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Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:06 pm**

It could be too much for me to deal with all at once too! [:D]

At the time they quipped the invasion of Guadalcanal should be code named operation Shoestring, and that applies double to this op.

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:29 pm**

How about Operation Threadbare instead?

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:15 pm**

I was thinking "Shoeless Joe", meaning there isn't even a Shoestring.

Posted: **Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:42 pm**

I almost always wear shoes due to missing parts . . .

Besides, this is not baseball. If he is attacking multiple bases as if he is trying to throw a blanket over everything, it may not be able to cover it all due to lack of assets hence it is threadbare.

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:38 am**

I already decided on an op name but was waiting to reveal it.

Cantankerous Olfactory

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:06 am**

[:D] Operation CO, PERFECT! blame built right into the name. Sorry about not elaborating on SST, yes, sub transport, oft neglected
mode of transport available. Just a thought when something looks like a free grab.

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:36 am**

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

[:D] Operation CO, PERFECT! blame built right into the name. Sorry about not elaborating on SST, yes, sub transport, oft neglected
mode of transport available. Just a thought when something looks like a free grab.

I did the conversions to those 3 subs so they are ready to go. Both before and after conversions they ferried Supply to Horn Island and later Darwin. Three Raider Bns will be on Roi-Namur, so the SST's will be perfect for taking them to seize unoccupied bases.

Joe's idea for the paras can be used for either empty or occupied bases, provided they aren't much occupied (as the para forces available are small).

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:29 pm**

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I almost always wear shoes due to missing parts . . .

Besides, this is not baseball. If he is attacking multiple bases as if he is trying to throw a blanket over everything, it may not be able to cover it all due to lack of assets hence it is threadbare.

[:D]
One of those odd coincidences - I was thinking Shoeless Joe before you posted and it never occurred to me that your post name is Range Joe, so I was not trying to play on your name! The link was the word Shoe. And I should have mentioned that I though Threadbare was pretty good too.

Having trouble with Cantankerous Olfactory though - us old cantankerous types have almost no olfactory sense any more ...

Posted: **Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:00 pm**

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I almost always wear shoes due to missing parts . . .

Besides, this is not baseball. If he is attacking multiple bases as if he is trying to throw a blanket over everything, it may not be able to cover it all due to lack of assets hence it is threadbare.

[:D]
One of those odd coincidences - I was thinking Shoeless Joe before you posted and it never occurred to me that your post name is Range Joe, so I was not trying to play on your name! The link was the word Shoe. And I should have mentioned that I though Threadbare was pretty good too.

Having trouble with Cantankerous Olfactory though - us old cantankerous types have almost no olfactory sense any more ...

Well, it is supposed to be a secret name! [:D]

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:21 pm**

1942 June 08

INVADED
Amphibious TF 63 unloading at Taberfane
Batavia, Changsha, Padang are also invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP
Saumlaki is occupied by the Japanese
Japanese forces CAPTURE Taberfane !!!

Overall
• No carrier sightings.

West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
• Enemy sub activity near Pearl Harbor. An ASW TF has formed and will sweep back and forth over the area.

• The troop convoy with several support units has DL 1/0. The aircraft convoy following is diverting to avoid the immediate area. No other convoys have contact.

Pacific
• Enemy sub activity near Pago Pago. The tanker convoy sighted by enemy sub aircraft yesterday has broken contact.

• Another one near Kusaie Island.

Submarine attack near Kusaie Island at 123,116

Japanese Ships
xAKL Ujigawa Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Tautog, hits 1

xAKL Ujigawa Maru is sighted by SS Tautog
SS Tautog attacking xAKL Ujigawa Maru on the surface
SS Tautog low on gun ammo, Willingham, J.H. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

During combat animation of that attack the main map also showed a TF near to the Marshall Islands. The Empire might just be supplying but more likely they are reinforcing as they must.

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
• Enemy sub activity near King Island, Portsea, Brisbane, Sydney.

• Fuel unloading at Melbourne; Fuel unloading at Sydney.

• Cloncurry airfield is size 4.

• No sign yet of the advancing Imperial land forces in NW Australia. We do not have aerial recon running up there just yet.

Philippines

DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya
• More Imperial units arrive at Batavia.

Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 807 troops, 76 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 753

Defending force 16502 troops, 130 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 210

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
38th Division
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
XII KNIL Battalion
I Marechausse Cdo
XIV KNIL Battalion
X KNIL Battalion
1st Cav Sqdn
I Landstorm Cdo
XI KNIL Battalion
IV Landstorm Cdo
ML-KNIL
HQ I KNIL Division
KNI Leger
1e-VLG-III Sup Afd
3e-VLG-III Sup Afd
Batavia Defenses
A-I-Ld AA Battalion
KNI Zeemacht
ABDA
Batavia KM Base Force
2e-VLG-III Sup Afd
2e-VLG-V Sup Afd

• The rest of the DEI is being cleaned up quickly.

China
• Air strikes and bombardments. We are trying to hold our own. They are wearing us down near Sian but I hope to hold that town long enough to get the large reinforcement unit which arrives about July 21st.

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
• Two air transport Sqns sent to India by ship have arrived by rail at Ledo and will join the airlift.

Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia
• Our sub Drum west of Formosa has DL 10/10. It's good they know we care.

Complete combat report attached.

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:36 pm**

Shoeless Joe would be fine if he were trying to take one base at a time. Shoeless Joe for a paratrooper attack on a marginally defended base would be fine since it would be trying to steal that base against a distracted player. A threadbare blanket or cloth would try to cover everything but might not be able to.

But I do have a tenuous connection with Shoeless Joe due to Doc Graham. [;)]

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:43 pm**

If you can, try to buy out those VLG-III Sup Afd units, or at least one of the smaller ones that combine into larger ones and get them out of the DEI. Having more air support units, even the small ones, to spread around can be quite useful and they should not cost too much.

If you transport air units by rail on Java between two cities that will have the rail lines cut and then the starting base captured, they will be stuck during transport and never get to a base. That accidentally happened to me during one game and they were still in the queue until I rescued them by recapturing a base. [:D]

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:45 pm**

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

If you can, try to buy out those VLG-III Sup Afd units, or at least one of the smaller ones that combine into larger ones and get them out of the DEI. Having more air support units, even the small ones, to spread around can be quite useful and they should not cost too much.
I did last game but not this game. I might buy back the destroyed units if I can be certain of where they will come back (don't want them stuck in queue waiting for the liberation of Java).

If you transport air units by rail on Java between two cities that will have the rail lines cut and then the starting base captured, they will be stuck during transport and never get to a base. That accidentally happened to me during one game and they were still in the queue until I rescued them by recapturing a base. [:D]
I solved that problem: I only have one base on Java! [:D]

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:39 pm**

If I remember correctly, the units bought back will come in at Aden along with any other Dutch reinforcements.

If they have taken damage, they might be cheap enough to buy out now and get just part of them to Australia where they can rebuild and be used to host training/rear echelon squadrons at already built up bases.

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:16 am**

Dutch units will arrive in Aden. But screen them before buying out, since replacements only exist for generic squads like (air)support or engineers. Many of the airbases have tiny TOEs and are hardly worth reviving, infantry is not worth it at all IMHO.

Posted: **Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:27 am**

1942 June 09

INVADED
Batavia, Changsha are also invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP

Overall
• No carrier sightings.

• SoPac Area HQ has arrived at Pearl Harbor and will be transported to Pago Pago as resources allow with upcoming Cantankerous Olfactory.

• I am looking for preparation targets for the USA 160 Inf Rgt, 185 Inf Rgt, and 41 Inf Div. The two Rgts are part of the 40th Inf Div, the other Rgt of which will invade Roi-Namur with other units. I have enough PP to buy out one Inf Rgt now but will have to accumulate PP for the other one and the division; I could also wait and buy the division first. I'm thinking over Nauru or Ponape for the division, although Ponape might require more than a single division, and Marcus for the two regiments. In 4 days the USMC 22 Rgt arrives, and in 14 days the USMC 3 Div. After then no significant US infantry for a couple of months.

• Lexington's TB group upgraded to Avenger's. We should have time to upgrade Yorktown's group but Hornet and Wasp might have to sail with Devastator's.

West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
• Enemy sub activity near Pearl Harbor.

• The various convoys all have no contact.

Pacific
• Enemy sub activity near Pago Pago.

• More activity.

Sub attack near Ponape at 122,113

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi

Allied Ships
SS Triton

SS Triton launches 4 torpedoes

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
• Enemy sub activity near Portsea, Brisbane, Belep Islands, Aoba Island,

• Fuel unloading at Melbourne; Fuel unloading at Sydney.

• Alice Springs airfield is size 3.

• Still no contact with Imperial ground units. Supply is hard to come by at the forward positions.

Philippines

DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya
• Small victories.

Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 49,98 (Batavia)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
B-339D x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
64th Sentai with Ki-43-Ib Oscar (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead

On ground attack they shot down an interceptor!

China
• Worrying odds.

Ground combat at 84,42 (near Sian)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46008 troops, 503 guns, 866 vehicles, Assault Value = 1429

Defending force 42748 troops, 171 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 823

Japanese adjusted assault: 1228

Allied adjusted defense: 1003

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
533 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 45 (1 destroyed, 44 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2263 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
34th Division
17th Division
25th Division
11th Tank Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
57th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Cavalry Corps
115th Red Chinese Division

It's hard to tell what units participated in the attack, something which I would love to see in combat reports. In cases like this it matters a great deal.

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
• Enemy sub activity near Karachi.

Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia

Complete combat report attached.

Posted: **Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:52 am**

Thanks, guys. I am not sure when I will spring PP for those units. I'm a little in a hole PP-wise because I bought out all those Chinese Army units. BTW they are well over 1,300 AV at Ledo right now. [8D]

Posted: **Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:44 am**

On ground attack they shot down an interceptor!

They were probably being chased down low, dropped their bombs just anywhere and the resulting blast destroyed the enemy plane. The rest got scared by this new weapon and left. Or else the LCUs AA fire actually got the fighter since friendly fire is always more accurate than enemy fire. Since the game can't model these, it showed what it could.

In a turn last night in my game, 13 Devastators got 13 bomb hits dropping from 1000 feet, 30 squads destroyed on that xAK so they can do good work, they just don't have the range.

Posted: **Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:21 pm**

possible to slide another corp into that stack next to Sian, just to screw with his math? On the other hand I decided to take a slow
combat mode retreat from a similar situation hoping to buy some time in the woods.

Posted: **Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:36 pm**

1942 June 10

INVADED
Amphibious TF 50 offshore of Komodo
Amphibious TF 114 offshore of Babar
Changsha is invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP
Japanese forces CAPTURE Batavia !!!

Overall
• No carrier sightings.

• What does the release of major ground forces from Java mean? How will it affect Cantankerous Olfactory?

West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
• Enemy sub activity near Pearl Harbor. All convoys report no contact.

• Trying to clear the lane for the incoming troop convoy.

ASW attack near Pearl Harbor at 181,106

Japanese Ships
SS I-1, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Dewey

SS I-1 is located by DD Dewey
DD Dewey attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-1 eludes DD Dewey by diving deep
DD Dewey cannot reach attack position over SS I-1
DD Dewey fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dewey fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dewey attacking submerged sub ....
DD Dewey loses contact with SS I-1
SS I-1 eludes DD Dewey by diving deep
DD Dewey is out of ASW ammo
DD Dewey fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Pacific
• The tanker convoys and other passing south of the Fiji-Samoa line report no contacts.

• Got one for sure!

Sub attack near Ebadon at 130,113

Japanese Ships
AV Kamoi, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Tuna

SS Tuna attacking on the surface

Same one Triton saw yesterday.

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
• Enemy sub activity near Sydney, Brisbane, Portsea

• Sightings of enemy ships east of Australia but nothing on the map.

• Two fast troop transports which proceeded most of the way from the US West Coast without escort have merged with escorts in the Tasman Sea and are heading into Sydney with two artillery units (one FA, one AT).

• Still no sign of the Imperial troops in NW Australia.

• Brisbane airfield is now size 9. Daly Waters has built fortifications to level 2.

Philippines

DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya
• Dragons take a bite out of the landing force. Har har.

Amphibious Assault at Komodo (63,111)

TF 50 troops unloading over beach at Komodo, 63,111

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)

15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 41st Nav Gd
17 troops of a SNLF Inf Squad 41 lost overboard during unload of 41st Nav Gd /4

• That was quick!

Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32615 troops, 313 guns, 483 vehicles, Assault Value = 1043

Defending force 16464 troops, 129 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 210

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1164

Allied adjusted defense: 277

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batavia !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
FK-51: 1 destroyed
B-339D: 1 destroyed
T.IVa: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
757 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23293 casualties reported
Squads: 215 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1186 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 145 (145 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 20

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
38th Division
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
X KNIL Battalion
XIV KNIL Battalion
I Marechausse Cdo
I Landstorm Cdo
XII KNIL Battalion
1st Cav Sqdn
XI KNIL Battalion
IV Landstorm Cdo
KNI Zeemacht
KNI Leger
ML-KNIL
ABDA
2e-VLG-III Sup Afd
1e-VLG-III Sup Afd
Batavia KM Base Force
A-I-Ld AA Battalion
3e-VLG-III Sup Afd
HQ I KNIL Division
Batavia Defenses
2e-VLG-V Sup Afd

China
• A little better odds this day, but they are hammering away and we are taking losses. Down to 483 AV now and will probably be retreated by the next full assault.

Ground combat at 84,42 (near Sian)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45579 troops, 503 guns, 866 vehicles, Assault Value = 1371

Defending force 40903 troops, 166 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 638

Japanese adjusted assault: 778

Allied adjusted defense: 1168

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
598 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 70 (7 destroyed, 63 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1978 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 132 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 19 (3 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
25th Division
15th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
34th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
17th Division
13th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
12th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Cavalry Corps
115th Red Chinese Division

• Surprised these guys held at all (they were just retreated).

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26353 troops, 198 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 704

Defending force 8654 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 164

Japanese adjusted assault: 534

Allied adjusted defense: 310

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
673 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Allied ground losses:
812 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 75 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
26th Division

Defending units:
21st Chinese Corps
1st Construction Regiment
7th Construction Regiment
69th Chinese Corps
2nd Construction Regiment
1st War Area

• The base force from Sining has made it all the way into Urumchi.

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
• Enemy sub activity near Karachi, Bombay.

Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia

• Vladivostok port is now size 9. The base is maxed out in size and fortifications.

Complete combat report attached.

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