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If the sinking of American carriers didn’t dictated production levels, and if it is non-factor in play balancing… why include it as is not historical and adds nothing to balancing the game? Not all that significant in my opinion… just odd.

ORIGINAL: strawbuk

ORIGINAL: Beezle

Hehehehehe. I had forgotten the VE day Effect.

Yeah, I want 25 divisions in SF, all with Exp 90, on 9/1/45. (How many of those are armored?)

Highly experienced but highly p*ssed off. They'd won one war (well they help Brits really...) somebody other Joe should win next one.

ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain

They were ACTUAL ESSEX carriers that WERE going to be built and deployed no matter if the original Carriers were sunk or not.

They did not say Oh dear we lost the Yorktown, we need to start building an replacement, they were already in the plans o be built and would have been built irregardless so terming them "extras" is a misnomer.

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

If the IJN sank that many US CVs the game would probobly end in instant victory before many of the lost ships got "cloned" and returned.

If the USN loses all 6 CVs in 1942 the IJN should take enough teritory to get the points to end the game.

Not if they trade them 1 for 1 or even 2 for 1. The respawning encourages the Allied player to play more aggressively with his CA and CV than he would be likely to otherwise.

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Not if they trade them 1 for 1 or even 2 for 1. The respawning encourages the Allied player to play more aggressively with his CA and CV than he would be likely to otherwise.

Thats the goal! [;)] Thats what happened Historically! [;)]

Think Coral Sea would have happened with the USA playing wimpy? Think Midway would have happened?

This is a screwed arguement, Ray.

ORIGINAL: Svar

Just for the record, the CA respawn rule also includes CLs. I don't know when it was changed but in my AI vs AI game that was stopped at 7/28/45 v1.21 Scenario #16 modified, there were 14 respawned Baltimore class CAs in theater along with the 4 that were already in the game. There would have been 15 but the Australia was sunk for the second time before 1944 and not respawned. Of the 15 total respawned CAs 7 were from sunk CLs. Not every sunk CA or CL was respawned as a CA but there were more respawned CAs than respawned CLs. Just the luck of the draw I guess. One of the respawned CLs was the Columbia which entered the game as a Cleveland class CL. The Perth was also sunk twice before 1944 but not respawned twice while the Lexington was sunk twice and respawned twice. It was the only Essex class CV sunk. Also for the record, there were so many respawned CAs entering the game with the USS Baltimore that some of them entered the game missing guns and were never repaired. The worst was the Houston which entered with 3 8" main guns instead of the 9 for a normal Baltimore class CA. Two other CAs entering at that time were short 8" guns, so I guess the game tracks the number of naval guns being produced as well as army guns. Most of the respawned CAs that entered a few months after the USS Baltimore had the full complement of weapons installed.

Just for the record, the CA respawn rule also includes CLs.

ORIGINAL: fbastos

Just for the record, the CA respawn rule also includes CLs.

Manual 5 x Fbastos 0...

"An American or Australian CA that is sunk prior to 1944 will be replaced..."
/Sigh

F.

ORIGINAL: Charles_22
Pitiful, truly pitiful (respawning twice) as though virtually 1/2 the fleet can respawn isn't bad enough. This may be enough to make me quit the game forever.

ORIGINAL: Svar

ORIGINAL: Charles_22
Pitiful, truly pitiful (respawning twice) as though virtually 1/2 the fleet can respawn isn't bad enough. This may be enough to make me quit the game forever.

I wouldn't get too excited about Lexington being respawned twice, it was the 5th Essex class CV respawned so those together with the 13 original Essex class CVs still only amount to 18 and there were 19 built during the timeframe of this game. The 'last' Lexington entered the game on 4/28/45 without its fighters again just like all the other respawned CVs which could have led to sinking of the Essex class Lexington in the first place. I thought that having the carrier trained squadrons assigned to the West Coast was keeping the SF based VFs from joining the respawned CVs when they arrived at SF but for the second Lexington the AI reassigned VF-2 to the Central Pacific and sent it to Hilo. When I check the last save (7/28/45) the Lexington was operating south of Iwo Jima and VF-2 was still in Hilo, apparently the Lady Lex just sailed right past without reboarding her fighter squadron. Since there is some kind of bug keeping those CVs that don't enter the game with VBF squadrons from ever acquiring them, the Lexington is operating with 33 A/C.

There better be a toggle for this nonsense or WITP is history for me.

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

There better be a toggle for this nonsense or WITP is history for me.

Why overreact? Just find a PBEM opponent who will agree not to use them. Anyway, if you are giving him fleets full of "free" ships, it is because you are giving him a royal bunny-stomping. This is not such as big deal as everyone seems to want to make it.