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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

The money I spent on WITP is far from money being thrown away foolishly. Five years later it continues to take up at least an hour of my time each day. I can't think of too many entertainment purchases that have given me so much value for so little cost... 

Well said bradfordkay.
I've been playing WITP for many years...
And I expect to play WITP AE with my grandchildren when they'll eventually appear. [:D]

Considering i have been played WitP since it came out all those years ago imo the price for AE is a very fair one for the hours and hours of entertainment it will provide...if you dont want to pay the money for a service you dont have to, no-one is holding a gun to your head [:D]

If matrix was passing out free $100.00 dollar Bills, someone would complain "What, all you have is a Hundred, no 5's, no 10's, no 20's? how am I going to cash this?.. There is one in every group.

More than one, actually...

Come on guys

if it comes to GCPM/B (Game cost per minute/Bucks) - UV/WitP is unsurpassed in my book.

I found a copy of UV in a store in Germany which has gone out of business long since - took it home because some web site (combat sim or some such) published a favourable review of it.

However - UV got me interested in the format, and I sure got me a copy of WitP. It certainly outlived any game on my puters HD.
As the old wit goes: I got assimilated !

Anyway: WitP/AE is quite certain to have some shortcomings/issues.
But who to complain to if the cost of publishing a title - and therefore the cost of listening to complaints / suggestions is not covered ?

Whatever: Get the word out it is coming. The more customers, the more PBM opponents.

Cheers

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

The money I spent on WITP is far from money being thrown away foolishly. Five years later it continues to take up at least an hour of my time each day. I can't think of too many entertainment purchases that have given me so much value for so little cost... 

It was for me. Now WIR OTOH, despite that I don't play it anymore, would probably dwarf most anyone's playtime on WITP. Maybe if I feel like throwing another 59.99+ (AE) into this game, then maybe it will be playable for me.

The money I spent on WITP is far from money being thrown away foolishly. Five years later it continues to take up at least an hour of my time each day. I can't think of too many entertainment purchases that have given me so much value for so little cost...

Like you I may only play an hour or so a day, yet the time spend thinking about the game is much greater. The value of this game as a hobby is immense.

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

One important thing to realize is that if AE were a true stand-alone game with no WITP required, the price for AE would be significantly higher.

Regards, - Erik



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I said two versions. One extension for witp users with whatever price you guys are thinking about.
Another standalone for new users with a standalone game like price. Hey it could have been even the same value of witp+AE, if a gamer doesn't have to install witp to play AE it is already a benefit over current intended system.

Yawn... This whole thing is getting boring.

Buy the game or don't buy the game, it's up to you. Matrix isn't forcing you, Henderson Field Designs isn't forcing you, Al Quaida isn't forcing you, so don't try to make it their fault.

If you decide not to get on a bus before it leaves the station, don't blame the bus driver.

THE END.

Charles_22
This is a really simple decision, if it is not worth the money to you don't purchase it.   Maybe you should spend that next couple of months reading the AE AARs and forums, that way you can make a more informed decision if the price is worth it. 

ORIGINAL: drw61

Charles_22
This is a really simple decision, if it is not worth the money to you don't purchase it.   Maybe you should spend that next couple of months reading the AE AARs and forums, that way you can make a more informed decision if the price is worth it. 

Sheesh, what do you think I have been doing the past months? It's not a different game; simple as that. I'm still debating whether $60+ for a fix with some cosmetic changes, is either ripping me again or is a costly adjustment to make WITP playable. And no, micromanagement doesn't scare me, as I don't consider that a broken part of WITP. The bottom line is either I gamble and get it when it comes out, and seeing the response I have seen for some people who are trying to reinstall WITP on a newer computer, I'm none too encouraged that such a thing has any reliability, or I do the sane thing and study the real AE, the one I see where the problems start becoming much more apparent through the forum afterwards. Still on the fence.

Your right,you probably wouldn't like it.It certainly seems to already be causing you some emotional angst.

Well, if you're going to make a decision like this based on no data whatsoever, then that's your prerogative. Just don't try to make it our problem.

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, if you're going to make a decision like this based on no data whatsoever, then that's your prerogative. Just don't try to make it our problem.

I guess not agreeing with somebody amounts to not reading the forums for some people. Go figure! Predicting the AE price within a penny, for something Eric said "once" is hardly the trait of somebody knowing anything, but just go shooting off your mouth some more T, it's what you're good at![:@]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, if you're going to make a decision like this based on no data whatsoever, then that's your prerogative. Just don't try to make it our problem.

I guess not agreeing with somebody amounts to not reading the forums for some people. Go figure! Predicting the AE price within a penny, for something Eric said "once" is hardly the trait of somebody knowing anything, but just go shooting off your mouth some more T, it's what you're good at![:@]

No worries Terminus. Nobody thinks much about the cockroaches after the exterminator comes.

Too bad he's overdue...

Anyway, like I said, it's his prerogative to make decisions made on whatever data he thinks he has.

ORIGINAL: Dili
I said two versions. One extension for witp users with whatever price you guys are thinking about.
Another standalone for new users with a standalone game like price. Hey it could have been even the same value of witp+AE, if a gamer doesn't have to install witp to play AE it is already a benefit over current intended system.

I'd have to disagree with that. WITP is an excellent game in its own right and has scenario content that is not in AE. Getting both for the same price instead of one would seem to me to be a benefit, rather than the other way around.

Charles,

ORIGINAL: Charles_22
Sheesh, what do you think I have been doing the past months? It's not a different game; simple as that. I'm still debating whether $60+ for a fix with some cosmetic changes, is either ripping me again or is a costly adjustment to make WITP playable.

Like it or not, you _are_ jumping to conclusions based on what appears to be a complete misunderstanding of the actual facts. AE is a heck of a lot more than a fix with cosmetic changes. Virtually every part of WITP has been either rewritten, adjusted or overhauled, including new combat, repair and economic systems as well as a completely new AI. The total development time put into AE is more than was invested in WITP. If it appears from screenshots and AARs similar to you superficially similar, then the dev team did its job of making WITP players feel at home in AE despite all the changes.

If you don't want to buy it, no problem, but continuing to claim that it's only a bug fix with cosmetic changes is fundamentally incorrect and I'm not going to give you a pass on that. You don't have AE, but you sure do have enough information to educate yourself and open your eyes to what has really been accomplished here.

Regards,

- Erik

It's really gentle that you don't simply ignore such postings!

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Charles,

ORIGINAL: Charles_22
Sheesh, what do you think I have been doing the past months? It's not a different game; simple as that. I'm still debating whether $60+ for a fix with some cosmetic changes, is either ripping me again or is a costly adjustment to make WITP playable.

Like it or not, you _are_ jumping to conclusions based on what appears to be a complete misunderstanding of the actual facts. AE is a heck of a lot more than a fix with cosmetic changes. Virtually every part of WITP has been either rewritten, adjusted or overhauled, including new combat, repair and economic systems as well as a completely new AI. The total development time put into AE is more than was invested in WITP. If it appears from screenshots and AARs similar to you superficially similar, then the dev team did its job of making WITP players feel at home in AE despite all the changes.

If you don't want to buy it, no problem, but continuing to claim that it's only a bug fix with cosmetic changes is fundamentally incorrect and I'm not going to give you a pass on that. You don't have AE, but you sure do have enough information to educate yourself and open your eyes to what has really been accomplished here.

Regards,

- Erik

If all this is true. Why do people have to own Vanilla to get AE? I think that's the thing that has me annoyed about the price. It would be one thing if it was a new off the shelf game, but requiring people to own Vanilla to run AE makes it a mod. And even if you call it an expansion...70 bucks for an expansion...ouch. I can think of no other examples where a game company (and Im sure about 20 fanboys are about to prove me wrong [:D]) releases an expansion that requires the original game and it costs as much. Given that you didn't pay the people who developed this for you...sounds like a money grab. Whatever, the price has pushed me on the fence. I am fairly certain one night in a frenzy of AAR readings I will purchase it, but I am squarely on the fence right now.