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RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:33 pm
by raizer
amazing screenie where only 5 hexes have a unit stacked with one other-and prolly airbases lol
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:35 pm
by abulbulian
Well I was mainly talking about my Inf. If I look at start to see my Pz Units moral and exp tanking I'm probably just going to throw my hands up and retire. That was my only hope for anything and I did an incredible job to keep them warm, safe, and cozy. If it turns out their being improperly tainted by TOE upgrades.. well R.I.P. I don't even expect Joel would fine much value in continuing this game.
But well, maybe I should still to amused Bill and let him see what happens in this bizzare WW2 east front axis nightmare ... hehe
Yeah, Bill's a friend so I let him have his fun and he'll owe me big time!
[;)]
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:35 pm
by abulbulian
ORIGINAL: raizer
amazing screenie where only 5 hexes have a unit stacked with one other-and prolly airbases lol
They're not airbases, I can tell you that much.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:37 pm
by raizer
then they are stacks of doom [8D]
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:38 pm
by abulbulian
ORIGINAL: Senno
ORIGINAL: raizer
ORIGINAL: randallw
The manual says that taking on replacements, to fill losses, shouldn't decrease a unit's experience that much. It doesn't quite fit with the claims of Axis players saying their units are down to the 50's or 60's, probably from the high 80's or low 90's.
no its from losing battles during the blizz not being filled with replacements...
Not in my case. I had virtually decimated the AI's ability to make war, suffering very few attacks all through the winter. Yet my Infantry units still shrunk down, with a Panzer unit being decimated by the first TOE change in Spring 42. It had been 100% TOE and was leading the Spring offensive when it switched over, and went from 19-20 CV to 11....
Yikes, when you say spring... do you remember about when? I'm about to start last turn of March.
I feel your pain... [:(]
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:39 pm
by Senno
ORIGINAL: abulbulian
Well I was mainly talking about my Inf. If I look at start to see my Pz Units moral and exp tanking I'm probably just going to throw my hands up and retire. That was my only hope for anything and I did an incredible job to keep them warm, safe, and cozy. If it turns out their being improperly tainted by TOE upgrades.. well R.I.P. I don't even expect Joel would fine much value in continuing this game.
But well, maybe I should still to amused Bill and let him see what happens in this bizzare WW2 east front axis nightmare ... hehe
Yeah, Bill's a friend so I let him have his fun and he'll owe me big time!
[;)]
So had I with the Armored/Motorized. Everybody was 95%+ except for Lehr, which strangely decided it wanted to be 60% no matter what urban center I put it in, even all by itself. Then First Panzer switched TOE's and pfffttt all the air went out declining hugely in relative strength.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:04 pm
by bwheatley
ORIGINAL: abulbulian
Well I was mainly talking about my Inf. If I look at start to see my Pz Units moral and exp tanking I'm probably just going to throw my hands up and retire. That was my only hope for anything and I did an incredible job to keep them warm, safe, and cozy. If it turns out their being improperly tainted by TOE upgrades.. well R.I.P. I don't even expect Joel would fine much value in continuing this game.
But well, maybe I should still to amused Bill and let him see what happens in this bizzare WW2 east front axis nightmare ... hehe
Yeah, Bill's a friend so I let him have his fun and he'll owe me big time!
[;)]
Heh you're talking like i disagree with you about winter.
I agree rates need to be jacked up from 1% after history shows 3% return from combat injuries and 7% return from non-combat injuries. And how harshly german units in good defensive positions are dealt with during winter. Now those level 3 forts will help you against the winter attrition but in all the first battles i took out your level 3 forts with stacks of 9-12 units
So the combat worked out fine. Just have to make sure you have level 3 forts all the way back to retreat to to help prevent winter attrition. (when they fix it that is.)
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:14 pm
by bwheatley
Ok in 42 campaign.
there are 96 Ger inf divisions ( i'm ignoring regiments for now it's not relevant and the data should be fine with just divisions)
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9 divisions have morale in the 80's
44 divisions have morale in the 70's
the remainder are in the 60's
7 Divisions have xp in the 80's
6 Dvisions have xp in the 60's
the remainder (a lot) have xp in the 70's
What are your numbers ara?
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:33 pm
by Senno
ORIGINAL: abulbulian
ORIGINAL: Senno
ORIGINAL: raizer
no its from losing battles during the blizz not being filled with replacements...
Not in my case. I had virtually decimated the AI's ability to make war, suffering very few attacks all through the winter. Yet my Infantry units still shrunk down, with a Panzer unit being decimated by the first TOE change in Spring 42. It had been 100% TOE and was leading the Spring offensive when it switched over, and went from 19-20 CV to 11....
Yikes, when you say spring... do you remember about when? I'm about to start last turn of March.
I feel your pain... [:(]
Yes, I think. It was 2-3 turns after mud ended, so in latest June or early July. I didn't kick off the offensive until after the very last mud turn of June 19. I didn't attack earlier as I didn't want to risk being cut off in a mud week and be unable to rescue the Panzers.
Sorry that I missed this earlier.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:47 pm
by bwheatley
Most of the tanks have 80's XP and very good morale. in the 42nd campaign.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:24 pm
by randallw
ORIGINAL: raizer
ORIGINAL: randallw
The manual says that taking on replacements, to fill losses, shouldn't decrease a unit's experience that much. It doesn't quite fit with the claims of Axis players saying their units are down to the 50's or 60's, probably from the high 80's or low 90's.
no its from losing battles during the blizz not being filled with replacements...
Losing battles does drop morale but should not automatically drop
experience too.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:40 pm
by AKCLIMBER
ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
We've been talking over this morale/experience issue, for whatever it is worth Abul. No promises, but personally I think there may be an issue here.
FWIW, I'm currently reading Raus'
Panzer Operations memoir and he specifically mentions his division's morale imporving in March 1941 as replacements, many battle hardened vetrans, began filling out the ranks. However, he also does mention the they had to give on the job training the green units.
Maybe look at tweaking morale up a bit and leave expericen alone?
Cheers!
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:20 am
by bwheatley
t46 prod
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:20 am
by bwheatley
t46 air
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:21 am
by bwheatley
t46 losses
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:58 am
by bwheatley
T48 Losses
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:59 am
by bwheatley
T48 OOB
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:08 am
by bwheatley
Waiting for ara to post his morale and xp ranges for his infantry units to see if they are about the same as the 42 GC starts with.
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:06 pm
by CMoore
Just about to go into my first blizzard...
I'll see if I can get these screen shots on here
RE: Current Human vs Human 41 campaign games
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:08 pm
by CMoore
OOB
