut job for pointing out the obvious. There are people on this forum who want to help other players. He is not one of them.

Pocus wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:10 pm What are the min techs to move into nebulas without too much issues?

grumble314 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:17 pm Do column 9 techs do anything at the moment a lot of them state reducing size but see no component size reduction after doing the research?

zgrssd wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:36 am

HateVagueManuals wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:50 am

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:51 am Why won't my damn fleets actually engage enemy fleets???

I have THREE attack fleets and TWO defense fleets in a system. Each fleet has over 6k strength. Two enemy fleets jumped into a system just one jump over. One was 3k strength and the other 2k. ONE of the attack fleets decided to fly into the attacked system but just chased a lone escort around instead of engaging either enemy fleet. The other four fleets of my just floated around their home starbase and I guess told ghost stories to each other?

I have my military and fleet automation to manual but I went into the targets section and clicked the enemy fleet so at least one of my five fleets should have engaged it but no dice. Honestly I've put in roughly twenty hours to this game now thinking I was doing something wrong but I think it's just fundamentally broken. Pretty embarrassing to sell a game like this If it weren't for steams crap refund policy I'd have refunded it at the five hour mark. Maybe I'll check in on th egame in six months and see if it's playable at that point. But til then I told my group of friends that were excited to try it out after so much stellaris to keep their wallets closed.

If you can PM zgrssd, he will tell you the secret that nothing is wrong with the game. And that you must be some kind of nut job for pointing out the obvious. There are people on this forum who want to help other players. He is not one of them.

Last I heard you uninstalled the game and never wanted to come back.
So why are you even on this Forum?

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:31 pm Can anyone give me a primer on how the influence expansion and pressure works? Like if I'm at war with a neighbor can I just wipe out all their stations in the border systems to push back their territory?

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:31 pm Can anyone give me a primer on how the influence expansion and pressure works? Like if I'm at war with a neighbor can I just wipe out all their stations in the border systems to push back their territory?

zgrssd wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:12 pm

grumble314 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:17 pm Do column 9 techs do anything at the moment a lot of them state reducing size but see no component size reduction after doing the research?

As far as I can tell, none of the technologies in Distant Worlds 2 state anything.

So I am not sure if you are even asking for the right game.

HateVagueManuals wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 pm

zgrssd wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:12 pm

grumble314 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:17 pm Do column 9 techs do anything at the moment a lot of them state reducing size but see no component size reduction after doing the research?

As far as I can tell, none of the technologies in Distant Worlds 2 state anything.

So I am not sure if you are even asking for the right game.

Actually they do claim to reduce ship maintenance among other things.

zgrssd wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 pm

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:31 pm Can anyone give me a primer on how the influence expansion and pressure works? Like if I'm at war with a neighbor can I just wipe out all their stations in the border systems to push back their territory?

Territory only blocks other Empires from colonizing and building new mining stations.
But stations already placed and counquered stay where they are. And cause a relationship penalty.

Note that if you defeat a empire or pirate, most of the ships will join you.
Also you can demand "contested" mining stations via diplomacy, including the peace deal.

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:47 pm

zgrssd wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 pm

jaweknee530 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:31 pm Can anyone give me a primer on how the influence expansion and pressure works? Like if I'm at war with a neighbor can I just wipe out all their stations in the border systems to push back their territory?

Territory only blocks other Empires from colonizing and building new mining stations.
But stations already placed and counquered stay where they are. And cause a relationship penalty.

Note that if you defeat a empire or pirate, most of the ships will join you.
Also you can demand "contested" mining stations via diplomacy, including the peace deal.

That... wasn't an answer to my question. How does the territory expansion and pressure work? What determines if a system becomes part of an empires territory? Is it just population from colonies? Does station count in a system affect it? If there's a border system that changes empires what caused that flip?