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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

PS- BTW, I The Mighty Slaakman proudly own that book.

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

Methinks he fails to appreciate our ability to just have fun. We can never, EVER, convince progressives to even consider another point of view. And facts just fly waaaaaaaaay over their heads.

No, quiet whining about your bread. I lowered myself from my castle ramparts to give you bread and you should show proper appreciation.

Why am I not surprised.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

warspite1

Good grief [8|]

Three things: a) the anti-British stuff is getting really boring [>:] b) NO.YOU.WOULDN'T. You are not really suggesting that you had a one-time, use it or lose it shot at breaking free of the UK? c) non-payment for services rendered? Read a WWII history book. The US owes France nothing - quite the reverse.

ORIGINAL: ckammp

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Yes. Agreed.



Meh. I don't believe the commitment to helping America was sufficient to 'break their backs'. It probably didn't help matters, but they had a lot of other problems simultaneously.

I'm certainly willing to consider any primary research you have that indicates their involvement with the American Revolutionary War was the root cause of their collapse though.



Ummm...have. Thanks.



I think we did owe the French a debt of gratitude for their help with the Revolutionary War and sticking a finger in the eye of the English on our behalf. Once upon a time.

Of course, Napolean's privateer wars (that preyed on American shipping off our coasts) didn't help our relations any. We would have been within our rights to declare war against him and them in the early 1800s as a result of these purely illegal piratical acts.

Our debt to the French was finally paid in full (and then some) with our involvement in France during the First and Second World Wars. Either we're even or they 'owe us one' in the international karmic ledger.

The United States government paid off all debts to the French government in 1795.

The American Revolution, contrary to the propaganda that has been endless repeated since 1776, was not a struggle of oppressed colonies held down by brutal British soldiers and subject to outrageous taxation by a tyrant, George III.
George III was not a tyrant, the tax burden of the colonists was actually less than that of citizens living in Britain, and the soldiers were the colonists best (in some cases only) defense against attacks by Indians.

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Simply not true. Wait yes it was the lottery that paid them .[8|].

ORIGINAL: ckammp

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

The United States government paid off all debts to the French government in 1795.

The American Revolution, contrary to the propaganda that has been endless repeated since 1776, was not a struggle of oppressed colonies held down by brutal British soldiers and subject to outrageous taxation by a tyrant, George III.
George III was not a tyrant, the tax burden of the colonists was actually less than that of citizens living in Britain, and the soldiers were the colonists best (in some cases only) defense against attacks by Indians.

MrRoadrunner whines:

My Liege, I request further that I not rely on the auspices of the castle. BTW, the bread was stale.

SLAAKBRAIN RANTS:

Silly parruski-Newblette, the Key to the Universe is at my fingertips, offered to you freely & all you can do is chew your cud.

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

Methinks he fails to appreciate our ability to just have fun. We can never, EVER, convince progressives to even consider another point of view. And facts just fly waaaaaaaaay over their heads.

No, quiet whining about your bread. I lowered myself from my castle ramparts to give you bread and you should show proper appreciation.

I had "Pearls before swine" and the non casting thereof in mind.
I did not receive the contemporary progressive history classes in college, when I earned my secondary education degree (in History). [:)]

Also, I have no interest in playing with a dude who relies on cyber muscles to make his points. He could be less insulting when making them? But, he goes into cyber-roid rage quickly and that is really a bore.

My Liege, I request further that I not rely on the auspices of the castle. BTW, the bread was stale. [;)]

RR

ORIGINAL: rogo727

I just went back and read how the English invaded France in 1944 and how the Americans only had one tiny beach to invade good grief[&o]. Or after WW2 the UK had to step in at Greece because we could no longer afford to help her. No wait it was the Americans who pushed for total damnation of Germany in 1919 only to realize at the last moment that if we did this it would give rise to a despot ruler......it was the British empire who declared their freedom from the Americans and we really didn't want to fight you so we hired more Germans than Americans to fight you.....it should be noted that only the Americans in 1919 pointed out that if you do this to Germany they will want revenge... France and England had a different view.....

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

warspite1

Good grief [8|]

Three things: a) the anti-British stuff is getting really boring [>:] b) NO.YOU.WOULDN'T. You are not really suggesting that you had a one-time, use it or lose it shot at breaking free of the UK? c) non-payment for services rendered? Read a WWII history book. The US owes France nothing - quite the reverse.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

ORIGINAL: danlongman

Here is some interesting "history". Warning!! some of you old farts might get apoplexy.
There are rude words in it so don't look if you don't want to see them.
A good laugh for those who have a sense of humour. The rest needn't bother:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18442_5- ... =companion

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

warspite1

I'll take that as a no then....

ORIGINAL: ckammp
I notice that rather than attempt to support your position with actual facts, you declare myself a bully and yourself bored, which speaks volumes about both your lack of knowledge regarding the subject and your character. As far as I am concerned, this ends my participation in this discussion.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

warspite1

I'll take that as a no then....

Sorry for the delay. You asked for one volume. [;)]

Two volume set, but the first is good on the founding.

"America, The Last Best Hope" by William J. Bennett (former Secretary of Education).

http://www.amazon.com/America-Last-Best-Hope-Volumes/dp/1595551255/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361712300&sr=1-7&keywords=william+bennett+books


RR