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Turn 173, 5th october 1944

The cherry on the cake, another russian tank corps trapped South of Kiev



Dniepr is no longer a barrier in the South



The losses, heavy fights

An overview of the summer campaign.

The early retreat behind the Dniepr was a good decision as russian units were far from railhead and that axis units benefited from a good defensive terrain.

I had thought that the landbridge woul have hold longer ... but red army was really too strong.

We now still hold Kiev, Leningrad, white Russia and all western Ukraine... time for new adventures!

Good counterattack at Vilnius. I am surprised by the retreat path taken by the Soviets, I would have expected two of the Tank corps to go to the Swamp hex with the 20=90 rifle corps in it.

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

Good counterattack at Vilnius. I am surprised by the retreat path taken by the Soviets, I would have expected two of the Tank corps to go to the Swamp hex with the 20=90 rifle corps in it.

True, but 2 MP to enter a light forest hex, 6 MP for a swamp hex... AI selected the easier path

But the retreat path I suggested had one less ZOC to ZOC movement and is less costly. Maybe the retreat algorith does only consider MP costs from terrain and not from ZOC in its calculation. Someone needs to break in in Gary Grigsby's or morvaels office and steal the secret formula.

I believe you're right only if you consider that there is no ZOC through impassable hex.

I didn't find the rule about that.

1942 scenario has a good place to test this at velikie lukie, I just did it to confirm my memory. There is no ZOC through impassable hexagons.

There is no ZOC through impassable hexagons.

Don't you mean impassable hexsides. Would be difficult to verify if a ZOC extended into an impassable hexagon, and perhaps not too critical.

You are right, I mean the blue dotted lines. Impas

Usually, it's a period without significant action. This time air units are on duty over surrounded units

Turn 178, 9th november 1944

Mud is over, time to harvest!

Near Minsk



And near Kiev



We give some ground in the South to shorten the line



The losses, simply amazing for a november 1944 week!



And the OOB, russian AFV below 25k!

At this stage, how long does it take to rebuild 4 (experienced?) tank/cav corps ?

This is impressive! To destroy a few tank corps would be a dream that every german commander in 1944 dared not to hold.

ORIGINAL: Balou

At this stage, how long does it take to rebuild 4 (experienced?) tank/cav corps ?

6-8 months. They are effectively lost for the war.

The detail of destroyed russian units:

6 tank corps, 2 cav corps, 1 mech corp, 17 tank régiments ...

Tank regiments will be disbanded i will use SU regiment instead. Others will return in the fight.

that was alot of soviet heavy tanks, be hard to replace all that combat power lost. Esp long term morale/exp.

Turn 179, 16th november 1944

Soviets resume offensive in the center.



And in Ukraine



Always some lack of Manpower to fill the army