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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:55 pm
by wosung
Then what about a description like:

"German MIL represents all non-divisional ground combat assets: independant batallions (like the heavy Panzerabteilungen with Tiger Panzer), replacement regiments and Volkssturm units."

Regards

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:23 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: wosung
Then what about a description like:

"German MIL represents all non-divisional ground combat assets: independant batallions (like the heavy Panzerabteilungen with Tiger Panzer), replacement regiments and Volkssturm units."

Regards

I am a strong advocate of simply saying what you know about the unit. So, yes, I agree with Wosung on this.

Jesper, rather than have the disclaimer at the bottom, as you previously showed, how about placing it at the top? Keep it as short as possible but make it prominant. Then underneath that you could give an anecdote. You could always end the standard disclaimer with "For example, ..." That way each unit could have a unique writeup even though we have nothing specific to say about the unit. This could be combined with your idea of writing about the cities' experience in the war.

This could work out to be:, if something interesting is available about the city, then that is added below the standard disclaimer; failing to find sufficient items of note on the city, then some info about 'Militia' units in general could be added. The later could be definitions of the various types of of units that fall unit that label in WIF, or roles these units performed, or the process they went through to become integrated with the regular army units. or ...

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:03 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
Here are a few units from the minor countries.

Patrice, could you please change the font color for Saudi units (that should be in the ~CMI.CSV file) to white or yellow so it is easier to read. The black on dark green simply doesn't have enough contrast.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:06 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
Capitan is in charge of the land unit descriptions so I do not know who the authors of 3 writeups are.

Territorial units do not have a name per se. I think I'll add the word Territorial to the title box for this screen, for all territorial units; it looks like something is missing here.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:14 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
3rd and last in series.

Jesper, after looking at all your militia writeups I decided that your layout was better than my suggestion. The simple statement at the top and the disclaimer at the bottom looks a lot better than my idea. However, in general, if there is nothing to say about a bullet point, simply delete it (e.g., decorations, commander of note). Oh, and there is a third M10 unit in the game for which the same artillery unit writeup can be used - the British Wolverine.

These are looking fine to me.

Less than 1000 units remaining that need writeups, volunteer now before they are all gone!

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:33 pm
by jesperpehrson
I actually wrote those three :-)

I have been looking at the layouts via the program to see what works and what does not. I must say I do like MIL-layout and I am glad you agree Steve.

About the empty bulletpoints I agree and I have started removing those, even if I have not yet have had the time to revisit my early works.

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Actually there are only 880 units left to do and they are getting less by the minute! If anyone want to volonteer to do just one small country that is fine but we gladly accept those with bigger ambitions as well. On a personal note I must say this has been a lot of fun so far, reasearching and writing makes my detail knowledge of the war so much more profound.

I will attach my excel worksheet so you can see what countries are available and so on. The sheet is missing a few units but I will update it some day soon (Siam is missing for instance, I think)

EDIT: Hmm excel documents can not be attached...bummer.... ah well look at the one on page two til i figure out a good way to display it


RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:37 pm
by jesperpehrson
ORIGINAL: wosung

Then what about a description like:

"German MIL represents all non-divisional ground combat assets: independant batallions (like the heavy Panzerabteilungen with Tiger Panzer), replacement regiments and Volkssturm units."

Regards

Thanks Wosung,

I was looking at how I could improve the generic line and this looks fantastic! Thanks again!

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:11 pm
by Froonp
I looked for Subai River but did not find it, I would have placed its name on the map.
Would be cool when you mention some names to tell me, so that I look out and try to make them appear on the map, wouldn't it ?

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:01 pm
by Froonp
Patrice, could you please change the font color for Saudi units (that should be in the ~CMI.CSV file) to white or yellow so it is easier to read. The black on dark green simply doesn't have enough contrast.
About the color, would you have the list of colors and their translation in current language, because the entry for Saudi Arabia looks like this

122,Saudi Arabia,122,,74,88,-1,0,-1,0,0,0,,,-1,,KSA,51,,$00408000,clBlack,clBlack,clWhite,clBlack,clBlack,clBlack,0,-1,0,1,10,-1,0,0,0,0,75,90,0

I would have liked to try the same yellow that is used on the Belgian Congo unit, for which the code is :

148,Belgian Congo,81,,48,123,0,-1,0,0,0,0,,,-1,,BCO,89,,clBlack,clRed,clRed,clYellow,$00A1F7F7,$00A1F7F7,clGreen,0,0,0,3,0,-1,0,0,0,0,42,123,0

The color of the strength is $00A1F7F7.
Would you have a table where $00A1F7F7 is shown ?

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:25 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: Froonp
Patrice, could you please change the font color for Saudi units (that should be in the ~CMI.CSV file) to white or yellow so it is easier to read. The black on dark green simply doesn't have enough contrast.
About the color, would you have the list of colors and their translation in current language, because the entry for Saudi Arabia looks like this

122,Saudi Arabia,122,,74,88,-1,0,-1,0,0,0,,,-1,,KSA,51,,$00408000,clBlack,clBlack,clWhite,clBlack,clBlack,clBlack,0,-1,0,1,10,-1,0,0,0,0,75,90,0

I would have liked to try the same yellow that is used on the Belgian Congo unit, for which the code is :

148,Belgian Congo,81,,48,123,0,-1,0,0,0,0,,,-1,,BCO,89,,clBlack,clRed,clRed,clYellow,$00A1F7F7,$00A1F7F7,clGreen,0,0,0,3,0,-1,0,0,0,0,42,123,0

The color of the strength is $00A1F7F7.
Would you have a table where $00A1F7F7 is shown ?
What? This isn't intuitively obvious to the casual observer?

The colors are in hexadecimal ($) with the first two digits always 00 (02 here would indicate using 8 bit color instead of 24 bit color). The next 3 hexadecimal digit pairs are for BGR (backwards from RGB).

So, $00A1F7F7 translates as

00 - 24 bit color
$A1 - Blue ($A1 = 161 decimal)
$F7 - Green ($F7 = 247 decimal)
$F7 - Red

0 = none
$FF = 255 = maximum.

So, this color has less blue but almost maximum green and red. I don't know what that looks like - but it will be a bright color. To figure it out I would use CorelDraw which lets me create objects (e.g., a rectangle) for which I can set the RGB values of the fill.

The first Saudi color ($00408000) is the dark green for the country background colors. The colors, in order, are:

unit color, (i.e., background)
icon color, (used to fill medium level bitmaps)
land NATO outline color, (the frame for the box around the NATO symbol)
land NATO interior color, (the interior of the box for the NATO symbol for corps/army/army group)
strength text color, (used for all the factors, air/naval/land)
unit size color, (used for XXX, XXXX, and XXXXX and the country 3 letter abbreviation)
letter/division color (used for T for territorial, P for partisan, M for militia, and also for NATO interior color for divisions)

If you look at the Belgian unit you can see these colors at work. So the $00A1F7F7 appears pale yellow against a black background. It may or may not look the same against the Suadi dark green background.




RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:27 pm
by jesperpehrson
ORIGINAL: Froonp

I looked for Subai River but did not find it, I would have placed its name on the map.
Would be cool when you mention some names to tell me, so that I look out and try to make them appear on the map, wouldn't it ?

I must admit I have not checked it out myself but it is most likely running near Gambela and Jokau.

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:28 pm
by jesperpehrson
On other (good) news, Jimm has volonteered to do the Italians! Three cheers for him! [:D]

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:51 pm
by jesperpehrson
ORIGINAL: capitan
ORIGINAL: Froonp

I looked for Subai River but did not find it, I would have placed its name on the map.
Would be cool when you mention some names to tell me, so that I look out and try to make them appear on the map, wouldn't it ?

I must admit I have not checked it out myself but it is most likely running near Gambela and Jokau.

I have been looking for the river and I have not found it but I have been able to pinpoint Gambela and Jokau. The river seems to be called Sawbã today and pass through Nãsir in Sudan on it´s way to Gambela. Can you find it?

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:32 am
by Greyshaft
ORIGINAL: capitan

On other (good) news, Jimm has volonteered to do the Italians! Three cheers for him! [:D]
Thanks Jim. Welcome to the team.

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:36 am
by Neilster
I have been looking for the river and I have not found it but I have been able to pinpoint Gambela and Jokau. The river seems to be called Sawbã today and pass through Nãsir in Sudan on it´s way to Gambela. Can you find it?

The Janjaweed's camels drank it. [:@]

Cheers, Neilster

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:39 am
by Froonp
ORIGINAL: capitan
ORIGINAL: capitan
ORIGINAL: Froonp
I looked for Subai River but did not find it, I would have placed its name on the map.
Would be cool when you mention some names to tell me, so that I look out and try to make them appear on the map, wouldn't it ?
I must admit I have not checked it out myself but it is most likely running near Gambela and Jokau.
I have been looking for the river and I have not found it but I have been able to pinpoint Gambela and Jokau. The river seems to be called Sawbã today and pass through Nãsir in Sudan on it´s way to Gambela. Can you find it?
I only find Subat River (Sudan), a tributary to the White Nile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rivers_of_Sudan), that seems to be named the Baro River once in Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:R ... f_Ethiopia).

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:18 am
by jesperpehrson
ORIGINAL: Froonp
ORIGINAL: capitan
ORIGINAL: capitan

I must admit I have not checked it out myself but it is most likely running near Gambela and Jokau.
I have been looking for the river and I have not found it but I have been able to pinpoint Gambela and Jokau. The river seems to be called Sawbã today and pass through Nãsir in Sudan on it´s way to Gambela. Can you find it?
I only find Subat River (Sudan), a tributary to the White Nile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rivers_of_Sudan), that seems to be named the Baro River once in Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:R ... f_Ethiopia).

I think we are having trouble finding the same thing cause of languages.

For instance I would think that the Baro river is the White or Blue Nile (blue nile = Bahr al Azraq ; White Nile = Bahr al Abyad) in an Anglified version of the name.

Maybe even Subat is Sawbã in the same line of thinking.

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:42 am
by Froonp
I think we are having trouble finding the same thing cause of languages.

For instance I would think that the Baro river is the White or Blue Nile (blue nile = Bahr al Azraq ; White Nile = Bahr al Abyad) in an Anglified version of the name.

Maybe even Subat is Sawbã in the same line of thinking.
Baro river is not the White or Blue Nile, this I'm sure, I've looked it on maps.
The same river is named Sobat in Sudan and Baro in Ethiopia, I've put both names on the map [:D].

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:45 am
by jesperpehrson
ORIGINAL: Froonp
I think we are having trouble finding the same thing cause of languages.

For instance I would think that the Baro river is the White or Blue Nile (blue nile = Bahr al Azraq ; White Nile = Bahr al Abyad) in an Anglified version of the name.

Maybe even Subat is Sawbã in the same line of thinking.
Baro river is not the White or Blue Nile, this I'm sure, I've looked it on maps.
The same river is named Sobat in Sudan and Baro in Ethiopia, I've put both names on the map [:D].

Good! [:D] Glad we had that sorted!

The brisk walk tho congolese did is amazing. The distance is daunting and I can imagine that the terrain must have been challenging to say the least.

RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:33 pm
by jesperpehrson
The first submission from Jimm! In my opinion an excellent write-up! Keep up the good work!



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