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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

I've found the last three episodes pretty boring and a waste of time recording them. I want to see battle action not some guy doinking a woman old enough to be his mom. Nor some crazed fool who pee's in his pants and has to take a break from the action to some head shrink camp. Band of Brothers is 100x better than this stuff and had better actors.

From someone who chooses Ferret-Face Frank as a forum name, I'm not surprised by his response. Not enough blood & guts and too much sex -- ok, I'll forsake any comments about him and just say, judge it for yourself.

I've seen the first three eps and I agree with ferret face. It sucks.

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

It's been a long time since I read Sledge's book but iirc he wrote about the removal of gold teeth so it wasn't like Speilberg or Hanks just made up the character.

Yea, I think that is a good characterization of the war.

BTW, you think they will ever happen to mention the fact that the Japanese would rather commit suicide than be captured?

Probably not...

Ray (alias Lava)

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

I've found the last three episodes pretty boring and a waste of time recording them. I want to see battle action not some guy doinking a woman old enough to be his mom. Nor some crazed fool who pee's in his pants and has to take a break from the action to some head shrink camp. Band of Brothers is 100x better than this stuff and had better actors.

From someone who chooses Ferret-Face Frank as a forum name, I'm not surprised by his response. Not enough blood & guts and too much sex -- ok, I'll forsake any comments about him and just say, judge it for yourself.

I've seen the first three eps and I agree with ferret face. It sucks.

Thank you mjk428 I'm glad someone else appreciates a good war movie with action and not some silly drama queens peeing in their pants and spending an entire episode on IT. Why if that were Patton there he probably would have shot his penis off.

Well,i turned the first episode on and just couldnt get into it at all.I found it somewhat lackluster and eventually turned it off.

Fact was that americans at the time regarded the japanese as yellow, slant eyed monkeys as portrayed in propaganda and in slogans at the time. It was also a socially accepted view of Japanese peoples so physically and psychologically different to Americans

Nonsense. Before the war the Japanese were regarded as polilte little oriental people who liked to eat raw fish and ran arouknd in public in their bath robes. Americans had a hard time believing the stories of outrageous barbarism filtering out of China. It was only after Americans eperienced Japanese sadism first hand that propagadists began to portray them as the monsters they were. The irony is that due to 1940's era standards of public decency, propagandists understated Japanese barbarism. The reality was far worse than any fantasy a propagandist would be allowed to show on film. Even today, HBO would not dare show graphilc images of captured soldiers, nurses and civilians after the Japanese got done with them.

There was very good reason why Marines and Australian soldiers finished off any wounded japanese soldiers they found, and racism had nothing to do with it. South Pacific islanders, the Phillipinos, and the Chinese despised the Japanese even more than the Anglo American Allies. I suppose they were also "racists'.[8|]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Fact was that americans at the time regarded the japanese as yellow, slant eyed monkeys as portrayed in propaganda and in slogans at the time. It was also a socially accepted view of Japanese peoples so physically and psychologically different to Americans

Nonsense. Before the war the Japanese were regarded as polilte little oriental people who liked to eat raw fish and ran arouknd in public in their bath robes. Americans had a hard time believing the stories of outrageous barbarism filtering out of China. It was only after Americans eperienced Japanese sadism first hand that propagadists began to portray them as the monsters they were. The irony is that due to 1940's era standards of public decency, propagandists understated Japanese barbarism. The reality was far worse than any fantasy a propagandist would be allowed to show on film. Even today, HBO would not dare show graphilc images of captured soldiers, nurses and civilians after the Japanese got done with them.

There was very good reason why Marines and Australian soldiers finished off any wounded japanese soldiers they found, and racism had nothing to do with it. South Pacific islanders, the Phillipinos, and the Chinese despised the Japanese even more than the Anglo American Allies. I suppose they were also "racists'.[8|]

You've totally misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't implying that American society was inherrently racist at the time mate. Once the war broke out attitudes towards Japanese people hardened, containment camps for example! US/Aus soldiers finished those soldiers off because they were prone to be blown to bits by a grenade as they offered a dying foe water. As to the other nationalities you mention, they hated the Japs becasue the Japs beahved like total and utter bastards towards them!

The stories that came out of China were not initially believed just like the first trickle of reports about the Holocaust in Europe began to emerge for the simple reason that you state, ie it didn't enter the thinking of Western Democracies that institutional hatred on such scale would be tolerated. My arguement was that some of the messages coming across in The Pacific, ie the Speilberg quote another poster used further up, seem to address current issues rather than the issues of the times the show portrays. No matter how much we read, learn and try to understand I guess living through those times would be the only was of truly gauging public opinion. One thing for sure, I would also bayonet an enemy that would have tried to blow up any of my comrades or I when we've tried to help them.

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

I've found the last three episodes pretty boring and a waste of time recording them. I want to see battle action not some guy doinking a woman old enough to be his mom. Nor some crazed fool who pee's in his pants and has to take a break from the action to some head shrink camp. Band of Brothers is 100x better than this stuff and had better actors.

From someone who chooses Ferret-Face Frank as a forum name, I'm not surprised by his response. Not enough blood & guts and too much sex -- ok, I'll forsake any comments about him and just say, judge it for yourself.

I've seen the first three eps and I agree with ferret face. It sucks.

I think it's been entertaining. Although based on historical accounts, I never expected it to be 100% historically factual. Those are called documentaries. This is a drama set during the Pacific War. I also didn't expect, nor wanted it to be, a ten hour snuff film. Who in their right minds would want that? I believe that we will be seeing more battle scenes in the next few episodes. More then anything I like the fact that the story of the Pacific is finally being told. After BOB and SPR the Pacific and the ones who served there deserve some widespread recognition.

ORIGINAL: amps1963

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin




From someone who chooses Ferret-Face Frank as a forum name, I'm not surprised by his response. Not enough blood & guts and too much sex -- ok, I'll forsake any comments about him and just say, judge it for yourself.

I've seen the first three eps and I agree with ferret face. It sucks.

I think it's been entertaining. Although based on historical accounts, I never expected it to be 100% historically factual. Those are called documentaries. This is a drama set during the Pacific War. I also didn't expect, nor wanted it to be, a ten hour snuff film. Who in their right minds would want that? I believe that we will be seeing more battle scenes in the next few episodes. More then anything I like the fact that the story of the Pacific is finally being told. After BOB and SPR the Pacific and the ones who served there deserve some widespread recognition.

Were BoB and SPR documentaries? Were they snuff films?

I was really happy that they were giving the Pacific theater recognition. The Pacific just isn't very good and compared to the likes of BoB & SPR it's downright abysmal. Weak characters, mediocre acting, and worst of all, a modern political slant on history. The only reason it's the least bit watchable is the setting. What a shame they couldn't do the setting justice.

ORIGINAL: cantona2



You've totally misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't implying that American society was inherrently racist at the time mate.

I stand corrected, then. i'm so used to hearing about how Americans were no better than the enemies they fought against i resort to the Pavlovian response.

BTW, Italians, Germans, and other enemy aliens were also interned during world war II. Only the Japanese living near vital defense industries on the west coast were shipped off to internment camps. People of Japanese decent who lived inland went about their lives unmolested for the duration.

As for attitudes, the orignal version of Victory at Sea has cine camera film taken by an RAAF beaufighter strafing japanese troops in lifeboats in the slot. Nobody considered this a "warcrime" at the time because any Japanese troops that made it to shore on Guadalcanal were a potential threat to the abandoned marines on that island.

The pacific allies were pragmatists; not racists.

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: amps1963

ORIGINAL: mjk428



I've seen the first three eps and I agree with ferret face. It sucks.

I think it's been entertaining. Although based on historical accounts, I never expected it to be 100% historically factual. Those are called documentaries. This is a drama set during the Pacific War. I also didn't expect, nor wanted it to be, a ten hour snuff film. Who in their right minds would want that? I believe that we will be seeing more battle scenes in the next few episodes. More then anything I like the fact that the story of the Pacific is finally being told. After BOB and SPR the Pacific and the ones who served there deserve some widespread recognition.

Were BoB and SPR documentaries? Were they snuff films?

I was really happy that they were giving the Pacific theater recognition. The Pacific just isn't very good and compared to the likes of BoB & SPR it's downright abysmal. Weak characters, mediocre acting, and worst of all, a modern political slant on history. The only reason it's the least bit watchable is the setting. What a shame they couldn't do the setting justice.

I'm not sure where I eluded to SPR and BOB as snuff films. I don't think either were. Out of curiosity, how would you have done the Pacific differently if you had the reins?

ORIGINAL: amps1963



I'm not sure where I eluded to SPR and BOB as snuff films. I don't think either were. Out of curiosity, how would you have done the Pacific differently if you had the reins?

You didn't. You just made an assumption that for me to like The Pacific it would have to be a snuff film or documentary - even though I liked BoB & SPR just fine. So now we know that I like my war sagas well done.

Besides the obvious of casting better actors and hiring better writers, I would have aired the entire thing in a span of a couple of weeks. They waste 10 minutes at the start and 15 minutes at the end and it's just not good enough to pull that off. At minimum it should be shown in 2 hour chunks to allow the audience to give a hoot about the characters before being jerked back to reality. BoB was sharp & concise and each episode stood very well on its own - not so with The Pacific.

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: amps1963



I'm not sure where I eluded to SPR and BOB as snuff films. I don't think either were. Out of curiosity, how would you have done the Pacific differently if you had the reins?

You didn't. You just made an assumption that for me to like The Pacific it would have to be a snuff film or documentary - even though I liked BoB & SPR just fine. So now we know that I like my war sagas well done.

Besides the obvious of casting better actors and hiring better writers, I would have aired the entire thing in a span of a couple of weeks. They waste 10 minutes at the start and 15 minutes at the end and it's just not good enough to pull that off. At minimum it should be shown in 2 hour chunks to allow the audience to give a hoot about the characters before being jerked back to reality. BoB was sharp & concise and each episode stood very well on its own - not so with The Pacific.

I replied to your thread and not the poster that said they wanted battle action and not the other stuff. I apologize to you for that. And I agree with your idea of making the episodes longer. I'm okay with the casting so far except the choice of Jon Seda for Basilone. He's too soft and doughy looking.

I liked the Gunney on the firing range.  [:D]

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I liked the Gunney on the firing range.  [:D]

Best cast actor so far. Not too impressed with actor that plays Leckie. Sledge and SNAFU did a good job in ep 5, well the actors obviously!

Airfield assault in Episode 6 seems so familiar.  There was a mission in Call of Duty World at War that plays out in the same way.  That ruined building was really a tough nut to crack.

Anyway why didn't they use smoke to cover the advance?

ORIGINAL: cantona2

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I liked the Gunney on the firing range.  [:D]

Best cast actor so far. Not too impressed with actor that plays Leckie. Sledge and SNAFU did a good job in ep 5, well the actors obviously!

And he is an Aussie!

Episode 6, getting better all the time. Great action scenes and development of characters with Sledge and SNAFU. Preview snippet of 7 looks great as well.

This show is just getting better. I love it!

The battles could use som more introduction. Like what is the target, when is the combat going to happen, are there delays, preparations, plans, etc. Now all I see is bunch of people running around in different enviroments with explosions going on. They explain very briefly if at all the reasons behind it.

As for teh dialog I cant really get inside the head of these characters. They dont talk much just stare. They act weird without explanations. I dont understand them and I cant even remember their faces.

Can't wait till the series comes out on DVD, adds piss me off. 6 minutes of movie 5 minutes of adds yuck, no wonder I play computer games TV is crap.