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RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:37 pm
by lycortas
Another issue with the game is that with the Jumo 213E (actually the F) the plane armed and radared only reached 354mph. In June '44 with the correct engine the all weather day fighter (armament but no radar) reached 404mph.
The Night fighter, even with the correct engine only reached 385mph.
Mike
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:24 am
by Turner
Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:19 pm
by otisabuser2
To be fair, most sources that I have read, both online and in print, give the 2 glues and the delay being due to glue factory bombed. Many places just copy, or rather, "source" from one another, which causes the myths to become stone.
There is a common thread out there that those prototypes listed above crashed due to undercarriage failure ? No mention of glue. Inferences given that this was down to visibility issues and the tricycle undercart ?
What's the score there ?
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:52 pm
by lycortas
Focke-Wulf stated in the post war interviews that the undercarriage failure was due to weak glue connecting wooden struts except on the first where there was some arrangement problem on the tricycle gear.
One of my favorite set in stone is the performance of the N1K Japanese fighter. It is listed as a top speed of 360mph or so.
I read reports from both American and Japanese pilots that stated that the N1K was faster than any American fighter up to 20,000 feet.
How to reconcile that??
I went to the LoC and found the error. Japanese Army fighters tracked their speed in KPH. The Navy tracked in knots. It stated right there in the PTHINT's that the N1K's speed was 360knots. It was just a slight error, but it is now stone. I try to tell people about this and most disbelieve me.
Mike
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:53 pm
by Turner
LoC is that Library of Congress?
Would it be possible to provide a copy of that information? Regarding the N1K that is.
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:40 pm
by lycortas
Sorry, just my notes. There was a French man, name started with an 'L', he lived in Japan before the war. In '45 he was brought in by the USA as a translator for the PTHINT's, he was the one who started this error.
I spotted it because he correctly listed the A6M2 as 302 kts and the N1K1-J he listed at 363kts. Later in his appendices he adjusted these speeds to mph, presumably because the Americans asked him to, and he listed the A6M2 at 332mph and the N1K1-j at 363mph.
I think it was a simple error by an overworked man but no questioned it for 20 years and by then it was set in stone.
One of the easiest things to do is read up about the N1K1-j, it was regarded by everyone as a very clean, aerodynamic design. It was quite light by American standards, and was powered by a 1990hp engine. Then compare it's power to weight to any American or British fighter.
Then think about the speeds these compared aircraft reach. You will see the discrepancy.
You cannot get this info from the Library of Congress anymore because everything has been re-classified by my insane, paranoid government which thinks the flow of information is bad. If i had known we were going to reclassify this stuff i would have bought a hand scanner but i just took notes.
Mike
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:37 pm
by Turner
I can confirm your insane paranoid govt, the rest I do not know about that's why I asked. Interesting stuff, I might do a proper aerodynamic analysis of the N1KJ later to see if I can get results in line with what you propose.
I brought it up with the Aces High team at HitechCreations, they run a really serious online combat sim of WW2 era. They do thorough research of all planes they put in the game and their admin said he'd never heard of it. Wanted to know if you could give a relevant reference, file # or anything of the sort. Thanks anyway.
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:17 am
by lycortas
Sorry about that i am just a person interested in military history for gaming. I went to learn what i could for my mods and to help others with their mods, not to write a book.
If i had been doing proper research i would have kept better notes.
I did this in the mid to late 90's when i was much younger. My mother was a librarian so i knew the woman who worked with her who handled inter-library loans. I took much advantage of that to find obscure history books while i was in college.
One book i received said 'Library of Congress' so i asked this woman if we could request books from them. She said we could so i took lots of advantage of that.
Then, what, late 90's? The LoC stopped lending but you could still go there and view stacks and microfiche. So i took several trips to DC and availed myself of their research materials to help JCL with BTR research. I also went to Suitland to the Paul Garber facility and saw many beautiful aircraft from the war. I got some good pictures of a Do335 that an Australian man seems to own. I did not see it, just got pictures from a pilot.
Mike
RE: Fighter Sweep - Program Exploit or Great Way to Wipe out the LW?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:37 am
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
WAD
Yes, it is, but not as it would happen in real life.
The LW would divert planes to fields not under siege.
WAD in this case is an exploit.