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Here's one of the unfortunate knock-on effects - rural areas being left without much in the way of medical services when their few medical professionals fall ill and/or self-isolate. I fear the US may be especially vulnerable to this, given the low population density in many states and accelerated closure of rural hospitals in the past decade:

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/statu ... 4918065155

"The one doctor in Clay County, GA, has shut her clinic. She tells me, "Have a headache and achy today, no fever yet, so closed the office. We just got the test kits so I did one. Guy just called with 104 temp, directed him to ER." The ER is an hour drive away from town and around half the residents of Clay County, who are poor and elderly, don’t have the money or the transport to make such a long trip to the Emergency Room. They’re stuck."

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my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@]

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(]

I have some tuna cans in the back of my cupboards that you are welcome to have - gratis! I think I got them about 15 years ago ...
As for the TP, don't you get flyers in your mailbox? It's the modern version of the Sears and Roebuck catalogue! Between the colored inks and rough corners your backside should challenge a baboon's in no time! [8|]

you know what was funny; only the "standard" tuna or bean cans were out of stock; more exotic ones like sardines in olive oil, those with "the whole fish" in the can were still plentiful, I guess people in Toronto is not adventurous enough, not even in times of crisis, lol

and that is an interesting alternative; we will see once I run out of paper towel

my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans

You really need to try what's in the cans; even if you hate fish it tastes better.

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Here's one of the unfortunate knock-on effects - rural areas being left without much in the way of medical services when their few medical professionals fall ill and/or self-isolate. I fear the US may be especially vulnerable to this, given the low population density in many states and accelerated closure of rural hospitals in the past decade:

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/statu ... 4918065155

"The one doctor in Clay County, GA, has shut her clinic. She tells me, "Have a headache and achy today, no fever yet, so closed the office. We just got the test kits so I did one. Guy just called with 104 temp, directed him to ER." The ER is an hour drive away from town and around half the residents of Clay County, who are poor and elderly, don’t have the money or the transport to make such a long trip to the Emergency Room. They’re stuck."

Hopefully most folks have relatives or a good neighbour with a vehicle that they can call on, although the threat of the disease might make some reluctant. If the ill person sits in the back seat and breaths through a cloth or tissues the risk to the driver should be tolerable. Dr. Sanjay Gupta explained yesterday that the COVID-19 virus does not attach to dust particles and linger in the air the way some do. Instead it goes outward between 3 and 6 feet and drops to the surface where it usually deactivates quickly. Using something to stop projection of the breath should help a great deal.

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TAR and FEATHERS!!!


Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers”

https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/ ... ronavirus/

"A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀

According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.”

The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.”

Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89."

What you have described is a business enterprise, and the couple should have registered their business with local authorities and prepared books of their activity for the IRS so they can pay the appropriate taxes. If they have not done so, I hope they get caught. This is a smaller version of that Pharmacy company CEO who jacked up the price of Epi-pens (adrenalin for allergic reactions) by 6X just because his company held a monopoly on the product. It's immoral and probably illegal somewhere in the laws and precedents of the country.

The person who ran/runs the company who jacked up the price of Epi-pens is a woman. You should look her up and see who her parents are and what they do. You could also look up what she has donated money to as well.

The couple, if they are running their business out of their home, could also run afoul of residential/business ordinance codes. Especially if their home is in a residential only area.

Why buy toilet paper? Grow your own!

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

TAR and FEATHERS!!!


Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers”

https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/ ... ronavirus/

"A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀

According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.”

The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.”

Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89."

What you have described is a business enterprise, and the couple should have registered their business with local authorities and prepared books of their activity for the IRS so they can pay the appropriate taxes. If they have not done so, I hope they get caught. This is a smaller version of that Pharmacy company CEO who jacked up the price of Epi-pens (adrenalin for allergic reactions) by 6X just because his company held a monopoly on the product. It's immoral and probably illegal somewhere in the laws and precedents of the country.

Actually, you don't need to register as a business if you are a sole proprietor.

As long as they just claim it as "other income" on their tax return, they're completely above board as far as taxes are concerned.

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Why buy toilet paper? Grow your own!

or maybe follow advice #4: "use smooth stones", which are, I guess, 100% reusable!

but no, we are armchair generals here, not survivalist Rambos, we need our city comforts [;)]

According to John Hopkins link, looks like yesterday was the highest day on record for new confirmed cases (16.2k)

When it comes to testing, this is the kind of stuff that I've been hearing - just hard for people to get a test when they ask for it... Does anyone have any reports of easily walking into a hospital or doctor's office to get tested?



https://www.boredpanda.com/sick-man-coronavirus-getting-tested-usa/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@]

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(]

Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . .

Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . .
But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(]

Out here leaves look like this.

Analysis of the Chinese cases, from research I've read, leads me to think heat/humidity of summer months very well might reduce outbreak in the northern hemisphere. Hopefully, this turns out to be the case and gives us time to develop a vaccine, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@]

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(]

Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . .

Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . .
But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(]

Out here leaves look like this.

Haha well I guess there is always second opinion...

ORIGINAL: alanschu

According to John Hopkins link, looks like yesterday was the highest day on record for new confirmed cases (16.2k)

I presume that figure is worldwide. I am sure a lot of second and third world nations are just starting to get the capacity to test and know their numbers. Heaven knows how many may try and hide or downplay their numbers to encourage tourists to visit. During my 10 days in Jamaica there was no information on COVID-19 in that nation, although cruise ships were visiting and a steady stream of aircraft brought in visitors from many nations. I returned Feb. 27th when western governments were just starting to take major measures to find and isolate cases.

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Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . .

Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . .
But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(]

Out here leaves look like this.

Haha well I guess there is always second opinion...

Burn the needles off, eat the fruit as well as the insides of the cactus.

The Romans used sponges on a stick . . .

Meanwhile down here:

As at 06:30 hrs on 14 March 2020, there were 197 confirmed cases of coronavirus (COVID-19), including 3 deaths, in Australia.

Notwithstanding reasonably successful containment to date, some people are panic buying toilet rolls and pasta, to the point that supermarket chains are restricting sales per customer.

The latter is the fault of the sensationalist media, and also a result of people conflating what is going on overseas with what is (not) happening here at this point.

As to the former, there were steps taken at an early stage to test and where needed quarantine incoming travelers, together with wide ranging testing being made available. We are at the point now where sports events are being played without fans in the stadium; agricultural; shows (fairs) and the like are being cancelled. The government advisory is no gatherings of >500 persons, and a majority citizens are voluntarily adhering to that. The government has just activated a AU$2.4 billion health care plan which you can read about here: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/col ... -resources .

On an anecdotal level, I have acquaintances who, usually, spent some working hours working from home, and now doing that full time, and avoiding the office. Often this is an employer directed course of action. Handwashing supplies are being made available all about the place. Some people are walking around with masks on, despite this being not recommended for healthy people. I've noticed people at my gym washing their hands more, and helping wiping down the surfaces of the machines, etc. We'd like to think that taking early steps, and being aware of what daily measures to take, has positioned us to ride this out.

Or maybe it's just that its been hot.

The worrying aspect of the figures quoted below, is that Iran may be significantly under-reported at this time:

Across the world, there have been more than 140,500 confirmed cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) and more than 5,300 reported deaths.

Since the beginning of the outbreak, the majority of cases (80,981) and deaths (3,173) associated with COVID-19 have been reported from mainland China.

There have been more than 59,600 cases, including approximately 2,100 deaths, reported from 125 countries and regions outside mainland China.

The majority of deaths outside mainland China have been in Italy and Iran.

Testing figures:

This page contains some testing figures, with a column showing tests per 1m population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... 9-testing/

It should be noted that China and Iran are not included.

Translating that to 3 bands -

4 countries are/were testing more than 1 in 1,000 people - South Korea, Italy and Hong Kong, all understandable; and Bahrain is fairly adjacent to Iran, and may have a large contingent of Iranian workers in country.

8 countries are/were testing more than 1 in 10,000 people. They unsurprisingly include a few of countries adjacent to Italy, 2 of which are testing more than 1 in 5,000.

The others listed are less than 1 in 10,000.

What I find extraordinary is that the US is/was testing only 26 people per million. That is less than 1/10th of the per capita rate in Israel.

In Israel, the reaction to a spike in cases has been immediate and decisive - this is what is happening:

Coronavirus Cases in Israel Spike to 143, Nearly 2,500 Medical Officials Quarantined

Israel shutters schools over coronavirus, to set up mass facilities for mild cases ■ Government considering ordering closure of non-essential businesses ■ Indoor events of over 100 people banned ■ West Bank has 35 confirmed cases ... All foreigners are not be allowed into Israel, unless they can prove they are able to self-quarantine for 14 days upon their arrival.

Coronavirus is most contagious before and during the first week of symptoms https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... k-symptoms

'People stop making infectious virus once the body’s antibody response kicks in'