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But the economic consequences of China's overreaction and the stemming of their economic growth may be with us for a while. It's important not to conflate this with the boogeyman of this particular virus on our particular home turf.

Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

ORIGINAL: Orm

But the economic consequences of China's overreaction and the stemming of their economic growth may be with us for a while. It's important not to conflate this with the boogeyman of this particular virus on our particular home turf.

Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I would argue that public health officials in any country, given a similar threat of unknown severity, would choose to error on the safe side until the severity of the disease was definitely established. What looks like over-reacting to us might have seemed entirely appropriate 4 months ago and 10,000 miles away.

ORIGINAL: Orm

But the economic consequences of China's overreaction and the stemming of their economic growth may be with us for a while. It's important not to conflate this with the boogeyman of this particular virus on our particular home turf.

Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I don't want this to get political on this thread, so can't answer your question directly here. Hope you understand. But, no, I really don't think China has been 'underreacting' in this instance.

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Orm

But the economic consequences of China's overreaction and the stemming of their economic growth may be with us for a while. It's important not to conflate this with the boogeyman of this particular virus on our particular home turf.

Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I would argue that public health officials in any country, given a similar threat of unknown severity, would choose to error on the safe side until the severity of the disease was definitely established. What looks like over-reacting to us might have seemed entirely appropriate 4 months ago and 10,000 miles away.

I'm not so willing to give carte blanche, Zorch. Some of the responses have been, well, terrifying and seem to go well beyond the bounds of reasoned interventional strategies.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Orm


Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I would argue that public health officials in any country, given a similar threat of unknown severity, would choose to error on the safe side until the severity of the disease was definitely established. What looks like over-reacting to us might have seemed entirely appropriate 4 months ago and 10,000 miles away.

I'm not so willing to give carte blanche, Zorch. Some of the responses have been, well, terrifying and seem to go well beyond the bounds of reasoned interventional strategies.

I'm not giving Carte Blanche (or Bank Americard). I'm just saying it's hard for people elsewhere to judge the situation there and then.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Orm

But the economic consequences of China's overreaction and the stemming of their economic growth may be with us for a while. It's important not to conflate this with the boogeyman of this particular virus on our particular home turf.

Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I don't want this to get political on this thread, so can't answer your question directly here. Hope you understand. But, no, I really don't think China has been 'underreacting' in this instance.

I do understand. And I didn't intend for it to get into political territory.

Thank you for your answer.

What have me somewhat concerned, is that my thinking is that this virus is deadlier to people who is reasonably healthy, than for example the flu.

ORIGINAL: Scott_USN

So no zombie apocalypse this year?

Who knows where this virus will go from the 54 diagnosed cases in the US (a nation of approximately 330,000,000)? It just seems to me the media is going way over-board making a fuss about it. The last thing out of the Pandora's Box was "HOPE", the salvation of mankind..

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Orm


Are you sure that China hasn't been underreacting?

I don't want this to get political on this thread, so can't answer your question directly here. Hope you understand. But, no, I really don't think China has been 'underreacting' in this instance.

I do understand. And I didn't intend for it to get into political territory.

Thank you for your answer.

What have me somewhat concerned, is that my thinking is that this virus is deadlier to people who is reasonably healthy, than for example the flu.

You may want to see my 'take' on this aspect of disease reporting on the WiTP:AE cross-thread. PM me if you want any additional clarification on my thoughts.

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Zorch



I would argue that public health officials in any country, given a similar threat of unknown severity, would choose to error on the safe side until the severity of the disease was definitely established. What looks like over-reacting to us might have seemed entirely appropriate 4 months ago and 10,000 miles away.

I'm not so willing to give carte blanche, Zorch. Some of the responses have been, well, terrifying and seem to go well beyond the bounds of reasoned interventional strategies.

I'm not giving Carte Blanche (or Bank Americard). I'm just saying it's hard for people elsewhere to judge the situation there and then.

Yes. I'm sure it is. But just because "The Emperor is far away and the mountains are high" doesn't justify some actions that have been taken.

FYI: https://www.davisenterprise.com/local-n ... al-center/

The beginning of the end

I've seen enough movies to know that these 2 stories are linked! A new virus and primates escaping from a hospital! I'm stocking up on canned goods and ammo......[;)]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I'm not so willing to give carte blanche, Zorch. Some of the responses have been, well, terrifying and seem to go well beyond the bounds of reasoned interventional strategies.

Unfortunately, as we have seen, it isn't simply the medical issue that is the main point here. The containment strategies that have so far been implemented seem to work. But that means businesses shutting down. In Europe the social safety net is much better suited for that. Here, not so much. I'm also curious as to what terrifying responses you have seen.

BTW, if you are fortunate enough to be of the richer class wait a few days before buying up stocks. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Blond_Knight

Matrix has an office in Milan?

Their PR office is in Milan, IIRC. This is why a lot of Matrix's PRs are Italian.

My eldest daughter lives in Milan (she studies fashion design, but right now the institute is obviously closed). She tells me that there is a lot of confusion running around. Two days ago all bars and pubs had to close at 6PM - but restaurants had no restrictions. Why?

Then yesterday the measure was changed: bars and pubs can stay open, but after 6PM the costumers must stay seated and be served by the staff - no one is allowed to stay at the bar counter. Just think about it and you will see how this "measure" is totally nonsensical.

Then there is our local panic here in Calabria. I do own a Restaurant/Pizzeria, so I literally need to be hourly informed about events and regulations. But then a colleague asked me if I check the ID cards of my guests to see if they are from Northern Italy. I mean, my reaction was [8|] However, all the bar/restaurant services in my area are seeing a 30%-50% drop in costumers - and we are quite far from Lombardy.

My (obviously limited) perception is that, true, we got a serious bug running around, but the reaction is out of proportions. Wash your hands, isolate yourself if you are sick and warn the authorities (along with those you got in contact) if you think it is warranted (no, covering your mouth with a mask if you are healthy doesn't work). This is not the Black Pox: a vast percentage of those killed by this virus are either elderly people, people with serious pre-existing conditions or both.

If anything, this could become a good dress rehearsal for when the Black Pox will strike for real, but they are already talking about the risk of a global recession caused by this Coronavirus drama. I don't think that, if something so dire happens, it would be justified by the reality of facts.

ORIGINAL: Lobster

BTW, if you are fortunate enough to be of the richer class wait a few days before buying up stocks. [:D]

Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. I'll not let a good market panic go to waste. I picked up a lot of good stuff in the bargain bins yesterday and today. As Warren Buffett says, "The time to be greedy is when others are fearful." And Ken Fischer routinely argues that "False bearish fears are always bullish."

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lobster

BTW, if you are fortunate enough to be of the richer class wait a few days before buying up stocks. [:D]

Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. I'll not let a good market panic go to waste. I picked up a lot of good stuff in the bargain bins yesterday and today. As Warren Buffett says, "The time to be greedy is when others are fearful." And Ken Fischer routinely argues that "False bearish fears are always bullish."

What goes down (because of virus fear) will come up. But don't ask me when...

ORIGINAL: Lobster
The containment strategies that have so far been implemented seem to work.

Meh. If they did, then how to explain the global spread out post- Wuhan 'wet market'? At best, the authoritarian crackdown by the Chinese delayed some exposure. But some 15MM Chinese got out of the Wuhan crackdown beforehand-presumably a goodly number of them were exposed. But the global spread is / was largely inevitable.

On the other hand, what we did with known exposed Americans repatriated from China was an excellent application of selective quarantine.

The terrifying Chinese behaviors include assigning political 'block captains' and neighborhood communist busybodies to enforce an ironclad neighborhood crackdown. This is happening all over China. This prevents sick from visiting the hospital, needy from getting medication refills, people going to work or school and everything in between. Entirely without merit from the disease prevention and control foundation. The thought of a communist goon squad barricading me in my home and letting me starve or go without my daily medication is terrifying to me.

ORIGINAL: Zorch
But don't ask me when...

When? [:'(]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Lobster
The containment strategies that have so far been implemented seem to work.

Meh. If they did, then how to explain the global spread out post- Wuhan 'wet market'? At best, the authoritarian crackdown by the Chinese delayed some exposure. But some 15MM Chinese got out of the Wuhan crackdown beforehand-presumably a goodly number of them were exposed. But the global spread is / was largely inevitable.

On the other hand, what we did with known exposed Americans repatriated from China was an excellent application of selective quarantine.

The terrifying Chinese behaviors include assigning political 'block captains' and neighborhood communist busybodies to enforce an ironclad neighborhood crackdown. This is happening all over China. This prevents sick from visiting the hospital, needy from getting medication refills, people going to work or school and everything in between. Entirely without merit from the disease prevention and control foundation. The thought of a communist goon squad barricading me in my home and letting me starve or go without my daily medication is terrifying to me.

No going out to get essential medication like beer? [:@]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Zorch
But don't ask me when...

When? [:'(]

Are you asking When you can ask me When the markets will come back up? If so, yes.

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