Page 5 of 11
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:31 pm
by Dili
Yeah that is a good idea since per script Indochina is Free French. Problem is if would US recognize it as heir of French Republic. Are you sure about B-24 order? i remember DB-7 tough.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:35 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Dili
The problem with upgrades is that the Japan was allied to Germany after September 40 , and Japan indeed requested Germany to not let aircraft go to French Indochina.
Completely irrelevant, since there's no Vichy.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:36 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Skyland
ORIGINAL: Terminus
This gives me the excuse to include some of the more advanced types to replace the antiques that were there historically.
If you are looking for an advanced upgrade of Potez 25, have a look on Bloch 174, Saint-Exupery's airplane.
Already done it.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:36 pm
by DuckofTindalos
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:38 pm
by Skyland
Yes 60 B24. Even 240 (!) "Boeing" surely be B-17, but not paid.
Source is the book "Les aides américaines économiques et militaires à la France, 1938-1960"
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:39 pm
by Dili
Completely irrelevant, since there's no Vichy.
So Germany didn't conquered France in your script? There are Aircraft Industry only in France as far as i know, and military planes only get out if Germans allow.
Yes 60 B24. Even 240 (!) "Boeing" surely be B-17, but not paid.
Thanks
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:43 pm
by Skyland
There was some assembly lines in North Africa, and all available french aircrafts received the order to fly to Africa few days before the Armistice.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:44 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Dili
So Germany didn't conquered France in your script? There are Aircraft Industry only in France as far as i know, and military planes only get out if Germans allow.
No, Metropolitan France HAS fallen, but the French military has relocated to North Africa. However, given the fact that there was peace in the Far East, new (US and British) aircraft have gone to units in the Mediterranean. The war there has been quite costly, so it's only now that some more modern planes have reached Indochina.
I don't intend to have the starting French types upgrading to more modern French types. The path will go from French to American aircraft.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:46 pm
by Dili
Okay i understand, North Africa in Free France hands. Planes can go to Asia. The problem is they need all planes they got in North Africa.
Edit: above text(corrected) was written before i have read Terminus post.
Explained.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:48 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Correct. That's why the most modern American types in Indochina at the start of my mod will be the Hawk and the Maryland.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:53 pm
by Dili
Yep makes sense.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:12 pm
by Dili
I had forgot about this site, it is in French but the script is like yours, the French continue fighting on. Maybe some info there that might help you.
http://www.1940lafrancecontinue.org/index.htm
French Naval OOB
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:16 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Here's the first of three posts on beginning OOB for the French in Indochina. Note that there's also going to be an expanded French presence in the South Pacific, but that'll come later.
For now, here's the starting strength of the Commandement Naval d'Indochine, headquartered at Cam Ranh Bay:
CA: Duquesne, Tourville.
CL: Lamotte-Picquet, Primaguet.
DD: Mogador, Bourrasque, Cyclone, Mistral, Tornade, Sirocco, Trombe.
SS: Redoutable, Archiméde, Fresnel, Pascal, Pasteur, Protée, Pégase.
PG: Amiral Charner, D'Entrecasteaux.
AMC: El Mansour, El Kantara.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:16 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Bookmarked that one ages ago, and have been stealing a bit here and there.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:22 pm
by Dili
You got in below website a fictional order of battle for Indochina in September 1941 with US equipemnt reinforcemnts including a Armoured unit with M2.
http://www.1940lafrancecontinue.org/FTL ... _09_41.htm
They put this Air Commands:Commandement Aérien d’Indochine (CAI), avec ses trois Zones Opérationnelles, Tonkin et Nord Laos (ZOTON, Hanoï), Annam et Centre/Sud Laos (ZOAL, Hué), Cochinchine et Cambodge (ZOCOC, Saïgon).
RE: French Naval OOB
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:29 pm
by chacal83000
ORIGINAL: Terminus
For now, here's the starting strength of the Commandement Navale d'Indochine, headquartered at Cam Ranh Bay:
If I can remove a small quirk : it should be :
Commandement Naval d'Indochine as you say "Un Commandement Naval" contrary to "Une Force Navale"...
RE: French Naval OOB
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:40 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Thanks. It's called "CNI" in the scenario, so...[;)]
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:41 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Dili
You got in below website a fictional order of battle for Indochina in September 1941 with US equipemnt reinforcemnts including a Armoured unit with M2.
http://www.1940lafrancecontinue.org/FTL ... _09_41.htm
They put this Air Commands:Commandement Aérien d’Indochine (CAI), avec ses trois Zones Opérationnelles, Tonkin et Nord Laos (ZOTON, Hanoï), Annam et Centre/Sud Laos (ZOAL, Hué), Cochinchine et Cambodge (ZOCOC, Saïgon).
I don't want to copy it completely. Look for an air OOB later.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:18 pm
by Dili
Sure part of the fun is what we create. But it is good to fill the holes, like those river boats and some other stuff.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:41 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Sheesh, I must look pretty comical reading French off my computer screen, with my tongue sticking out the side of my mouth and my finger pointing at the words.
Good practice, though...[:D]