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RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:08 am
by jomni
ORIGINAL: Perturabo
I find it fascinating that NWS is able to sell physical copies for lesser prices than Matrix sells downloads. Is it because of the redownloading thing?
Yes, I think that way too. For NWS Boxed, you cannot redownload (or maybe you can if you ask Matrix).
But when you buy from Matrix, you can download in addition to the box. So the additional value is there which justifies the additional $$$.
But I really don't like how Plimus operates (questionable exchange rate and difficulty in the redownload process) compared to Digital River.
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:39 am
by martok
ORIGINAL: Perturabo
ORIGINAL: martok
ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR
Steam is just a delivery method.
And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.
Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.
*snicker*
I stand corrected. [:D]
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:20 pm
by Goragg
ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
The serial number issue is one we're addressing. You no longer have to enter serials for patches - it looks them up and auto enters them for you. New patches will have this easier to use system. We could even skip the step completely if it detects a valid serial.
On the Steam argyuments we're not convionced that the Steam audience is a good match for the majority of the catalogue. Take in to account also that Steam take 30%, you have to customise your code to use their system which is a significant amount of work for the number of games we're talking about and Steam absolutely require you to slash your prices. Overall you have to sell a lot more copies to just stand still in terms of revenues. It is not teh alm dunk that everyone thinks it is. It also fragments the community which has an intagible cost but something we are very aware of and reluctant to do.
Another thing to bear in mind is Steam get 200 submissions a week and only 1 person allocated to review them. I'd guess only about 1% of the games people try to get on steam actually get on steam. The vast majority are never looked at or rejected. I'm guessing the majority of our line up would slide to the "dont even review category
"
Having said all this it may be something we trial at some point. Never say never!
Thank you!
That explains a lot. I can see the reluctance now and understand why. I also see that the potential may be there in the future.
I will continue to window shop and who knows one day I may take the risk.
I keep hoping to see ASL in computer form and if anyone would have it I thought Matrix would.
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:53 pm
by Phatguy
ORIGINAL: Goragg
ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
The serial number issue is one we're addressing. You no longer have to enter serials for patches - it looks them up and auto enters them for you. New patches will have this easier to use system. We could even skip the step completely if it detects a valid serial.
On the Steam argyuments we're not convionced that the Steam audience is a good match for the majority of the catalogue. Take in to account also that Steam take 30%, you have to customise your code to use their system which is a significant amount of work for the number of games we're talking about and Steam absolutely require you to slash your prices. Overall you have to sell a lot more copies to just stand still in terms of revenues. It is not teh alm dunk that everyone thinks it is. It also fragments the community which has an intagible cost but something we are very aware of and reluctant to do.
Another thing to bear in mind is Steam get 200 submissions a week and only 1 person allocated to review them. I'd guess only about 1% of the games people try to get on steam actually get on steam. The vast majority are never looked at or rejected. I'm guessing the majority of our line up would slide to the "dont even review category
"
Having said all this it may be something we trial at some point. Never say never!
Thank you!
That explains a lot. I can see the reluctance now and understand why. I also see that the potential may be there in the future.
I will continue to window shop and who knows one day I may take the risk.
I keep hoping to see ASL in computer form and if anyone would have it I thought Matrix would.
Window shop until the Thanksgiving sale...then go crazy !
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:17 am
by Hentzau
Steam is so yesterday, Storm Powered is the way to go. LMAO [:D]
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:52 am
by Phatguy
ORIGINAL: Hentzau
Steam is so yesterday, Storm Powered is the way to go. LMAO [:D]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !
I wish them luck......But I won't be visiting anytime soon......
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:53 am
by sterckxe
ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker
ORIGINAL: Hentzau
Steam is so yesterday, Storm Powered is the way to go. LMAO [:D]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !
I wish them luck......But I won't be visiting anytime soon......
I do visit them - for documentation purposes for my new book "Top 10 reasons why businesses fail"
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:59 am
by Perturabo
I remember reading their announcement. It was creepy as hell.
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:41 pm
by Erik Rutins
Please keep it civil, folks.
Regards,
- Erik
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:48 pm
by Anonymous
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RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:58 pm
by Vincenzo_Beretta
ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie
I wouldn't mind seeing one or two older back catalog titles from Matrix appearing on Steam as a proof of concept.
They could start with "Making History II", for example.
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:53 am
by Cmdrcain
ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR
Without going into the old argument about steam itself,....... I will say that those who dont wish to use steam should do that,...and stop trying to prevent others from being able to use it. If you want to sit on the porch in your rocking chair talking about how great the "goold ole days" were, thats fine,...but please dont try and imprison those of us who dont mind living in the modern world there with you. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you should try to prevent others from using it.
Steam is a security risk to ones PC... since it can connect to internet...if hackers find holes...they can exploit it.. any program you install that on its own connects to internet is a risk.. email programs, browsers etc...
But at least with browsers and email programs they interact with ones security software..but applications like steam create a risk.
Matrix way via digital river is not such a risk, one has control of whats occurring...with steam I don't know what it might be installing into my PC and OS and if it has backdoors etc..
No one should need install some APP to buy and download a game...
its intrusive.
Day Matrix sells via steam is day I no longer buy
I have passed up some games cause their only sold via steam...so publishers LOSS money with steam
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:58 am
by Cmdrcain
ORIGINAL: Goragg
I will not purchase any games from Matrix using the current method. I have been burnt before with sellers going under or no longer supporting my title. I have many other options out there so don't need to risk it. I only ask because as a wargamer I may enjoy some of these games and it would be nice if Matrix offered their products through my preferred source. It is in no way a requirement. If current Matrix customers are happy with the process and Matrix is not interested in the client base available through Steam then I wish you all the best and enjoy your games.
Have fun
Goragg
What happens if steam goes under?
Will you be able to install /access your games?
With Matrix I can even if it goes under cause all I need is 1: copies of setup files and patchs on DVD's
2: Serial Number
When install on pc it doesn't need to "check with matrix"
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:13 am
by Cmdrcain
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
are as vulnerable (from a technology standpoint) as any other online merchant. You put your credit card info into the web and there's a chance it will get stolen.
You can have it stolen even not using web... someone can walk by with a scanner and pickup your magnetic data of card in wallett...
The fact is a CC safeguards you, if stolen...your not liable for any charges..
If one really is so worried, use only ONE card for internet buying... then if something happens its only on that card.
But from my experience when my card racked up charges 3000 some miles away in Calif
one call, cards cancelled, new one issued, all fraud charges charged back on merchant
and I paid nothing of any of them.
Use a debit card.. have it stolen..your bank acct cleared out... your moneys gone..tough luck..
A CC safeguards you.
RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:22 am
by Cmdrcain
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
God forbid your download is ever corrupted and you find yourself with a DVD that will not install - the point being is we can all be caught short.
You do know you can burn multiple copies of games buy from matrix?
Anyone who burns one copy is asking for such a problem..
Should Burn and verify multiple copys then store em in different places
DVD's are cheap as also CD's
You also can put on Flash drives.. as additional backups..
Multiple copies.. stored multiple places is way to go with all software...
One copy made only is disaster waiting to occur.
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:10 pm
by Anonymous
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RE: Matrix games on Steam?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:43 pm
by RyanCrierie
ORIGINAL: Perturabo
So, Steam is basically devaluating games in eyes of its customers?
It's restoring games to where they were in the Golden Age of PC gaming. It used to be that you had a bargain bin, or markdowns on games, and a used game bin meaning you could just wait a little and get a game without having to pay full price.
That long ago disappeared; and in-store prices rarely budge anymore.
STEAM has caused me to spend more money on PC games than I have in a long time -- and pick up titles I would never have picked up otherwise, due to the value deals that show up from time to time.