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RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:45 pm
by EricGuitarJames
The post war Allied problems largely erupted for two reasons. Firstly (and this wasn't Patton's fault, he died shortly after the war ended) most of the major participants led by Monty I think, went into print. Monty was scathing about just about everyone. this caused everyone to rush to print to defend themselves.


Iron Duke, I think you may have nailed the biggest problem with the debate about Patton. The other commanders had their opportunities to write, be interviewed, analyse (and re-analyse over and over) their own wartime performances etc. etc. Patton, on the other hand, has almost passed into mythology since he never 'disgraced himself' (the way Monty, for one, did) after the war.

Thinking about my earlier comparison of MacArthur and Patton and my referring to them as 'Great Tacticians' I've focussed on where Patton was strongest, helped admittedly by some of the other posters here[:)]. Once he discovered the enemy's 'weak spot' he would exploit it with single-minded determination and once the enemy was defeated he would ensure they remained defeated. His 'charge' across France in 1944 shows this up well, although the 'detour' into Brittany also reflects his 'Lust for Glory' (had to get the film title in here somwhow[:D]).

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:25 pm
by IronDuke_slith
ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames
The post war Allied problems largely erupted for two reasons. Firstly (and this wasn't Patton's fault, he died shortly after the war ended) most of the major participants led by Monty I think, went into print. Monty was scathing about just about everyone. this caused everyone to rush to print to defend themselves.


Iron Duke, I think you may have nailed the biggest problem with the debate about Patton. The other commanders had their opportunities to write, be interviewed, analyse (and re-analyse over and over) their own wartime performances etc. etc. Patton, on the other hand, has almost passed into mythology since he never 'disgraced himself' (the way Monty, for one, did) after the war.

Thinking about my earlier comparison of MacArthur and Patton and my referring to them as 'Great Tacticians' I've focussed on where Patton was strongest, helped admittedly by some of the other posters here[:)]. Once he discovered the enemy's 'weak spot' he would exploit it with single-minded determination and once the enemy was defeated he would ensure they remained defeated. His 'charge' across France in 1944 shows this up well, although the 'detour' into Brittany also reflects his 'Lust for Glory' (had to get the film title in here somwhow[:D]).

A good point, but I do think that had he lived to pen his memoirs, they would only have served to lessen his reputation as did Montgomery's. Monty's memoirs (as Pattons would have been, indeed most people's) were essentially a work of justification to show why he was right and everyone else wrong. In finding incorrect reasons to justify things, you give historians ammunition to criticise you with. For Monty, his twisting to justify strategy in the battle before Caen only served to highlight how it all went wrong. Even if Patton had been honest, he would have betrayed his deficiencies.

I think if Patton had gone into print, we wouldn't be having this discussion. That he didn't means we can believe the legend rather than the fact. The only place I'd digress with you is when you describe him finding the enemy weak spot. I don't think he knew how to find the weak spot, hence the principal of attack everywhere. Once the weak spot was shown him (Cobra) or the weak spot was too big to miss (Sicily) he was in his element.

My criticism should not blind us to Patton's abilities. It's just that we shouldn't credit him with military genius. For the Allies, he did things the cautious Bradley or the methodical Montgomery would never have done. However, they equally possessed skills he never demonstrated, and we are unfair to them if we are seduced by the pearl handled revolvers, the daring manner and the choice quotes into believing he was
exceptional.

Regards,
IronDuke

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:57 am
by EricGuitarJames
'Duke, were you getting tired when you wrote this or was it me not being clear[&:]. Either way, we agree[:)]

Top generals, like top politicians, are rarely blessed with the gift of humility. The 'drive' required to get to the top of the greasy pole tends to negate such qualities. Rather thsn admit to errors they prefer to blame others (Sosabowski at Arnhem) or retrospectively twist facts (Caen, as you mention above) - I only choose these examples as Montgomery is immediate in my mind. Wellington is one of the few in history who made it to the top of both greasy poles yet emerged with his dignity and reputation relatively untarnished by unnecessary self-mythologysing (can you say that? did I spell it correctly? [:D]). One of the reasons I like Slim is that his account of the campaign in India and Burma (Defeat Into Victory - a fine book!) is refreshingly honest with him being candid regarding his own shortcomings and the mistakes he made.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:03 pm
by Von Rom
I am going to remain outside the discussion. What I will be posting here is information for the thoughtful and interested reader who does not have the time to read lengthy books, but who wishes a bit more information about General Patton and Third Army.

Below find General Patton's final orders to Third Army. In this letter he details the exploits of Third Army. For over 50 years these accomplishments remain undisputed.



General Patton's
Final General Orders

HEADQUARTERS
THIRD UNITED STATES ARMY

APO 403

GENERAL ORDERS 9 May 1945
NUMBER 98

SOLDIERS OF THE THIRD ARMY, PAST AND PRESENT


During the 281 days of incessant and victorious combat, your penetrations have advanced farther in less time than any other army in history. You have fought your way across 24 major rivers and innumerable lesser streams. You have liberated or conquered more than 82,000 square miles of territory, including 1,500 cities and towns, and some 12,000 inhabited places. Prior to the termination of active hostilities, you had captured in battle 956,000 enemy soldiers and killed or wounded at least 500,000 others. France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia bear witness to your exploits.

All men and women of the six corps and thirty-nine divisions that have at different times been members of this Army have done their duty. Each deserves credit. The enduring valor of the combat troops has been paralleled and made possible by the often unpublicized activities of the supply, administrative, and medical services of this Army and of the Communications Zone troops supporting it. Nor should we forget our comrades of the other armies and of the Air Force, particularly of the XIX Tactical Air Command, by whose side or under whose wings we have had the honor to fight.

In proudly contemplating our achievements, let us never forget our heroic dead whose graves mark the course of our victorious advances, nor our wounded whose sacrifices aided so much in our success.

I should be both ungrateful and wanting in candor if I failed to acknowledge the debt we owe to our Chiefs of Staff, Generals Gaffey and Gay, and to the officers and men of the General and Special Staff Sections of Army Headquarters. Without their loyalty, intelligence, and unremitting labors, success would have been impossible.

The termination of fighting in Europe does not remove the opportunities for other outstanding and equally difficult achievements in the days which are to come. In some ways the immediate future will demand of you more fortitude than has the past because, without the inspiration of combat, you must maintain - by your dress, deportment, and efficiency - not only the prestige of the Third Army but also the honor of the United States. I have complete confidence that you will not fail.

During the course of this war I have received promotions and decorations far above and beyond my individual merit. You won them; I as your representative wear them. The one honor which is mine and mine alone is that of having commanded such an incomparable group of Americans, the record of whose fortitude, audacity, and valor will endure as long as history lasts.

G. S. PATTON, JR.,
General

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:39 pm
by EricGuitarJames
I don't thing anyone disputes the achievements of the Third Army in the closing nine months of WW2, what is questionable is how much of that is down to Patton's abilities as a commander. Some, including yourself Von Rom, believe that it is, others, including Iron Duke and myself, believe that it isn't.

Moving away from Patton and back to Monty and some of his comments on his own wartime 'performances' I came across this:-

from - http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmontgomery.htm
Bernard Montgomery wrote about Operation Market Garden in his autobiography, The Memoirs of Field Marshal Montgomery (1958)

Operation Market Garden was duly launched on the 17th September 1944. It has been described by many writers. I will not go over it all again. We did not, as everyone knows, capture that final bridgehead north of Arnhem. As a result we could not position the Second Army north of the Neder Rijn at Arnem, and thus place it in a suitable position to be able to develop operations against the north face of the Ruhr. But the possession of the crossings over the Meuse at Grave, and over the Lower Rhine (or Waal as it is called in Holland) at Nijmegen, were to prove of immense value later on; we had liberated a large part of Holland; we had the stepping stone we needed for the successful battles of the Rhineland that were to follow. Without these successes we would not have been able to cross the Rhine in strength in March 1945 - but we did not get our final bridgehead, and that must be admitted.

There were many reasons why we did not gain complete success at Arnhem. The following in my view were the main ones.

First. The operation was not regarded at Supreme Headquarters as the spearhead of a major Allied movement on the northern flank designed to isolate, and finally to occupy, the Ruhr - the one objective in the West which the Germans could not afford to lose. There is no doubt in my mind that Elsenhower always wanted to give priority to the northern thrust and to scale down the southern one. He ordered this to be done, and he thought that it was being done. It was not
being done.

Second. The airborne forces at Arnhem were dropped too far away from the vital objective - the bridge. It was some hours before they reached it. I take the blame for this mistake. I should have ordered Second Army and 1st Airborne Corps to arrange that at least one complete Parachute Brigade was dropped quite close to the bridge, so that it could have been captured in a matter of minutes and its defence soundly organised with time to spare. I did not do so.

Third. The weather. This turned against us after the first day and we could not carry out much of the later airborne programme. But weather is always an uncertain factor, in war and in peace. This uncertainty we all accepted. It could only have been offset, and the operation made a certainty, by allotting additional resources to the project, so that it became an Allied and not merely a British project.

Fourth. The and S.S. Panzer Corps was refitting in the Arnhem. area, having limped up there after its mauling in Normandy. We knew it was there. But we were wrong in supposing that it could not fight effectively; its battle state was far beyond our expectation. It was quickly brought into action against the 1st Airborne Division.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:50 pm
by Von Rom
Here is some information about Patton's planning abilities:

Taken from the book:


The Unknown Patton


by


Charles M. Province


CHAPTER SEVEN



Some Misconceptions


(And Some Plain, Old Lies)

In the past, it has very often been the usual and accepted attitude of people that Patton was effective only as a field commander; that he was not suited for higher command, or for tactical and strategic planning.

The consensus of Patton's lack of ability was perhaps summed up best by Eisenhower when he once remarked to Patton, "George, you are a great leader, but a poor planner." Patton's reply was that "... except for [Operation] Torch, which I planned and which was a great success, I have never been given the chance to plan."

In the months to come, after North Africa, Patton was never "officially" asked about plans for any Allied operation. In private, though, it was a very different story. Very often, others would come to him to ask his views and ideas concerning future plans. Bradley, especially, would come to Patton to ask his opinion about impending operations. Often he would not only ask Patton's opinion, he would also "borrow" his thoughts. They would later turn up miraculously as Bradley's ideas. This situation became so bad that, eventually, Patton became fed up with Bradley receiving all of the credit for his ideas. As Patton put it, "I do not want any more of my ideas used without credit to me, as happens when I give them orally."

On the surface, this might seem to some people a selfish attitude, but a deeper study and thorough consideration of the situation will offer a better understanding. At Patton's expense, other General Officers were building their careers and gaining undue praise. Patton, himself, was being kept under wraps and he was being virtually ignored. Others of lesser ability were being promoted over him. In reality, he was pushing them up the ladder and they were taking the credit that was honestly due Patton.

Initially Patton did not mind Bradley stealing his ideas because as a soldier he realized that it would help the war effort. As time passed it became evident that the Allies would, indeed, win the war. Patton felt that he had been pushed far enough and that he had been taken advantage of too much. When Patton personally proffered his plans he was ignored. When Bradley put forth Patton's plans, as his own, they were most readily accepted for consideration.

Operation COBRA, the breakout in Normandy by Patton's armored divisions, was actually a slightly altered version of one of Patton's plans, but it was fully credited to Bradley. Actually, it was the first in a series of bold and brilliant plans devised by Patton during 1944.

The third Army staff never doubted that Bradley was making good in France by expropriating their boss's ideas. Patton's aide, Colonel Charles Codman, wrote to his wife, "As of August 1st, General Bradley has adopted practically all of General Patton's plans."

On august 14, 1944, Patton wrote in his diary regarding the St. Lo breakthrough, "It is really a great plan, wholly my own, and I made Bradley think that he thought of it."

Patton eventually became disgusted with the hypocrisy of the higher command. He stopped telling any of his plans to Bradley.

In reality, Patton was probably the best planner in the European Theater of Operations. Indeed, his knowledge of strategy and tactics were to say the least, equal if not superior to any of the high command such as Eisenhower, Bradley, Devers, Clark, and the British. Without exception, his intuitiveness and perceptiveness was never equaled by any of the "masterminds" at SHAEF.

Patton had worked long and hard over the years to become the competent soldier that he was. His years of dedicated study and application were not in vain. He had attended all of the Army's "command level" service schools. He not only graduated from them, but did so with honors.

In 1923, he completed the Field Officers Course at Fort Riley, Kansas.

In 1924, he was an honor graduate of the Command and General Staff College located at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. While at the Command and General Staff College, Patton compiled an extensive notebook which he loaned to Eisenhower when the latter attended the same school in 1926. Eisenhower graduated first in his class. He wrote to Patton thanking him for the loan of the notebook saying that it [the notebook] made all the difference in his class standing.

In June of 1932, Patton was a distinguished graduate of the Army War College at Washington, D.C. If measured by no other standard than by education alone, Patton was prepared for general officer rank.

December 12, 1917 was the date on a report entitled, "Light Tanks". It was a 58 page report written by Patton assimilating his most concise, salient knowledge concerning the new military arm then known as the "Tank Corps". His report was the foundation, the entire basis, for the whole U.S. Armored concept.

At the initialization of U. S. involvement in armor, Patton was not only the first soldier in the Tank Corps, he was the Tank Corps. He personally created the basic tank training procedures, the training instructions, the training manuals, the regulations, and the actual methods of instruction. He also created the entire Tables of Organization and Equipment for the Tank Corps. He was personally responsible for the original Tank Corps patch worn by members of the corps which was the forerunner of today's Armored Division patches.

In 1936, while stationed in Hawaii, Patton forecast a doctrine of amphibious warfare that proved to be highly, and terribly, prophetic.

After studying and observing the Japanese in the Pacific, Patton's conclusion was that they could and would utilize an air attack in the near future against Pearl Harbor. He wrote a paper on the subject in which his prophesy proved to be almost exactly the same as the actual Japanese attack on December 7, 1941.

By the time of the invasion of Sicily in 1943, Patton was regarded as one of the leading amphibious experts in the entire U.S. Army. Unfortunately, he would be excluded from any planning of European amphibious operations.

He wrote in 1936, of the Japanese, "... it is reliably reported that during the last four years three or more Japanese divisions were embarked, moved to the coast of Asia and disembarked without any military attache, consular agent, foreign press correspondent or any other foreigner living in Japan being aware of the fact until the troops were in action in Asia. Some of the Mandated Islands, about which absolutely nothing is known, are only 2,500 miles distant [from Hawaii], seven days' steaming over the loneliest sea lanes in the world. Who can say that an expeditionary force is not in these islands now?"

He warned against a surprise attack by the Japanese after participating in an annual exercise in Hawaii in 1937. He had specifically investigated the possibility of Hawaii's vulnerability to attack. He wrote, "The vital necessity to Japan of a short war and of the possession at it's termination of land areas for bargaining purposes may impel her to take drastic measures. It is the duty of the military to foresee and prepare against the worst possible eventuality."

Within four and a half years, Patton's warnings would prove themselves correct. He had made a very shrewd, perceptive estimate of Japanese planning. He was ignored.

In 1928, Patton did a study of tables of organization and equipment for an infantry rifle company, an infantry battalion, an infantry brigade, and an infantry division. He followed this with a comparison of the current division and his "proposed" division, illustrating that his recommended division would have a total strength of 9,715 men. The current division had 19,417 men. With Patton's proposed division, the firepower of the recommended organization would be far stronger, yet have 10,000 less men.

This was precisely what the "triangular" division of World War II sought to attain; more bang with less personnel.

Patton was also among the first to experiment with many new types of equipment. He used a personal command plane for reconnaissance. He experimented with radio equipment for "tank to tank" and "tank to command post" communication. He worked closely with J. Walter Christie in an attempt to create a new and better tank. He continually strove for better ways to accomplish his goal; killing the enemy. His papers, his magazine articles, his official reports, all that he studied simply reinforced his firm beliefs in the importance of mobility, speed, and surprise. He believed in the importance of the soldier rather than the machine; the importance of command, communications, and the supply line; the importance of air warfare and ground mechanization; and the continuing importance of the offensive, the attack.

He never ceased to believe that it was immensely cheaper for a nation to create and keep active a strong military organization than it was to lose, let alone fight, a war.

Had Patton's acumen been put to good use, instead of being wasted by men of lesser ability; men who had political aspirations and who suffered from great mediocrity, the war would have ended much sooner that it did, with the advantage of great savings in both lives and materials.

In WWII, alone, many examples exist of Patton's shrewdness, his "sixth sense" of combat. Both before the war and during the war he showed much farsightedness. Major errors occurred which could have been avoided in the ETO had Patton's advice been heeded.

In North Africa, the Allies were planning to attack the Germans in Tunisia on the 25th of December, 1943. Patton felt that this was, "... unwise, as, unless things have changed at the front, there is not enough force on our side to make a go of it. Nous Verrons (we shall see)."

Patton was right.

A lack of Allied strength in personnel and supplies, due to congested railroads, insufficient trucks, and mud-inducing rains, forced Eisenhower to admit that it was a mistake. He called off the attack.

General Mark Clark, in August of 1943, was preparing an invasion of Salerno, Italy. The code name for his attack was "Avalanche".

In the event that something might happen to Clark, Patton was told to familiarize himself with the plans for Avalanche. In his diary of September 1, he writes, "... I was very tactful (to General Gruenther), but could not help calling his attention to the fact that the plan uses the Sele River as a boundary between the British X Corps and the U.S. VI Corps, with no one actually on, or near the river. I told him that the Germans will attack down that river. He said that their plans provided for ample artillery to be ashore by 0630 on D Day to stop any German counter-attack. Of course, plans never work out (as expected), especially in a landing. I suggested this, but it did not register. I can't see why people are so foolish. I have yet to be questioned by any planner concerning my experience at Torch, yet Torch was the biggest and most difficult landing operation attempted so far."

True to Patton's prediction, the Germans did exactly as he said they would. Neither the Americans nor the British held the Sele River and the Germans counter-attacked down the river with such a strong drive that they came very close to completely dividing the Allied forces. The Allies position was so precarious that it almost caused an evacuation of the beachhead. Luckily, it was curtailed.

It was at this same time in the war that Bradley was chosen for the command spot of the 12th Army Group in the ETO, even though Patton was the only experienced American Army Commander in the ETO and he had more combat experience as a top field commander than anyone else, especially those above him. Bradley was chosen because, in Eisenhower's estimation, he was "balanced", "sound in judgement", and "experienced". Also because Bradley was a favorite of General Marshall. Bradley, thought Eisenhower, would be less apt to make mistakes than would Patton. Yet, Patton had not made a single mistake in judgement in the field. Another reason for not choosing Patton was because Eisenhower felt that he made "rash" or "spur of the moment" decisions. That was wholly inaccurate and a bad assumption on Eisenhower's part. As Patton puts it, "For years, I have been accused of making snap judgements. Honestly, this is not the case because I am a profound military student and the thoughts I express, perhaps too flippantly, are the result of years of thought and study."

The most probable reason for Bradley's placement above Patton was simply that General Marshall wanted it, and what Marshall wanted, Eisenhower was in no position to decline. Eisenhower was fearful of losing his lofty position.

In a letter dated September 16, from Eisenhower to Marshall, Eisenhower states, "... his intense loyalty to you and to me makes it possible for me to treat him [Patton] much more roughly than I could any other senior commander ..."

This passage offers some very enlightening insight to the personality and ego of both Eisenhower and Marshall. Patton's firm belief in loyalty from the top to the bottom, as well as from the bottom to the top, was virtually wasted on men of their caliber. It is apparent that to them, loyalty was something to be used to attain personal goals. In lieu of appreciating Patton, they chose to take undue advantage of him and his great ability, not only to use, but to abuse him and his loyalty and friendship to them.

In an entry to his diary dated February 12, Patton writes, "Ike said to me, "You are fundamentally honest on the larger issues, but are too fanatical in your friendships." This seems a strange thing to say to a friend of almost 20 years, but, then, Eisenhower was concerned more with his position and his personal ambition than he was with loyalty to an old friend.

Patton's diary entry of September 8 indicates another prediction of error. He states, "[The Italian] armistice was just declared ... I fear that as a soldier I have too little faith in political war. Suppose the Italians can't or don't capitulate? ... It is a great mistake to inform the troops, as has been done, of the signing of an armistice. Should they get resistance ... [during the landings at Salerno] it would have a very bad effect."

Again, Patton was right.

The surrender of the Italians was announced on September 8, in the evening, as Clark's 5th Army was approaching Salerno Bay. The news was broadcast over all of the ships' speakers. Immediately the troops assumed that there would be no active resistance against them during the landings and there was a letdown of fighting spirit. The officers were ignored when they warned that Germans and not Italians would be on the beaches. A great many lives were needlessly wasted by this foolish act.

Patton wrote in his diary of September 15, "... just saw a dispatch from Navy in which it seems that Clark has re-embarked. I consider this a fatal thing to do. Think of the effect on the troops -- a commander, once ashore, must conquer or die." Clark was apparently more concerned about his own safety than he was about either his soldiers lives or their morale. Nor did his actions indicate too great a concern about gaining a victory.

A diary entry of January 20 mentions the Anzio landings, code named "Operation Shingle". Patton says, "Shingle is pretty dubious as the beaches are bad and largely unknown ... It seems inconceivable that the Germans will not guess that we are coming ashore at Anzio, but they have made so many foolish mistakes that we may get ashore unopposed after all."

Patton was right. That is exactly what happened.

Sometime later, in April of 1944, Patton at least had occasion to have a chuckle to himself. One of Patton's soldiers had overheard a heated discussion between General Albert C. Wedemeyer and Eisenhower. The discussion was about Patton. The final remark of the little talk ended with General Wedemeyer saying, "Hell, get onto yourself, Ike. You didn't make Patton, he made you!" That knowledge must have been quite a piledriver blow to Eisenhower's mushrooming megalomania.

Patton entered a comment about the Falaise Gap dated August 13. He says, "This [XV] Corps could easily advance to Falaise and completely close the gap, but we have been ordered to halt because the British sowed the area between with a large number of time bombs [dropped from the air]. I am sure that this halt is a great mistake, as I am certain that the British will not close on Falaise."

On September 17th, Patton wrote in his diary, concerning Montgomery and his "Operation Market-Garden", "To hell with Monty. I must get so involved that they can't stop me. I told Bradley not to call me until after dark on the 19th. He agreed."

From all appearances, Bradley was finally coming around to Patton's viewpoint. He, too, had seen enough of Eisenhower's two-faced attitude to see the handwriting on the wall. In any case of differing viewpoints between the Americans and the British, the British invariably won. Eisenhower's strategy for getting along with the "Allies" was to give into them on each and every point, even if it meant de-moralizing, and self-defeating humiliation for, his own American forces.

Eisenhower had, on numerous occasions, shown his timidity, his inadequacy, and his inability to command or control the British. On February 3, 1943, Patton recalled that, "Ike talked in glittering generalities and then said as nearly as I can remember, "George, you are my oldest friend, but if you or anyone else criticizes the British, by God, I will reduce him to his permanent grade and send him home." So much for fair and equal justice between Americans and the British.

In April of 1943, concerning a matter of American honor, Patton writes, "It is noteworthy that had I done what Coningham did, I would have been relieved. Ike told me later that he could not punish Coningham [for calling the Americans cowards] because he was a New Zealander and political reasons forbad it. Unfortunately, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican -- just a soldier."

Again, another "Allied" general, did the same thing. Patton writes on April 16, "Lt. General Cocran, the s.o.b., publicly called our troops cowards. Ike says that since they were serving in his corps, that was O.K. I told him that had I so spoken of the British under me, my head would have come off. He agreed, but does nothing to Cocran. Bradley, Hughes, General Rooks, and I and probably many more, feel that America is being sold out. I have been more than loyal to Ike. I have talked to no one and I have taken things from the British that I would never take from an American. If this trickery to America comes from above, it is utterly damnable. If it emanates from Ike, it is utterly terrible. I seriously talked to Hughes of asking to be relieved as a protest. I feel like Judas. Hughes says that he and I and some others must stick it out to save the pieces."

Patton says in April 27, 1944, "None of those at Ike's headquarters ever go to bat for juniors. In any argument between the British and the Americans, they invariably favor the British. Benedict Arnold is a piker compared with them, and that includes General Lee as well as Ike and Beedle Smith."

One good reason for Eisenhower to be so lacking in backbone was his fear of Montgomery, or rather, the fear of the "power" that he thought Montgomery to have. Patton's diary of May 4, 1943 states, "Bedell Smith ... says that the reason everyone yields to Monty is because Monty is the National Hero and writes directly to the Prime Minister; and that if Ike crossed him, Ike would get canned."

Still another monumental error made by SHAEF and Eisenhower is the "Battle of the Bulge". The Germans called it the "Ardennes Offensive". As early as December 12, Patton wrote about the possibility of a growing German salient in the area of Bastogne, "... The First Army is making a terrible mistake in leaving the VIII Corps static, as it is highly probable that the Germans are building up east of them."

An interesting and noteworthy fact concerning Bastogne is that Hodges and Bradley both received a Distinguished Service Medal for their part in the defense of that small town, although their laxity in leadership and command greatly assisted the Germans in launching their offensive. Patton and his Third Army received not as much as a polite thank you for their monumental and heroic part in coming to their rescue.

On the day that Patton's Third Army had taken the German city of Trier, Bradley sent orders not to try to capture it, as Patton had only two divisions. Bradley and his planners said that it would require at least three divisions to capture the historic city.

Once again, Patton was right.

He sent a reply to Bradley, "Have taken city with two divisions, shall I give it back?" He also entered in his diary, "I have certainly again proven that my military ideas are correct and I have put them over in SPITE of opposition from the Americans."

The fact is that Patton was consistently correct in his military ideas. He was not only the best combat commander in the ETO; he was one of, if not the best strategic and tactical planners, in the ETO. Yet, repeatedly, he was ignored, though his record and opinions were continually proven to be RIGHT.

According to Patton, the basic, underlying truth in war is that strategy is actually not very important. As he so succinctly puts it, "Good tactics can save even the worst strategy. Bad tactics can ruin even the best strategy." That concept, as simple as it is, is perhaps the best strategy of all.

Any adequate general can decide where he wants to fight a battle, but the important thing is to get the needed supplies, men, and proper leadership to the right place at the right time. Then, and only then, can the enemy be annihilated. That is how a battle is won.

It is inconceivable that a man such as Patton, who studied, ate, slept, and lived the histories of war and warriors from Xenophon, Alexander, Scipio, Napoleon, to Lee and Grant, could not help but to be a great strategist as well as a great tactician.

It is pure folly and, indeed, absurd to believe that because Patton was never given the chance to plan high level strategy that he should be precluded from the ranks of the great Captains of war.

Perhaps the most unfortunate problem that plagued the Americans during WWII was the fact that the top leadership was made up of men who had never exercised command at any level and had little, if any, actual combat experience.

Lack of command experience was indeed the case with Eisenhower. Consciousness of his own lack of experience of front-line fighting led him to accept advice rather than make his own decisions. He ran SHAEF more along the lines of a board-room than a military headquarters. A Supreme Commander cannot act in the way of a chairman of the board, but must be fully in command, making all decisions firmly, decisively, and alone. The bitter truth is that Eisenhower, never really got the feel of what went on at the front end of his armies. Never having personally been through the rigors of close combat, he deferred too much to the advice of others less qualified than Patton. Patton noted in his diary about this situation, "Ike ... is very querulous and keeps saying how hard it is to be so high and never to have heard a hostile shot. He could correct that situation very easily if he wanted to. I also think that he is timid."

Later, when Patton was thoroughly fed up with Eisenhower and his pomposity, he wrote, "Ike is bitten with the Presidential Bug and is yellow." Patton's appraisal of Eisenhower's coveting of the Presidency was noted as early as 1943, in Africa. During the time that Patton was planning his resignation from the Army he wrote, "... I shall prove even more conclusively that he lacks moral fortitude. This lack has been evident to me since the first landing in Africa, but now that he has been bitten by the Presidential Bee, it is becoming even more pronounced."

The entire problem of a High Command with experience other than "theoretical knowledge", as Patton puts it, may be summed up in a further quote from Patton's diary. He says, "In this war, we were also unfortunate in that our High Command in the main consisted of staff officers who, like Marshall, Eisenhower, and McNarny, had practically never exercised command. I think it was this lack of experience which induced them to think of and to treat units such as Divisions, Corps, and Armies as animated "tables of organization" rather than the living entities that they are."


*** NEWS ITEM ***


"BLOOD AND GUTS" CREDITED; BOOK MAY BURN ARMY BRASS


New York, April 30 -(AP)-

General George S. Patton, even though dead, was right back today where he always liked to be -- in the middle of a hot argument.

Col. Brenton G. Wallace, a staff officer under "Blood And Guts", has written a book called "Patton and the Third Army", which is sure to burn the Army's brass.

Wallace claims that Patton was chiefly responsible both for the planning and execution of the famous St. Lo breakthrough, which swept on past Avranches and eventually hurled all the German armies out of France.

Battle plan credit, up until now, has gone uncontested to shrewd General Omar N. Bradley, who later commanded the 12th Army Group and many experts have laid the brilliant execution of the plan at the door of Lt. Gen. Joseph L. (Lightning Joe) Collins, a corps commander in the First Army.

But Wallace, who served as assistant chief of staff in G-3 (liaison) for the Third Army writes: "The First Army was given credit, whereas Gen. Patton planned it and executed it and used not only First Army troops but also a number of his own Third Army units."

Wallace, however, gives Bradley credit for his foresight in placing Patton "in charge of the breakthrough itself."


http://www.pattonhq.com/unknown/chap07.html

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:14 am
by EricGuitarJames
You just can't stay away can you[;)]

As I wrote earlier, Patton is still a controversial figure and brings out strong opinions in people.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:34 am
by EricGuitarJames
This is something I 'snipped' from a much longer piece on quite a nice site. It's dealing with part of Pattons drive to relieve Bastogne.

http://www.thetroubleshooters.com/br122.html
The 352nd Volks Grenadier Division (General Schmidt) on the morning was advancing along the Diekirch-Ettelbruck-Merzig highway in front of, but at a right angle to the American advance from the south. Schmidt was under the impression that his division had broken through the American line and was now marching through undefended, unoccupied country. The 914th Regiment had just entered Ettelbruck when the 318th Infantry appeared. It was the artillery regiment of the 352nd, bringing up the tail of the division east of the town, which ran afoul of the Americans. Quite obviously the Germans did not expect an attack from this direction. The 914th faced left and deployed hurriedly, using the town as a base, but in the process lost its heavy metal, for the German batteries were in no position to engage in an artillery duel, and fell back to Diekirch.

The reason I quote this is to show that the 3rd Army was not driving through 'battle-hardened veterans' in December 1944. The Volksgrenadier divisions were little more than 'Home Guard' units comprised of men previously classed too old or too unfit for combat service.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:40 am
by EricGuitarJames
And more from - http://www.worldwar2history.info/North- ... atton.html
Under the influence of his wife's family of wealthy Massachusetts industrialists, Patton jettisoned his father's Wilsonian principles, as well as the senior Patton's advice that the "club wit" who strives to dominate conversations was seldom a social success. Prejudice defined Patton's outlook and his conduct. In 1932 he enthusiastically joined then-chief of staff Douglas MacArthur to flush "Communist" Bonus Army marchers from the capital, in the process unceremoniously ejecting from the marchers' encampment the ex-sergeant who had saved his life in France. As chief of army intelligence on Hawaii in 1936, he drew up lists of prominent Japanese-Americans to be seized as "hostages" on the outbreak of war. His anti-Semitism exceeded by a considerable margin the polite golf club standards of America between the wars. General Joseph Stilwell called Patton a "braggart," while George Marshall's wife publicly admonished Patton that his profanity and "outrageous" statements little became a man who aspired to general rank.

Despite his World War II reputation as the U.S. Army's primary practitioner of armored warfare à la Rommel, Patton was in fact an eleventh-hour convert to tanks, preaching right up to the 1939 fall of Poland the virtues of the horse and the benefits of arming cavalrymen with a straight saber of his own design. He owed his promotion to his cultivation of influential generals like Pershing and cavalry chief General John Herr, and politicians, especially Secretary of War Henry Stimson, who personally intervened to place Patton on the major general list in the spring of 1941. Marshall also dropped his reservations about Patton's suitability for command after his vigorous performance at the head of a mechanized corps in the 1941 South Carolina maneuvers. Omar Bradley, who both served under and commanded Patton, described him as "the most fiercely ambitious man and the strangest duck I have ever known." He alternated social grace and personal warmth with a degree of vulgarity and a predisposition to demean and humiliate his subordinates that even GIs found disturbing. His celebrated and controversial speeches to the troops, delivered in a high-pitched, squeaky voice, were practically "comical . . . altogether lacking in command authority," Bradley remembered. But even his detractors had to admit that the tall, slightly balding Patton, with a solid chin, thin lips, and penetrating eyes that stared from beneath white eyebrows, had charisma. He also had an inimitable style. Patton's wardrobe of eccentric uniforms of his own design earned him GI nick-names that included "Flash Gordon," the "Green Hornet."

While Patton counted his fierce devotees, many believed him more respected than loved by the GIs. His tendency to humiliate subordinates and thunder when encountering even minor setbacks caused some to conclude that he was highly neurotic, if not downright insane. The British, to whom Patton became a source of unrelieved amusement as well as frustration, invented unimaginative nicknames for him that included "Chewing Gum" and "Cowboy." "I had heard of him, but I must confess that his swash-buckling personality exceeded my expectation," Alan Brooke noted in January 1943. "I did not form any high opinion of him, nor had I any reason to alter this view at any later date. A dashing, courageous, wild and unbalanced leader, good for operations requiring thrust and push but at a loss in any operation requiring skill and judgment."

I only quote this to prove my point about Patton eliciting strong opinions, even from his contemporaries.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:50 am
by Von Rom
EricGuitarJames

The fellow you quote above is Douglas Porch.

From the same website you linked to he had this to say about General Patton:

""Kicking butt" was the activity of choice for the autocratic, flamboyant, frequently coarse, pistol-packing Patton. Son of a California lawyer, Patton was a paradoxical mélange of humility and megalomania, geniality and rage, heroics and lunacy."

This is who you use as a reference?

Yes, quite the military historian. He really knows his subject in depth. [8|]

And we can clearly see his obvious opinion on Patton. His one-sided view is a great reminder to me to NEVER read his books.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:00 am
by Von Rom
Please find below the details surrounding three major operations during WW2 in Europe. These operations turned out to be mistakes.

Of the leading high ranking officers at that time, historians have named Ike, Montgomery and Bradley has having made crucial errors that not only delayed the war and allowed thousands of the enemy to escape, but also led to even more Allied soldiers being killed.

The one leading officer who shines during this period is General Patton.

All of the information is based on widely known facts, and most historians acknowledge the circumstances in all cases.


Taken from the book:


The Unknown Patton


by


Charles M. Province


CHAPTER SIX


SHAEF'S THREE MAJOR ERRORS



I - The Falaise Pocket

On June 6th, 1944, the Allied Forces launched "Overlord". The invasion of Normandy. This force, consisting of the First Army (American) and the Second Army (British) was commanded by General Montgomery.

On August 1st, 1944, D-Day+55, Patton's Third Army became officially operational.

Between July 5th, when Third Army had actually landed on French soil, and July 31, Third Army had advanced inland to the town of Avranches. The advance was a total of about 50 miles in 26 days.

In a comparison, Montgomery and his Second British Army had, since D-Day, advanced to the town of Caen, about 10 miles inland. A total of ten miles in 55 days. Montgomery's explanation for his slowness was that he was "re-grouping" in order to pivot at Caen and attack the Germans in force. . . .

By August 11, D-Day+66, Patton and his Third Army had broken completely out of the Cherbourg peninsula. He had advanced south, west, east, and north. Third Army had ripped a hole through the German Seventh Army and had roared "hell for leather" through the towns of Avranches, Mortain, Fougeres, Vitre, Mayenne, and Laval. They had made a sharp 90 degree turn at Le Mans and attacked north to the town of Alecon. They had gone a total of 200 miles in 10 days. . . .

By August 15th, D-Day+70, Third Army units (the Second French Armored Division and the 90th American Infantry Division) had reached Argentan, a town about 12 miles from Falaise. Canadian troops under Montgomery had reached the outskirts of Falaise. August 17th, D-Day+72, saw Patton's 90th Division and Second French Division joined by the 80th Infantry Division at Argentan. Montgomery's Second Army was still about 10 miles from Falaise.

At this point, there was a gap of 12 miles between Falaise to Argentan through which the German Seventh Army was escaping. Patton and his Third Army had moved 250 miles in 17 days. They had completely encircled the German Seventh Army, and were now ready to advance directly to Falaise. Blocking their escape and destroying them would be like shooting fish in a barrel. . . .

Third Army was poised and ready for one of the swiftest, greatest victories in all of history. Closing the gap between the two towns was a matter of hours. The 15th Corps had the tanks and troops necessary to put up a solid wall of men and armor. The Germans were completely confused and running for their lives. Then, the order arrived from SHAEF. HALT!

Patton and his Third Army were ordered NOT to seize Falaise.

What the Germans were powerless to do, SHAEF did for them.

There were later two explanations given for the order to stop Patton. First, SHAEF claimed that the British had "heavily sewn the Falaise area with time bombs." Secondly, Bradley claimed that he not only feared a head on collision of the British and Americans, he also was worried that the fleeing Germans might "trample" the Third Army in it's rush to escape.

The first claim was an outright lie to cover political chicanery.

The second claim by Bradley made no sense at all. They were noises made by a subordinate to obfuscate and condone an error by his superiors. Had the proper order been issued, the British could have held their position and there would have been no possibility of a "collision" of British and American forces.

Regarding Bradley's anxiety about Third Army being "trampled", it is incredible and difficult to imagine two Infantry Divisions and an Armored Division being "trampled" by a thoroughly routed enemy. Evidently, the thought never occurred to Bradley that the enemy might consider surrendering.

The real reason behind the halting of Third Army was Montgomery. He insisted, or rather, demanded that he be allowed to close the gap. He did not want Patton to spring the trap that Third Army had set. Monty wanted the glory and the credit for the "ripe plum" situation which was created by Patton's brilliant leadership and Third Army's speed and daring execution. He received neither. He did not close the gap in time, and he allowed a great number of Germans to live to fight another day.

Montgomery failed to reach Falaise until the 19th of August, D-Day+74. During that time, with Patton halted at Argentan, the great bulk of the German Army managed to escape through the 12 mile gap. What would have been one of the great and memorable victories of all time was lost due to one of SHAEF's oleaginous political schemes.

After this major blunder had been accomplished and became part of history, Patton wrote in his diary, "The 15th Corps could have easily entered the town of Falaise and completely closed the gap to Argentan. This halt was a great mistake as I was certain that we could have entered Falaise and I was not certain that the British would. As a matter of fact, we had reconnaissance parties near the town when we were ordered to pull back." Patton was correct, yet his advice went unheeded.


II - Market-Garden and Out of Gas

What was probably the greatest error made in WWII by Eisenhower and the SHAEF planners was actually two directly related occurrences, one which greatly affected the other.

To quote General Patton, "The 29th of August, 1944 was, in my opinion, one of the critical days of the war. Hereafter pages will be written on it, or rather on the events which produced it. It was evident that then there was no real threat against us as long as we did not stop ourselves or allow ourselves to be stopped by imaginary enemies. Everything seemed rosy when suddenly it was reported to me that the 140,000 gallons of gasoline which we were supposed to get for that day did not arrive. I presented my case for a rapid advance to the east for the purpose of cutting the Siegfried Line before it could be manned. It was my opinion that this was the momentous error of the war."

Patton thought that German resistance had collapsed and that nothing could stop the Third Army and the Allies if they proceeded with speed. What did stop him was once again the high command. Now, 35 years later, there is massive evidence to prove conclusively that Patton was correct. Eisenhower and SHAEF were wrong, again. One of Eisenhower's problems was that his SHAEF headquarters was located at Granville, near Cherbourg, a distance of 400 miles from the battle front.

The reason for Patton's halt was explained away as "lack of supplies". Another great lie. There was no lack of supplies. There was, however, a "diversion of supplies".

One thorn in Patton's side was the person of General John C.H. Lee, the commander of COMZ. COMZ was the supply command. With Patton in dire need of gasoline and other imperative supplies, Lee decided that the end of August was the perfect time to move his non-combatant headquarters to greener pastures. What proved to be "just the ticket" was a move to newly liberated Paris. This, of course, meant newly liberated wine, newly liberated women, and newly liberated song. During the move, Lee used hundreds of trucks, tons of supplies, and thousands of gallons of gasoline that were desperately needed by the Third Army's thirsty tanks. Eisenhower, of course and as usual, remained silent. Bradley quietly remarked, "No one can compute the cost of that move in lost truck tonnage on the front."

It is interesting to consult a map of the European Theater of Operations during the end of August, 1944. In northern France, from Dieppe to Mantes (north to south) were Crerar and the Canadian Army; Dempsey and the British Second Army; and Hodges and the First American Army. These three Armies constituting Montgomery's 21st Army Group occupied a front of about 150 linear miles. Contiguous to them on the south was Patton and Third Army. First Army received ample supplies. The boundary between First and Third Armies apparently was an insurmountable obstacle making utterly impossible any transportation of any supplies, especially gasoline.

It was evident to all commanders that what was actually needed was to discontinue Eisenhower's "Broad front" strategy (which he continually and pontifically quoted from Clauswitz). Reassessment of the situation demanded a "single thrust" strategy. There were monumental reasons why this thrust should have been headed by Patton. He, above all others, was capable of the direct, simple, and ruthless drive which would be required to accomplish the task. He was also the most adept at exploiting success.

Actually, Patton could have been supplied more easily than might be imagined. Had 21st Army group been halted instead of Third Army, supplies could have been sent directly behind and through 21st Army Group territory. When Third Army had advanced to the forefront, 21st Army Group could have then followed up Third Army's advancing rear to the south. They could then pivot to the north when Third Army had taken the northern position previously held by 21st Army Group. In other words, they could have switched places by means of a "pinwheel" maneuver.

The great need therefore was for Patton to orchestrate a single concentrated thrust so deep into Germany's heart that the enemy would have no chance of recovery. The timing was perfect, the day of August 29 was the day. It should have been ordered by SHAEF. Instead, Bradley, reluctantly following orders from above, cut Patton's gasoline supply from 400,000 gallons a day to almost nothing.

Fate had given Eisenhower the greatest Cavalry leader and as great an Army as his nation had ever produced. He failed at the decisive moment to use them. Why? The reason was not the supply situation. The reason was Field-Marshal Montgomery.

Eisenhower once again sided with Montgomery and the British so that Montgomery could attempt the "single thrust" attack, but not into Germany. The attack was to be in Holland. Montgomery used the term "dagger-like" thrust. Bradley remarked that it probably would be more like a "butter-knife" thrust.

Patton had often claimed that Eisenhower was more British than American and that he (Eisenhower) allowed the British to influence him too extensively. This is certainly true. One cannot fault the British nor even Montgomery for this. People and nations have since the dawn of time striven for themselves and this is understandable. The British were not at fault. Montgomery was not at fault. The entire blame lies squarely and solely upon Eisenhower. He was a straw man who had never experienced the necessary command of troops. He utterly lacked "command presence" and personal confidence in his own decisions. According to General Patton, Eisenhower was always attempting to be popular, always wanting to be "one of the boys". He was, for his entire Army career, a staff officer. As General MacArthur had once said of him, "He was the best clerk I ever had." Had he been a better, more capable commander; had he some combat experience and more backbone, he might have been able to stand his ground and make the correct and necessary decision. Instead, he replaced pragmatism with politics. One of the influences that effected him greatly was his romantic involvement with a British woman; his driver, Kay Summersby.

Eisenhower had decided to go along with Montgomery and his plan code-named, "Operation Market-Garden". Montgomery demanded, and got, absolute priority for ETO supplies. He was assured by Bedell Smith, Eisenhower's Chief of Staff, that not only would he receive a thousand tons of supplies per day plus transport, he was additionally promised that Patton's drive to the Saar would be completely halted. Montgomery was elated.

Shortly after 10 a.m. on Sunday, September 17, 1944, from airfields all over southern England the greatest armada of troop-carrying aircraft ever assembled for a single operation took to the air. MARKET, which was the airborne phase of the operation, was monumental; it involved almost 5,000 fighters, bombers, transports and more than 2500 gliders. That Sunday afternoon, at 1:30 p.m. an entire Allied airborne army, complete with vehicles and equipment, began dropping behind the German lines. The target for this historic and tragic invasion from the sky was Nazi occupied Holland.

On the ground, ready along the Dutch-Belgian border, were the GARDEN forces, massed tank columns of the British Second Army. At 2:35 p.m., preceded by artillery and led by swarms of rocket firing fighters, the tanks began their dash into Holland along a strategic route that the paratroopers were already fighting to capture and hold open.

It staggers the imagination when considering what Patton could have accomplished with this massive force and number one priority.

On September 24, 1944, Operation Market-Garden was officially over. Here is what had happened:

Allied forces suffered more casualties in Market-Garden than in the mammoth invasion of Normandy. Most historians agree that in the twenty-four hour period of D-Day, total Allied losses reached an estimated 10,000 to 12,000 men. In the nine days of Market-Garden, combined losses amounted to MORE THAN 17,000 men.

British casualties were the highest; a total of 13,226. General Urquhart's entire division was almost destroyed to a man. In the 10,005 Arnhem force, which included a Polish division and glider pilots, casualties totaled 7,578. In addition to this figure RAF pilot and crew losses came to another 294, making a total of 7,872. General Horrocks 30th Corps lost 1,480 and the British 8th and 12th Corps another 3,874.

American losses, including glider pilots and the 9th Troop Carrier Command, are put at 3,974. General Gavin's 82nd Airborne Division had suffered a loss of 1,432. General Taylor's 101st Airborne lost 2,118. Air crew losses were 424.

Complete German figures are unknown. In Arnhem and Oosterbeek admitted casualties came to 3,300 including 1,300 dead. After interviewing German commanders a conservative estimate was that Army Group B lost at least 7,500 to 10,000 men of which perhaps a quarter were killed. A total of 12,000 to 15,000 men. Less than the Allies.

What about Dutch civilian casualties? No one can say. Deaths in Arnhem and Oosterbeek are said to have been low, less than 500, but no one knows with any certainty. there have been casualty figures given as high as 10,000 in the entire Operation Market-Garden campaign and as a result of the forcible evacuation of the Arnhem sector together with deprivation and starvation in the terrible winter that followed the attack.

Had it been worth it? NO. Operation Market-Garden was a prime example of a "Pyrrhic" victory.

After Market-Garden was over, Montgomery said, "In my prejudiced view, if the operation had been properly backed from it's inception, and given the aircraft, ground forces, and administrative resources necessary for the job - it would have succeeded in spite of my mistakes, or the adverse weather, or the presence of the 2nd and SS Panzer Corps in the Arnhem area. I remain Market-Garden's unrepentant advocate."

It seems incredible that with Patton stopped, with absolute priority in supplies and weapons, and with over 30,000 troops, Montgomery still claims that his plan was "improperly backed". What more could he have asked for and gotten. . . .?

Had Patton been given this type of support, supplies, and equipment. . . .

Perhaps Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands summed it up most succinctly when he stated, "My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success."


III - Ardennes Offensive / Battle of the Bulge

The "Battle of the Bulge" at Bastogne, Belgium was not initiated completely by the Germans. They had a healthy assist from their enemy, the Allies. It is another case of one thing affecting another. There were two occurrences which helped the Germans to launch their offensive on December 16, 1944.

The first was recorded by General Patton in his diary, "The 1st Army is making a terrible mistake in leaving the 8th Corps area static, as it is probable that the Germans are building up to the east of them."

What prompted Patton to this judgement were reports from his G-2 (Intelligence) officer, Colonel Oscar Koch. Ignoring daily intelligence reports from SHAEF, which was hundreds of miles behind the front lines, and who claimed that everything was fine and dandy, Koch had his own intelligence teams at work. One of these was nicknamed "Patton's Household Cavalry".

As early as December 12, 1944, Koch had begun preparing and transmitting reports to SHAEF regarding what he considered to be a dangerous buildup of Germans east of the 1st Army's 8th Corps. Eisenhower was very busy, occupied with major decisions such as who should be the head nurse of SHAEF. Therefore, he ignored the warnings from those two upstarts, Koch and Patton. He mistakenly allowed Bradley to turn the 8th Corps area into a "rest station", thereby reducing both their discipline and fighting spirit.

The second occurrence was Bradley's breaking of a promise that he had made to Patton. Patton explains, "Bradley called up at 1710 hours and, in my opinion, crawfished quite blatantly, in his forbidding me to use the 83rd Division. I believe that he had been "overtalked" by either Middleton or Hodges, or by both. I was very sore at the time and I still regard it as a great mistake. If I had been able to use the two combat teams of the 83rd to attack Saarburg, that town would have fallen on the 12th or 13th and we probably would have captured the city of Trier. With Trier in our hands, Von Rundstedt's breakthrough could not have occurred. This is probably a case of, "because of a nail, a shoe was lost, etc..."

In other words, had Patton been allowed to use the 83rd Division, as he had been promised, the Germans would not have had the ability to stage their offensive, let alone break through to Bastogne. Knowing Patton's perceptiveness, his intuitiveness, and above all, his track record, it is next to impossible not to believe him. Yet, he was once again ignored and put in his place by his "superiors", to use the word in a military sense only.

Patton being the commander he was, envisioned what could and might happen if the Germans did decide to attack. He called his staff together for a meeting. By the time that Patton was called to attend the Allied meeting at Verdun, to discuss the "Bulge" situation, Patton was already prepared with two completely separate and distinct plans of action. All that was needed was for him to phone his Chief of Staff, utter one of two code words, and within a matter of minutes Third Army would be headed north toward Bastogne to, "... rip out their living guts and grease the treads of our tanks with them."

This was the type of planning that Patton and his staff did so well. This same staff that Bradley had termed "mediocre". Truthfully, it was the best and most loyal staff in the entire European Theater of Operations.

At one point, Patton proposed that the Germans be allowed to advance even further. Then he could attack their rear, cut off the salient at the base, and annihilate them. He was turned down.

Within less than 48 hours after that meeting, Third Army had 2 divisions attacking toward Bastogne, hitting them in the flank and abruptly stopping their offensive. Within a week he had moved the bulk of his Army, a quarter of a million strong, and including 133,000 tanks and trucks, between 50 and 70 miles to the north in the worst possible weather conditions over icy roads. It is little wonder that the Germans had such a healthy respect for and a powerful fear of Patton. It is a wonder, though, how SHAEF could continually ignore him and his ideas.

By January 23, the Ardennes Offensive was Kaput. The German had lost not only the battle, but also the war. The Germans knew it and Patton knew it. The only ones who did not know it were the masterminds at SHAEF.

After Patton had been called in to save the day, he was put back in his place. Though he had saved the Bastogne operations, he was informed that the major push would now be north of the Ruhr, meaning Montgomery.

In the aftermath of Bastogne, Patton continued to follow orders and to fight Germans. Montgomery made some noisy statements about how he had come to the rescue and saved the day for the unfortunate Americans. During his speech, one would almost get the impression that he could use the term "colonists" in lieu of "Americans". This was too much even for some of the British. Winston Churchill, speaking before the House of Commons, publicly repudiated Montgomery and his statements. It might be mentioned that had Patton acted and spoken the way Montgomery did, he would have been immediately relieved of duty by Eisenhower, castigated (or castrated) by the press, and sent home in shame. Churchill not only repudiated Montgomery, he reminded him and the British population that during the Bulge, that for every British soldier in the line, there were 35 to 40 Americans; for every British casualty, there were 55 to 60 American casualties. . . .

These, then, are the three MAJOR errors made by Eisenhower and SHAEF during WWII in the European Theater of Operations. There were others, but none which had such a wide spread effect on the possible end of the war itself. Had Patton's advice and counsel been heeded, it is very probable that the war would have been concluded by the end of 1944, instead of in 1945.

http://www.pattonhq.com/unknown/chap06.html

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:07 am
by Von Rom
ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames

You just can't stay away can you[;)]

I was going to stay away.

But then I made the mistake of reading some of the posts in this thread.

Some of it is complete and utter nonsense. . .

So I am taking the time to post more information and views on Patton and Third Army for the more thoughtful reader.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:56 am
by Von Rom
Based on information from: "Patton: A Genius for War" by Carlos D'Este, pp. 504-520; and The History Net http://www.historynet.com/ah/blpattontomessina/


Patton in Sicily

When Patton and Monty landed in Sicily, Alexander assigned Monty the role of driving north to Messina in the east, while Patton was assigned the role of "watching" Monty's flank in the west.

For two weeks Patton and his Seventh Army sat idle, while Monty's British and Canadian soldiers became bogged down in tough mountain fighting against heavily entrenched German and Italian troops.

Finally, Patton had had enough.

Taking matters into his own hands, Patton flew to meet with Alexander, and persuaded him to allow Seventh Army to drive towards Palermo. In a second meeting with Monty present, Monty also agreed that Patton should drive west and then east.

Montgomery surprised Patton by suggesting that Seventh Army capture Messina. While Keyes and Bradley had raced across Sicily, Montgomery's Eighth Army had become completely bogged down in the east. Dug-in German troops continued to hold Montgomery at Catania, while his circling movement west around Etna proceeded slowly. With Seventh Army now poised, cat-like, ready to strike east, Montgomery realized that Patton was best positioned to take the city. Besides, by attacking east Patton would relieve the pressure on Eighth Army and allow him to finally punch past Catania.

On July 22 Truscott's Division entered Palermo after covering an astonishing 100 miles in just 72 hours in mountainous and winding roads.

When Patton captured Palermo, he not only acquired a forward port to receive supplies, but he also isolated and trapped 57,000 Italian soldiers in the west, who would be unable to join the fighting.

Then Patton unleashed his armour to drive east to Messina.

As the final phase of the Sicily Campaign heated up, Patton drove his officers to push as hard as they could. Troina fell on August 6. To the south, British forces captured Adrano and--finally--Catania. Fighting a brilliant rearguard action, German army units crept back from their narrowing front toward the beaches of the Straits of Messina. There, German and Italian ships waited to ferry troops and equipment across the two-mile passage to the Italian mainland.

In an effort to by-pass enemy positions and speed up his advance, Patton authorized two amphibious landings along the north coast. On the night of August 7-8 Americans swept ashore virtually unopposed behind German lines at St. Agata. At the same time, troops from Truscott's 3rd Division launched an attack on the high ridges inland and took 1,500 prisoners, bringing Seventh Army 12 miles closer to Messina. The second landing nearly proved a disaster. Truscott felt he would not have time to get his infantry up in time to support it, and wanted to postpone the attack for one day. Bradley agreed. But Patton was having none of it. Messina lay around the corner, and this wasn't the time to slow down. Early on August 11 elements of Truscott's 30th Infantry regiment went ashore at Brolo, 12 miles behind a German front. The Americans were quickly pinned down on a hill just above town. Nearly 30 hours passed before the balance of Truscott's troops could relieve them. Progress had again been made, but at a high price.

On August 13 American troops captured Randazzo. To the south, British and Canadian troops forced the Germans from the slopes of Mt. Etna. Axis forces flooded toward Messina. On the night of August 15-16 Montgomery tried an amphibious landing of his own, putting elements of his commando and armored units ashore at Scaletta, just eight miles from Messina.

Patton ordered a third "leap-frog" operation for that same night, but by then American troops were moving so fast that they had already passed the scheduled landing site by the time the ship borne force arrived. Around 10:00 p.m. on August 16 elements of Truscott's 3rd Division entered bomb-scarred Messina. Patton immediately notified Eisenhower and Alexander, and called Bradley to tell him "we would enter Messina in the morning at 1000 hours."

Patton's victorious, hell-for-leather drive on Messina restored some luster to an otherwise badly managed campaign. Rather than firmly coordinating the moves of Seventh and Eighth Armies, Alexander had vacillated, first backing down to Montgomery and then allowing, almost forcing, Patton to set his own course. Poor decisions, such as the reassignment of Highway 124 to Montgomery (and poor air cover over the Messina Straits), ultimately cost time, and allowed Axis ships and ferries to evacuate roughly 60,000 Italian soldiers, 40,000 Germans, 10,000 vehicles, and 17,000 tons of equipment from the island--all of which would soon be used against the Allies in Italy.

The race had significant, if less tangible, repercussions for Patton and American fighting men. The fast-moving Seventh Army had proved itself the equal of Eighth Army and set a new standard in mobile warfare. The Americans, Montgomery admitted after the war, had "proved themselves to be first-class troops. It took time; but they did it more quickly than we did."

Significance

Patton's drive to Palermo and then to Messina was an operation he planned and initiated. His successful drive helped to save both Alexander's and Monty's reputations. Alexander had allowed Patton's Seventh Army to sit idle for TWO weeks. Monty's army was bogged down in the mountainous terrain in the east against stiff Axis resistance.

Patton showed the correctness of his decision because both Alexander AND Monty clearly saw the need for it, and agreed to it.

Had Patton been able to drive west when he first landed, in all likelihood, he could have bagged ALL of the Axis forces on Sicily. Even starting two weeks late, Patton still got to Messina before Monty.

Unfortunately, this delay allowed over 100,000 Axis troops and 10,000 vehicles to escape across the Straits of Messina, and would later be in position to fight Allied troops in Italy.

"Both the Tunisian and Sicily campaigns highlighted Patton’s skill at rapidly moving his forces and logistics to sustain them in order to engage and defeat the enemy. In his book Crusade in Europe, Eisenhower praises Patton’s mobility: "Speed requires training, fitness, confidence, morale, suitable transport, and skillful leadership. Patton employed these tactics relentlessly, and thus not only minimized casualties but shook the whole Italian Government so forcibly that Mussolini toppled from his position in late July."35 Also in a letter to Marshall, Eisenhower praised Patton’s "native shrewdness about logistics…and as a truly aggressive commander with brains."36 Patton’s combat and logistics units plus his staff elements constantly improved their abilities to fight and sustain their formations in the tactical environment. Now with the invasion of Europe quickly approaching, the logistics lessons learned from the Tunisian and Sicilian operations would be put to good use—as well as Patton and his Third Army."

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RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:32 am
by Von Rom
Mention has been made that Patton left no writing. This is untrue.

We know more about Patton's thoughts and plans than most other high officers. Why?

Because General Patton kept a day-to-day diary of his thoughts, plans and feelings throughout the war.

His diaries were published as "The Patton Papers 1940-1945"

Here are some reviews:

http://www.historyofmilitary.com/The_Pa ... 07173.html



Patton also wrote a book "War as I knew it", which was published in 1947.


War As I Knew It

- Book Review, by George S. Patton, Rick Atkinson (Introduction)

Book Description

Adored by many, loathed by some, General George S. Patton, Jr., was one of the most brilliant military strategists in history. War As I Knew It is the personal and candid account of his celebrated, relentless crusade across western Europe during World War II. First published in 1947, this absorbing narrative draws on Patton's vivid memories of battle and his detailed diaries, from the moment the Third Army exploded onto the Brittany Peninsula to the final Allied casualty report. The result is not only a grueling, human account of daily combat and heroic feats - including a riveting look at the Battle of the Bulge - but a valuable chronicle of the strategies and fiery personality of a legendary warrior. Patton's letters from earlier military campaigns in North Africa and Sicily, complemented by a powerful retrospective of his guiding philosophies, further reveal a man of uncompromising will and uncommon character, which made "Georgie" a household name in mid-century America. With a new introduction.

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RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:55 am
by freeboy
It is difficult for myself in hindsight to find any reasonableness to those criticle of Patton's military prowess, the arguments given seem lumped into two catagories.. the " he was arogent and full of himself" and the "what third army did wasn't so great... "
These arguments are like saying water tastes better when filtered... so what? He didn't like Monty, too similar in arogance perhaps.. and he did get passed over in favor of Bradley... Omar Bradley.. come on now that was a huge mistake!!!
And the thought that the Germans didn't regard him as the allies Ace is ludicrous... read what they actually said. sorry no references handy. Why do you think the Panzers where waiting at Calies? For Monty ggcb(good grief charlie Brown)
Looking at the French 44 45 area in ww2 one wonders at all the errors we see in hindsight.
Troops left in Norway and the Channel Islands.. toxic nerve agent not used on dday against the beaches.. but the crucial air control of the skies was lost well prior to Normandy, and the Eastern Front had bleed Germany badly. I wopuld argue that we look at the performances of this theater in light of the overall ww2 effort. Patton troops outperformed all others in the task at hand. More area taken, troops captured etc.
Would he have done well on the retreat, we'll never know, but he was a take charge and lead by example leader.. never far from his troops. Men, from this period, who I admire did not always like or agree with him. I am scratching my head on this one.. not trying to offend just really do not agree based on considerable study of the period.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:27 am
by Ludovic Coval
von Rom
Contrary to what was shown in the movie, when Patton was forced to apologize to Third Army (for the slapping incident), all his soldiers cheered loudly, so that Patton could not utter his apology. They (the soldiers of Third Army) felt that the General did not have to apologize to them. This act brought tears to Patton's eyes.

I may be wrong but if memory serve, the movie place the slap incident in Italy, by this time Patton was in charge of 7th Army. He then lost its command only to be given 3rd with Bradley help. Also, always if memory serve, Bradley and Patton were close friends.

Finally, Falaise pocket was result of Cobra, operation mainly planned by Bradley not Patton. After 3rd Army had broke German lines at Avranches (most Germans tanks were around Caen, making Brits lives miserable), she found herself without flanks with a narrow corridor to rest of 12 Army Group. (Actually Germans tried to cut-off her with their attack on Mortain).

LC

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:27 pm
by Von Rom
ORIGINAL: Ludovic Coval

von Rom
Contrary to what was shown in the movie, when Patton was forced to apologize to Third Army (for the slapping incident), all his soldiers cheered loudly, so that Patton could not utter his apology. They (the soldiers of Third Army) felt that the General did not have to apologize to them. This act brought tears to Patton's eyes.

I may be wrong but if memory serve, the movie place the slap incident in Italy, by this time Patton was in charge of 7th Army. He then lost its command only to be given 3rd with Bradley help. Also, always if memory serve, Bradley and Patton were close friends.

Finally, Falaise pocket was result of Cobra, operation mainly planned by Bradley not Patton. After 3rd Army had broke German lines at Avranches (most Germans tanks were around Caen, making Brits lives miserable), she found herself without flanks with a narrow corridor to rest of 12 Army Group. (Actually Germans tried to cut-off her with their attack on Mortain).

LC

Hi Ludovic Coval:

There were a number of factual errors in the movie Patton. The slapping incidents actually took place on Sicily.

Bradley and Patton were close friends. But Bradley slowly turned against Patton over time. They were both very different characters in personality, etc. However, while Bradley did not care for the way Patton talked sometimes, he could not fault Patton on both his fighting and tactical abilities.

Operation Cobra:

Actually, Operation Cobra, while credited to Bradley, was originally devised by Patton and his brilliant staff.

In the months to come, after North Africa, Patton was never "officially" asked about plans for any Allied operation. In private, though, it was a very different story. Very often, others would come to him to ask his views and ideas concerning future plans. Bradley, especially, would come to Patton to ask his opinion about impending operations. Often he would not only ask Patton's opinion, he would also "borrow" his thoughts. They would later turn up miraculously as Bradley's ideas. This situation became so bad that, eventually, Patton became fed up with Bradley receiving all of the credit for his ideas. As Patton put it, "I do not want any more of my ideas used without credit to me, as happens when I give them orally."

On the surface, this might seem to some people a selfish attitude, but a deeper study and thorough consideration of the situation will offer a better understanding. At Patton's expense, other General Officers were building their careers and gaining undue praise. Patton, himself, was being kept under wraps and he was being virtually ignored. Others of lesser ability were being promoted over him. In reality, he was pushing them up the ladder and they were taking the credit that was honestly due Patton.

Initially Patton did not mind Bradley stealing his ideas because as a soldier he realized that it would help the war effort. As time passed it became evident that the Allies would, indeed, win the war. Patton felt that he had been pushed far enough and that he had been taken advantage of too much. When Patton personally proffered his plans he was ignored. When Bradley put forth Patton's plans, as his own, they were most readily accepted for consideration.

Operation COBRA, the breakout in Normandy by Patton's armored divisions, was actually a slightly altered version of one of Patton's plans, but it was fully credited to Bradley. Actually, it was the first in a series of bold and brilliant plans devised by Patton during 1944.

The third Army staff never doubted that Bradley was making good in France by expropriating their boss's ideas. Patton's aide, Colonel Charles Codman, wrote to his wife, "As of August 1st, General Bradley has adopted practically all of General Patton's plans."

On august 14, 1944, Patton wrote in his diary regarding the St. Lo breakthrough, "It is really a great plan, wholly my own, and I made Bradley think that he thought of it."

Patton eventually became disgusted with the hypocrisy of the higher command. He stopped telling any of his plans to Bradley.

In reality, Patton was probably the best planner in the European Theater of Operations. Indeed, his knowledge of strategy and tactics were to say the least, equal if not superior to any of the high command such as Eisenhower, Bradley, Devers, Clark, and the British. Without exception, his intuitiveness and perceptiveness was never equaled by any of the "masterminds" at SHAEF.

Patton had worked long and hard over the years to become the competent soldier that he was. His years of dedicated study and application were not in vain. He had attended all of the Army's "command level" service schools. He not only graduated from them, but did so with honors.

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Col. Brenton G. Wallace, a staff officer under Patton, has written a book called "Patton and His Third Army" in which he claims that Patton was chiefly responsible both for the planning and execution of the famous St. Lo breakthrough, which swept on past Avranches and eventually hurled all the German armies out of France.

Battle plan credit, up until now, had gone uncontested to General Omar N. Bradley, who later commanded the 12th Army Group and many experts have laid the brilliant execution of the plan at the door of Lt. Gen. Joseph L. (Lightning Joe) Collins, a corps commander in the First Army.

But Wallace, who served as assistant chief of staff in G-3 (liaison) for the Third Army writes: "The First Army was given credit, whereas Gen. Patton planned it and executed it and used not only First Army troops but also a number of his own Third Army units."

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:43 pm
by Von Rom
ORIGINAL: freeboy

It is difficult for myself in hindsight to find any reasonableness to those criticle of Patton's military prowess, the arguments given seem lumped into two catagories.. the " he was arogent and full of himself" and the "what third army did wasn't so great... "
These arguments are like saying water tastes better when filtered... so what? He didn't like Monty, too similar in arogance perhaps.. and he did get passed over in favor of Bradley... Omar Bradley.. come on now that was a huge mistake!!!
And the thought that the Germans didn't regard him as the allies Ace is ludicrous... read what they actually said. sorry no references handy. Why do you think the Panzers where waiting at Calies? For Monty ggcb(good grief charlie Brown)
Looking at the French 44 45 area in ww2 one wonders at all the errors we see in hindsight.
Troops left in Norway and the Channel Islands.. toxic nerve agent not used on dday against the beaches.. but the crucial air control of the skies was lost well prior to Normandy, and the Eastern Front had bleed Germany badly. I wopuld argue that we look at the performances of this theater in light of the overall ww2 effort. Patton troops outperformed all others in the task at hand. More area taken, troops captured etc.
Would he have done well on the retreat, we'll never know, but he was a take charge and lead by example leader.. never far from his troops. Men, from this period, who I admire did not always like or agree with him. I am scratching my head on this one.. not trying to offend just really do not agree based on considerable study of the period.

freeboy:

I certainly understand your situation. It can be confusing - heheh

What few people, especially writers who write about Patton, fail to understand is: Patton was the consumate actor. They often confuse the "image" that Patton projected, with the military man and the fighter.

Patton believed strongly that a leader should present a very strong prescence to his troops; troops who would be facing death in battle. Patton often practised for hours in front of a mirror, perfecting his "war face". All the clothes he wore - the helmet, pistols, riding crop, etc - were designed to give the soldiers an easily identifiable image of their leader. Even the words and actions he used were done purposefully, to project the image of a tough leader.

In private, however, Patton was a cultured, highly educated man, who not only spoke French and graduated with honours from all of America's top military schools, but he also read widely on almost every subject, especially history.

Patton wrote numerous, well researched papers, and even published a two volume work of poetry.

But at heart, Patton was a warrior, with a warrior's frame of mind. Having never been defeated in battle, Patton believed in formulating plans that maximized enemy casualties while minimizing his own. Defeat, stalemate and appeasement were all repugnant to him.

Brian Horrocks wrote about George Patton in his autobiography A Full Life (1960):

"My first visit to Tripoli came on 15th February when Montgomery laid on a series of lectures, demonstrations and discussions so that the successful battle technique developed by the 8th Army, and particularly our system for joint Army/R.A.F. control, could be passed on to everyone. This was a great get-together for all of us, but my chief memory is of meeting for the first time that remarkable character, General George Patton of the U.S. Army. I found myself walking back to our hotel with Patton after Monty's initial address on " How to make war," so I asked him what he thought of it. He replied in a southern drawl, with a twinkle in his eye: " I may be old, I may be slow, I may be stupid, but it just don't mean nothing to me!"

"It was soon quite obvious that he was neither slow nor stupid. One of the remarkable things about him was the way in which, seemingly at will, he could put on two entirely different acts. Either the fine old southern gentleman and cavalry officer with his polo ponies, or the real tough guy with a steel helmet and two revolvers stuck in his belt. He was unquestionably a very strong personality and had terrific drive. His pet phrase, however sticky the battle might be, was "keep them rolling forward.""


If you want to learn more about the man, I would strongly suggest reading Carlos D'Este's "Patton: A Genius for War". At over 800 pages, it is a very balanced book, that examines Patton as a multi-dimensional man. Reviewers have called it the definitive biography of Patton. It treats its subject with respect, but it does not shy away from the faults Patton had. Highly recommended.

RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:23 pm
by Von Rom
ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames

This is something I 'snipped' from a much longer piece on quite a nice site. It's dealing with part of Pattons drive to relieve Bastogne.

http://www.thetroubleshooters.com/br122.html
The 352nd Volks Grenadier Division (General Schmidt) on the morning was advancing along the Diekirch-Ettelbruck-Merzig highway in front of, but at a right angle to the American advance from the south. Schmidt was under the impression that his division had broken through the American line and was now marching through undefended, unoccupied country. The 914th Regiment had just entered Ettelbruck when the 318th Infantry appeared. It was the artillery regiment of the 352nd, bringing up the tail of the division east of the town, which ran afoul of the Americans. Quite obviously the Germans did not expect an attack from this direction. The 914th faced left and deployed hurriedly, using the town as a base, but in the process lost its heavy metal, for the German batteries were in no position to engage in an artillery duel, and fell back to Diekirch.

The reason I quote this is to show that the 3rd Army was not driving through 'battle-hardened veterans' in December 1944. The Volksgrenadier divisions were little more than 'Home Guard' units comprised of men previously classed too old or too unfit for combat service.


heheh

With all due respect, but if you are seeking to destroy Third Army's accomplishments, at least be fair-minded about it.

You take this one minor situation and unit, and then project it to cover ALL of Third Army's operations during the entire Bulge operation.

That German unit being where it was indicates:

1) The Germans were not expecting an attack on that flank (and so Patton's attack was a surprise). Any military leader worth his salt knows that you attack the enemy's flank, where he is the weakest.

2) Many other units of Third Army were fighting elsewhere, and not just against this one German unit.

3) Patton firmly believed in hitting the enemy where he was weakest and least expected it. He achieved that in the Bulge.

Many German units that fought in the Battle of the Bulge included some of the very best troops Germany had to offer.

Over 250,000 German troops, well supported by armor and artillery, poured into the Ardennes region. Green American troops, unprepared and vastly outnumbered, were pushed back and a massive pocket was formed in the Allied lines.

These German troops included: the 1st SS Panzer Korps, the 47th Panzer Korps, Kampfrguppe Peiper, the German 7th Armee, the Fifth and Sixth Panzer Armies, Panzer Lehr and the 5th Parachute divisions, among others.

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RE: Why was Patton so great?

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:45 pm
by Von Rom
Further to the above.

The German 352nd VolksGrenadier Division was NOT made up of old men. It was in fact comprised of veteran infantry soldiers who were drawn from a variety of other infantry divisons.

Here is the battle history of this unit:


The 352nd VGD was created at first under various names in December, 1940.

Originally known as the 352 Infantry Division, it suffered heavy losses in Russia, and was reorganized in November, 1943 at St Lô by including the 321st , 389th and 356th Infantry Divisions into it.

This newly reorganized division was again strongly reduced further during D-Day and more specifically during the battles of July, 1944.

In September, it was recreated in Germany by incorporating into it the survivors of the 581st Infantry Division.

It then became known as the 352nd VGD. But it comprised veteran infantry soldiers from various other infantry units.

After a training period on the western front, it participated in the Battle of the Bulge under Erich Otto Schmidt's command, fighting along side of the German veteran 5th Parachute Division.