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RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:57 pm
by sPzAbt653
ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
When, oh when, will the supply net come back??? The Commanders at the front want to know...
As I recall there's a lean period of about 10 or 15 turns or so, especially during the deep winter.
So supply is going to be low for a while yet.
I guess these will be some fast 10-15 turns for the Germans...
Supply Levels for both forces will rise and fall seasonally. The Axis will suffer a catastrophic supply failure in the Fall and Winter of 1941.
I kept the briefing simple. We can always expand on it if necessary.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:01 pm
by sPzAbt653
Steve / Larry, is there winter graphics with this scenario? I was expecting to see snow terrain.
I'm not a weather expert, but here's the deal with this scenario. Originally I thought weather took care of itself, but the first time I played [pre-release] there was never a winter. So I added a couple cold weather events. Still no snow. So I added a couple more, and that is what we are playing with now. So, we are testing weather !
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:41 pm
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Steve / Larry, is there winter graphics with this scenario? I was expecting to see snow terrain.
I'm not a weather expert, but here's the deal with this scenario. Originally I thought weather took care of itself, but the first time I played [pre-release] there was never a winter. So I added a couple cold weather events. Still no snow. So I added a couple more, and that is what we are playing with now. So, we are testing weather !
I'm pretty sure there was actually snow on the ground during the winter of 41/42. Let me double check in some of the reference material I have.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:29 pm
by sPzAbt653
Historically yes, it was a brutal winter.
So, you are currently in late December, and no snow ? Anywhere ? In the Mountains, perhaps ?
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:14 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Historically yes, it was a brutal winter.
So, you are currently in late December, and no snow ? Anywhere ? In the Mountains, perhaps ?
No snow showing anywhere that I could see. Here's the weather report for turn 32, 25JAN'42
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:12 pm
by sPzAbt653
Zone 1 = Cool. We need it to go Cold, then Frozen1, 2 and 3, I think. I'm not a fan of Frozen3, but we should have Frozen2 up north at least. I'm not sure if that means I need to add three Cool Fronts to each season. Then more Warm Fronts in April. Who knows. You'd think the silly computer would figure it our for us.
I'll add some more chill for v1.6 and we'll see how it goes.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:30 pm
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Zone 1 = Cool. We need it to go Cold, then Frozen1, 2 and 3, I think. I'm not a fan of Frozen3, but we should have Frozen2 up north at least. I'm not sure if that means I need to add three Cool Fronts to each season. Then more Warm Fronts in April. Who knows. You'd think the silly computer would figure it our for us.
I'll add some more chill for v1.6 and we'll see how it goes.
Even zone 2 has "temperate" weather... It should be cold for sure through the winter months.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:02 pm
by Cmdr_Vessery
AGC update. Turn 33, 01FEB42
Supply net is still down. Territory gains are minimal, movement is minimal. Repaired rail is right up behind AGC's AO, so fresh divisions can be railed up to the front for direct action.
The Smolensk - Moscow highway is almost completed converted to German rail gauge. Another 25 km's and the entire line will be under German control. Rail Road Engineers are not working on the line just north of that line to help the flow of supplies.
The crashed supply net feels like it's been down forever.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:14 am
by larryfulkerson
ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
AGC update. Turn 33, 01FEB42
Supply net is still down. Territory gains are minimal, movement is minimal. Repaired rail is right up behind AGC's AO, so fresh divisions can be railed up to the front for direct action.
The Smolensk - Moscow highway is almost completed converted to German rail gauge. Another 25 km's and the entire line will be under German control. Rail Road Engineers are not working on the line just north of that line to help the flow of supplies.
The crashed supply net feels like it's been down forever.
As I recall, the supply net doesn't start to pick up until sometime in March. Or was it May?
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:28 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
ORIGINAL: Cmdr_Vessery
AGC update. Turn 33, 01FEB42
Supply net is still down. Territory gains are minimal, movement is minimal. Repaired rail is right up behind AGC's AO, so fresh divisions can be railed up to the front for direct action.
The Smolensk - Moscow highway is almost completed converted to German rail gauge. Another 25 km's and the entire line will be under German control. Rail Road Engineers are not working on the line just north of that line to help the flow of supplies.
The crashed supply net feels like it's been down forever.
As I recall, the supply net doesn't start to pick up until sometime in March. Or was it May?
Felt like it started early to me. I understand the system was lacking, but OCT12th, feels early to have a complete drop to zero.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:49 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
WOOOHOOO! Supply system is back. drastically reduced, but back...
Turn 38.. 02MAR42.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:53 am
by sPzAbt653
It's a combination of the effect of weather and supply. Considering that in TOAW '0' supply doesn't actually prevent the player from doing anything, and mud doesn't stop movement, I didn't think it was an unreasonable thing to do. This scenario does not restrict the Axis player in any other way [no cease fires, no restrictive shock penalties].
Also, on purpose, I didn't outline the specifics in the briefing. I know its annoying, we are playing turn after turn and trying to make plans but don't know what is going to happen. The only mention in the briefing is what I posted in post #81, because I don't think the Germans knew exactly was going to happen either.
Another influence was the Barbarossa '41 scenario, which we are using as a model to expand the scenario. In that one, the designer used low supply, so that is what we are doing here. The flaw in Barbarossa '41 was that Axis supply started too low in the first place, which restricted the Axis player unfairly.
The current result is, the Axis player doesn't have to worry about supplies until October when the system collapses, German stocks run out, and the mud kicks in. Supply picks up a little in March when the trains can start running again [remember, it isn't just rail repair that is needed, the rolling stock was limited and German locomotives could not run in the Russian winter]. Supply is restored to a reasonable level in April/May when historically everything finally caught up to the front. [Blau was held up a few weeks until the situation was restored enough to support the offensive].
So, I hope, it ain't all that bad. Especially with the hindsight we all have.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:56 am
by sPzAbt653
WOOOHOOO! Supply system is back
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There you go ! Now get back in those tanks and head for the Volga !!
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:00 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
It's a combination of the effect of weather and supply. Considering that in TOAW '0' supply doesn't actually prevent the player from doing anything, and mud doesn't stop movement, I didn't think it was an unreasonable thing to do. This scenario does not restrict the Axis player in any other way [no cease fires, no restrictive shock penalties].
Also, on purpose, I didn't outline the specifics in the briefing. I know its annoying, we are playing turn after turn and trying to make plans but don't know what is going to happen. The only mention in the briefing is what I posted in post #81, because I don't think the Germans knew exactly was going to happen either.
Another influence was the Barbarossa '41 scenario, which we are using as a model to expand the scenario. In that one, the designer used low supply, so that is what we are doing here. The flaw in Barbarossa '41 was that Axis supply started too low in the first place, which restricted the Axis player unfairly.
The current result is, the Axis player doesn't have to worry about supplies until October when the system collapses, German stocks run out, and the mud kicks in. Supply picks up a little in March when the trains can start running again [remember, it isn't just rail repair that is needed, the rolling stock was limited and German locomotives could not run in the Russian winter]. Supply is restored to a reasonable level in April/May when historically everything finally caught up to the front. [Blau was held up a few weeks until the situation was restored enough to support the offensive].
So, I hope, it ain't all that bad. Especially with the hindsight we all have.
It's all good.. I went through turn 19 to turn 39 pretty quickly. And you are correct, zero supply doesn't mean no activities, but it does severely hamper extended operations. I choice to halt my troops and dig in. Moving only those that had solid supply, 90+, and over the last few turns I have been railing in fresh troops to the AGC front with 100 supply.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:03 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
New equipment has arrived to the front also. Luftwaffe forces were getting hammered for the past few months. Had to transfer units out of the active battle zones for rest and re-cupping. Recently two air wings were retired of old equipment, and the new FW 190 has entered service in the east. Time to take the skies back...
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:17 am
by sPzAbt653
It's all good..
Good. [;)]
Somehow, it looks like you are playing with v1.2, which is outdated in two areas [lack of airfields in the east, harsh partisans in June 1944]. No reason to restart [unless you want to], but wanted to let you know.
Did the Finns come out of Garrison Mode?
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:33 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
It's all good..
Good. [;)]
Somehow, it looks like you are playing with v1.2, which is outdated in two areas [lack of airfields in the east, harsh partisans in June 1944]. No reason to restart [unless you want to], but wanted to let you know.
Did the Finns come out of Garrison Mode?
Some did. but a while ago. The Fins near Leningrad have not yet. I'm good with v1.2, I'm not going to press as far east as Larry did, and when I get to June 44 and entire civilian population picks up their pitchfork, I'll call it a day and get the latest version to have another run through.
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:37 am
by sPzAbt653
The Fins near Leningrad have not yet.
Ok, I thought I saw that in an earlier screenshot. I'll look into that, thanks [&o]
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:50 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
Army group and Panzer group commanders were called to a battle strategy/war games meeting in Minsk in early March.
Objectives and battle plans are being drawn for continuing the 1942 campaign. Supply is flowing to all fronts, lower than previous levels, but reasonable levels are what is hoped for.
There are some obvious areas that need attention, but the first goal is to tighten up the lines to free up divisions for offensive tactics.
--- Battlefield overview ----
RE: TGW AAR
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:15 am
by Cmdr_Vessery
ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
The Fins near Leningrad have not yet.
Ok, I thought I saw that in an earlier screenshot. I'll look into that, thanks [&o]
I took Leningrad on turn 11, and they have been in re-org since.