Logistics 101

[BBfanboy]

FG, did you leave the ship docked for more than one turn? It can take up to 3 days to unload a large device. I experienced this unloading 6" coastal guns at a small port.

Since when is their industry at Peleliu needing resources? Are you referring to supply to build forts/port/airfield? That can be unloaded from an amphibiously loaded vessel - i.e. start an amphibious TF, assign xAK or AK type vessels, dock and load supply (they will load 80% of ship capacity) and send them to the island.

[Yaab]

FraunGausch, unload your resources in Babeldaob. If the code can push surplus resources to the adjacent port level 0 in Peleliu, it will do so (thousgh 500 x 0 should be 0). If not, expand the port in Peleliu to level 1, and afterwards always drop resources in Babeldaob (see manual section 9.3.3.3)

[FranGuasch]

FG, did you leave the ship docked for more than one turn? It can take up to 3 days to unload a large device. I experienced this unloading 6" coastal guns at a small port.

I will wait a few days, as you say

Unload cargo option is in Orange, the cursor on it pops a message claims "Not all troops and equipment can unload on the location"

Since when is their industry at Peleliu needing resources? Are you referring to supply to build forts/port/airfield? That can be unloaded from an amphibiously loaded vessel - i.e. start an amphibious TF, assign xAK or AK type vessels, dock and load supply (they will load 80% of ship capacity) and send them to the island.

Peleliu has 3 resources and 5 Light industry. It needs 15 resources per day. Wanted to send resources for some months, just checked the "bases at minimum requirement" filter

Unload caergo options while carrying resources is not available

[FranGuasch]

FraunGausch, unload your resources in Babeldaob. If the code can push surplus resources to the adjacent port level 0 in Peleliu, it will do so (thousgh 500 x 0 should be 0). If not, expand the port in Peleliu to level 1, and afterwards always drop resources in Babeldaob (see manual section 9.3.3.3)

Ok, ill do this

[RangerJoe]

No port? Use the amphibious mode or fast transport task forces if possible. Also use these task forces for very small ports since the unloading may actually be faster than for docked task forces.

Unable to load/unload devices? Check the port size to determine the maximum load/unload size possible. Naval support squads will affect this positively at ports size 1(1) or larger.

[BBfanboy]

No port? Use the amphibious mode or fast transport task forces if possible. Also use these task forces for very small ports since the unloading may actually be faster than for docked task forces.

Unable to load/unload devices? Check the port size to determine the maximum load/unload size possible. Naval support squads will affect this positively at ports size 1(1) or larger.

IIRC, you cannot load resources amphibiously. I don't know what mod or version he is playing that puts industry on Peleliu so I am surprised about the resource requirement.
The manual has info about port unload capacity both per 12 hour phase and per item.

[RangerJoe]

No port? Use the amphibious mode or fast transport task forces if possible. Also use these task forces for very small ports since the unloading may actually be faster than for docked task forces.

Unable to load/unload devices? Check the port size to determine the maximum load/unload size possible. Naval support squads will affect this positively at ports size 1(1) or larger.

IIRC, you cannot load resources amphibiously. I don't know what mod or version he is playing that puts industry on Peleliu so I am surprised about the resource requirement.
The manual has info about port unload capacity both per 12 hour phase and per item.

I did state if possible.

But a player can load ships in a normal cargo TF, then disband it, then use those loaded ships in an amphibious TF. So it may be possible to move resources that way. But he should stockpile the resources there so they don't leave.

I think that he is playing an updated scenario that has lots of smaller LI and resources scattered around to represent living off the natives.

[Chris21wen]

Two separate problems here. This is under 28b. There seems to be conflicting info in the manual?

In the first a cargo ship cannot unload resources at a size 0 port. Size 0 ports have no unloading/loading capability. E.g. It cannot dock and they are no lighters etc. Naval support won't help.
You can load cargo ships in amphibious mode and they will unload in amphibious mode but very, very slowly, 20 a day per ship. Amphibous TF that can dock at a friendly port have a reduce docked unload capacity. Manual says 125 per ship per turn. Page 142 section 6.3.3.3.2.2 new manual.

The second problem is much simpler, it's to do with device load costs. Basicaly no device can be unloaded if it's load cost exceeds the ports daily handling capacity. From above the load cost 198, 139 etc is > 125, the amphibious docked unload rate.

[FranGuasch]

I am playing Scenario 1, no mods at all, at least thats what i believed until now, i downloaded the game from scratch a few weeks ago

Version 1.18.11.28.4 Mar 04 2023

Two separate problems here. This is under 28b. There seems to be conflicting info in the manual?

In the first a cargo ship cannot unload resources at a size 0 port. Size 0 ports have no unloading/loading capability. E.g. It cannot dock and they are no lighters etc. Naval support won't help.
You can load cargo ships in amphibious mode and they will unload in amphibious mode but very, very slowly, 20 a day per ship. Amphibous TF that can dock at a friendly port have a reduce docked unload capacity. Manual says 125 per ship per turn. Page 142 section 6.3.3.3.2.2 new manual.

The second problem is much simpler, it's to do with device load costs. Basicaly no device can be unloaded if it's load cost exceeds the ports daily handling capacity. From above the load cost 198, 139 etc is > 125, the amphibious docked unload rate.

following this, tried all options. Docked and Undocked at Saigon (port 4). No luck, as 125 is the limit with xAK type ships in own port

I just sent 116 Naval Support, my artillery is now on the port!!


6.3.3.3.2.1 OVER THE BEACH
This is for assault unloading over the beach.
***
»» Special Japanese early war bonus of 1200 for all AP/AK and xAP/xAK types.

Seems this "Beach option" is not used, as im sending troops to my own ports



6.3.3.3.2.2 FRIENDLY PORT
For Amphibious docked at and unloading in a friendly port of Size 4 or less, the unload rate is
slightly different for Troops and Cargo.
***
Merchant Ships. Troops unload at a Rate of 125 points per ship per
turn. Cargo unloads at a Rate of 125 points per ship per turn.

Naval support seems to increase this value

[PaxMondo]

Perhaps a bit OFF Topic, but can not find a better place to ask for this


I am having problems loading/ unloading heavy artillery

I have no idea where to find the port size / naval requirements, whatever to unload my 30 cm, 24cm and so on

I decide to buy several kwantung heavy arty to bombard Corregidor, then had problems loading these in Fusan.

So.. I sent these to Port Arthur, and finally got them loaded

So i sent them towards Manila, tried landing in a couple areas (unsure exact ones, believe port 1) but then i could land these in a port size 2, perhaps had to dock them.

So, after capturing the base, sent these towards bangkok.. a size 4 port... but uncapable

Guess problem is similar to reload naval heavy weapons, I need some Naval support or whatever, but can not find exact values

Device Load cost for these mortars is 198,139, 58

Another topic, port 0 unload resources (supply?)
Peleliu has no port (0), I wanted to unload a few resources onto it to get the industry going. Found no way to do it. No unload available at port 0. Can i do something about it? A specific ship class? AK? Some naval support on it?

Some suggestions for future:
1. Break your amphib TF up into smaller TF's where the ships can dock. This is pretty common practice for the IJ in the early war offensive period.
2. Look forward at where you will UNLOAD when you load a TF. Have your unload plan in hand before you set sail.
3. IJ early war AMPHIB bonus will work at any hex or size 0 port while the bonus is in effect. Referring to hvy arty, not resources.

[Chris21wen]

I repeat what I said ealier the load cost of the Hvy art is greater (193 or 139) than the unload ability of an amphibious TF (125) in port. It will never unload on it own while in an amphiboius TF, it matters not what size the TF is. Naval support, like it does for all unloading increased a ports unloading capacity, 125 in this case. If as you said you sent 116 nav sup the amount that can now be unlaoded daily is 125+116 =241. This is now greater than the load cost of the Hvy art so it unloads.

Not sure how long your TF sat in Bangkok but you could sent it back Saigon or anywhere else where it can unload, then reforming a cargo/transport TF, before going back.

The clues in the name 'Over the beach' Used for assualting bases. Also applies to any TF where ship size will prevent it docking and hence either preventing or drastically slowing down loading or unloading. Primarily at ports sized 0-3.

Can I ask why you have attached an image of the preferences screen?

[FranGuasch]

I repeat what I said ealier the load cost of the Hvy art is greater (193 or 139) than the unload ability of an amphibious TF (125) in port. It will never unload on it own while in an amphiboius TF, it matters not what size the TF is. Naval support, like it does for all unloading increased a ports unloading capacity, 125 in this case. If as you said you sent 116 nav sup the amount that can now be unlaoded daily is 125+116 =241. This is now greater than the load cost of the Hvy art so it unloads.

Not sure how long your TF sat in Bangkok but you could sent it back Saigon or anywhere else where it can unload, then reforming a cargo/transport TF, before going back.

The clues in the name 'Over the beach' Used for assualting bases. Also applies to any TF where ship size will prevent it docking and hence either preventing or drastically slowing down loading or unloading. Primarily at ports sized 0-3.

Can I ask why you have attached an image of the preferences screen?

Ye, thanks everybody problem is solved.

Screen is here because of the "weird" peleliu production asked. Hope there is info about the exact scenario played

I play just basic scenario 1, but seems this is an updated version, as seems scattered LI around is not in previous versions

[RangerJoe]

I repeat what I said ealier the load cost of the Hvy art is greater (193 or 139) than the unload ability of an amphibious TF (125) in port. It will never unload on it own while in an amphiboius TF, it matters not what size the TF is. Naval support, like it does for all unloading increased a ports unloading capacity, 125 in this case. If as you said you sent 116 nav sup the amount that can now be unlaoded daily is 125+116 =241. This is now greater than the load cost of the Hvy art so it unloads.

Not sure how long your TF sat in Bangkok but you could sent it back Saigon or anywhere else where it can unload, then reforming a cargo/transport TF, before going back.

The clues in the name 'Over the beach' Used for assualting bases. Also applies to any TF where ship size will prevent it docking and hence either preventing or drastically slowing down loading or unloading. Primarily at ports sized 0-3.

Can I ask why you have attached an image of the preferences screen?

Ye, thanks everybody problem is solved.

Screen is here because of the "weird" peleliu production asked. Hope there is info about the exact scenario played

I play just basic scenario 1, but seems this is an updated version, as seems scattered LI around is not in previous versions

Those LIs scattered around were so the units won't starve.

[Moltrey]

For the benefit of those who would rather have Alfred's Logistics 101 on a pdf to peruse, here you go.
Enjoy!

Alfred's Guide to WITPAE Supply.pdf

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[homer82]

For the benefit of those who would rather have Alfred's Logistics 101 on a pdf to peruse, here you go.
Enjoy!

Alfred's Guide to WITPAE Supply.pdf

Nice, thanks!

[Moltrey]

Nice, thanks!

You bet Senior Chief!
Us old sea dogs have to stick together (woof!)

[Mike Solli]

Perhaps a bit OFF Topic, but can not find a better place to ask for this


I am having problems loading/ unloading heavy artillery

I have no idea where to find the port size / naval requirements, whatever to unload my 30 cm, 24cm and so on

I decide to buy several kwantung heavy arty to bombard Corregidor, then had problems loading these in Fusan.

So.. I sent these to Port Arthur, and finally got them loaded

So i sent them towards Manila, tried landing in a couple areas (unsure exact ones, believe port 1) but then i could land these in a port size 2, perhaps had to dock them.

So, after capturing the base, sent these towards bangkok.. a size 4 port... but uncapable

Guess problem is similar to reload naval heavy weapons, I need some Naval support or whatever, but can not find exact values

Device Load cost for these mortars is 198,139, 58

Another topic, port 0 unload resources (supply?)
Peleliu has no port (0), I wanted to unload a few resources onto it to get the industry going. Found no way to do it. No unload available at port 0. Can i do something about it? A specific ship class? AK? Some naval support on it?

I'd try using an AK, or possibly an xAP for them. The LSD should work too, if she's still around.

[RangerJoe]

Nice, thanks!

You bet Senior Chief!
Us old sea dogs have to stick together (woof!)

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