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RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:03 am
by Kereguelen
ORIGINAL: DD696
But since you are on the AE team I suspect we should all be expected to bow to your knowledge and abilities. Since some members of the AE team do not bother testing out the AI routines, then I must wonder about the effort other members say they are putting into it, and I must truly question the quality of the testing that is being done.
Hi,
this has been said before by Joe W. and (of course) remains true: The AI has been given priority for the AE-Team for some months now. And the team (actually the programmers, spending many sleepless nights) did many changes that are currently being tested. Ostensibly this was not possible before because it did not make much sense to test certain things before code-changes were done. Quite simple.
K
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:27 am
by Yamato hugger
ORIGINAL: DD696
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
You dont need an AI to "test". In fact it works MUCH better without one for testing purposes. Unless of course you are testing the AI itself. I dont do that.
And I am on the AE team as well btw.
Would you care to attempt to prove that "fact"? I would be very interested in knowing how you can test out all the aspects of the game that the programming handles without making use of it. How do you test the fact that planes fly or do not fly unless they go thru the coding routines? How do you test the air combat routines? How do you test the surface to surface combat routines? They are AI routines just as sure as are the computer decisions that determine when and where to invade, defend, run a convoy, etc. It appears to me that without these countless AI routines there is not a game to work with.
But since you are on the AE team I suspect we should all be expected to bow to your knowledge and abilities. Since some members of the AE team do not bother testing out the AI routines, then I must wonder about the effort other members say they are putting into it, and I must truly question the quality of the testing that is being done.
I dont work for Matrix or 2x3 Games. I am not compensated in any way shape or form. I do it because I know the system and I want to see the game get better. I do not have access to the code. Therefore I dont have the ability to insert checks in the code to see what the AI is actually doing, and thus I dont "test" using the AI nor do I "test" the AI.
I have no intention or desire to "prove" anything to you. If you want to understand how computers and computer programs work, I suggest you sign up for some classes so you can understand it better. Because clearly you dont understand what it is you are trying to argue about.
I dont test AIs. I was a tester for Avalon Hills Third Reich and all they wanted from us was to test the AI. In dozens of games the AI never once threw me out of France even. IMHO (which means in MY humble opinion) AIs are good to learn the mechanics of a game. I personally have never found one to be a challenge in any game.
As far as "we should all be expected to bow to your knowledge and abilities" I dont give a crap what you do. I dont care for 1 second if you choose to listen to me or not frankly.
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:45 am
by VSWG
ORIGINAL: DD696
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
You dont need an AI to "test". In fact it works MUCH better without one for testing purposes. Unless of course you are testing the AI itself. I dont do that.
And I am on the AE team as well btw.
Would you care to attempt to prove that "fact"? I would be very interested in knowing how you can test out all the aspects of the game that the programming handles without making use of it. How do you test the fact that planes fly or do not fly unless they go thru the coding routines? How do you test the air combat routines? How do you test the surface to surface combat routines? They are AI routines just as sure as are the computer decisions that determine when and where to invade, defend, run a convoy, etc. It appears to me that without these countless AI routines there is not a game to work with.
These parts of the code aren't called AI, they are just game mechanics. When Yamato Hugger talks about the AI, he means the tactical and strategic decisions made by a computer opponent.
It really doesn't make sense to test the AI before the game mechanics are working, and these are best tested in a head-to-head game, so that the tester can controll all variables, on both sides.
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:24 pm
by Gem35
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
Glad to hear it. No clue what you are talking about, but congrats.
Eveyone has heard of the
The AE- Team[8D]
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:10 pm
by DD696
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
ORIGINAL: DD696
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
You dont need an AI to "test". In fact it works MUCH better without one for testing purposes. Unless of course you are testing the AI itself. I dont do that.
And I am on the AE team as well btw.
Would you care to attempt to prove that "fact"? I would be very interested in knowing how you can test out all the aspects of the game that the programming handles without making use of it. How do you test the fact that planes fly or do not fly unless they go thru the coding routines? How do you test the air combat routines? How do you test the surface to surface combat routines? They are AI routines just as sure as are the computer decisions that determine when and where to invade, defend, run a convoy, etc. It appears to me that without these countless AI routines there is not a game to work with.
But since you are on the AE team I suspect we should all be expected to bow to your knowledge and abilities. Since some members of the AE team do not bother testing out the AI routines, then I must wonder about the effort other members say they are putting into it, and I must truly question the quality of the testing that is being done.
I dont work for Matrix or 2x3 Games. I am not compensated in any way shape or form. I do it because I know the system and I want to see the game get better. I do not have access to the code. Therefore I dont have the ability to insert checks in the code to see what the AI is actually doing, and thus I dont "test" using the AI nor do I "test" the AI.
I have no intention or desire to "prove" anything to you. If you want to understand how computers and computer programs work, I suggest you sign up for some classes so you can understand it better. Because clearly you dont understand what it is you are trying to argue about.
I dont test AIs. I was a tester for Avalon Hills Third Reich and all they wanted from us was to test the AI. In dozens of games the AI never once threw me out of France even. IMHO (which means in MY humble opinion) AIs are good to learn the mechanics of a game. I personally have never found one to be a challenge in any game.
As far as "we should all be expected to bow to your knowledge and abilities" I dont give a crap what you do. I dont care for 1 second if you choose to listen to me or not frankly.
I worked for a good many years as a senior systems analyst, before that as a systems analyst, senior programmer and programmer. I have no need to go to school to learn about computers and programs.....been there, done that. Have a nice day.
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:13 pm
by whippleofd
RTLFC
IBTL
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:54 pm
by pompack
ORIGINAL: Whipple
RTLFC
IBTL
well said! I think [&:]
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:02 pm
by whippleofd
ORIGINAL: pompack
ORIGINAL: Whipple
RTLFC
IBTL
well said! I think [&:]
Replying to last for convience.
In before the lock.
Whipple
RE: Jap Player running turn multiple times
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:11 am
by aciddrinker
running turn multiple times
I my suggestion's:
1) Japan player making moves
2) Execute
3) And now: some 3rd party program(or some mod in game) automatically save (pre-selected in options) files and auto send to opposing side.
4) Same for Ally.