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I'm also a "veteran asl player" and have been playing board and computer wargames for 40 years now. So instead of lite, which really seems to bother you, I will use the term "introductory" or "beginners" wargame for BA. Whatever terminology you want to use, doesn't change the fact that BA is a fun, lite, beginners wargame. No comparison to ASL, except the scale and setting.

I see your ASL veteranship, and your 40 years and I call (I've been playing since 1975).

No BA isn't introductory or beginner. Unless you think you can beat me that casually.

Do you think Chess is introductory and beginner too? I mean, it only takes me a minute to explain how to play it and I can play a turn in Chess in less time than this post will take to type.

I seem to see too man wargamers, simply too badly conned into thinking tedious = serious.

No, tedious only = tedious

Share that popcorn young man.

You win. I'll move BA into the "advanced" level of gaming!

Every game is to a player whatever their expectations are going into the game and their own experience. It's pointless to argue that this game or that game is better. Personally I look for games that have longevity or playability. The V For Victory games had that. The game I spent YEARS working on (Combined Arms by none other than Matrix) would have had great depth, awesome scenario editor and lots of playability. Sadly it is languishing in its 15 or 16th year of "development" But I digress.

The GUI has to be up to par. You need to have control of resolution. A game that can be modded, so that users can change the look of the GUI are better. It takes care of a lot of issues that players have: unable to see small fonts, replacing hideous graphics, etc. Games that do not offer these are sort of deadlocked IMO, and will not get a larger fan base than they otherwise might receive.

Those V4Victory titles were indeed good games. I still have the disks, pretending there is a point to keeping them.

I should see if my buddy can figure those out too like he did my Steel Panthers 3 game.

Have to agree here.

BA is a great little game in it's own right but it isn't some deep, complex, tactical sim.

I too hope we will see a new Gary Grigsby Steel Panthers, which I think will be closest we'll ever get to ASL conversion. However unless the development runs concurrently with their big Monster War in the ... series I can't see it happening, just not enough time\years to do it along with the other lined up projects.

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

I'm also a "veteran asl player" and have been playing board and computer wargames for 40 years now. So instead of lite, which really seems to bother you, I will use the term "introductory" or "beginners" wargame for BA. Whatever terminology you want to use, doesn't change the fact that BA is a fun, lite, beginners wargame. No comparison to ASL, except the scale and setting.

Acropora has done some good work recently on some ASL scenarios over at the Mods section of the 'Lock 'n' Load' forum. Well worth checking out. [:)][:)][:)]

Have you guys tried Battleground Ardennes by Talon Soft? It's an older game but they have upgraded it for Win 7 (look on Ebay). I played the older version to death. It uses the squad leader sequence of play but only covers the Battle of the Bulge. I was left wanting more.....

ORIGINAL: cataphract88

Acropora has done some good work recently on some ASL scenarios over at the Mods section of the 'Lock 'n' Load' forum. Well worth checking out. [:)][:)][:)]

do you know the direct link?

ORIGINAL: vonRocko


" BA isn't a lite Chess like experience by the way "
It is barely above Panzer Korp in depth. If BA isn't "lite", I don't know what is.

Cmon BA is miles above Panzer Korp. My 8 year old nephew can play Panzer Corp easily. Panzer Korp is a linear A & B game at most. Just move your piece next to another piece and check the odds target ring system and fire away. At least BA has one thinking is this a good move or not. Should I fire at this counter group or that one. When I play Panzer Korps all I wonder about is which unit should I use first, second, third so that I have a unit to move into the victory hex. Doesn't take rocket science to figure it out either.

I like more of the random sighting effects of BA. You just never know what is going to come out of where sometimes. PK is so predictable after a playthru. No longevity. Least I have mods for BA that allow me to play random skirmishes much like Steel Panthers but doesn't have all the factions that I wished it did.

If they ever make a BA with all the factions and all the units an equipment like in Steel Panthers I'd surely buy that before I'd ever think of buying PK. Plus, the AI in BA is much better than the one in PK. I won the scenario's so easily in PK I didn't want to continue playing it like I do BA and now HELL, which is another great BA engine game now.

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

ORIGINAL: cataphract88

Acropora has done some good work recently on some ASL scenarios over at the Mods section of the 'Lock 'n' Load' forum. Well worth checking out. [:)][:)][:)]

do you know the direct link?

I would start with this one:

tm.asp?m=3721467

But there are also several later updates.

Hope this helps. [:)]

thanks [:)]