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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

This video is likely to be ignored, but, at least I tried.

Relevance, we are all debating information.
This video is from a physics individual whom I can assure you, is a great deal smarter than most of us.

It concerns information and how we interact with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDne7CBXRn0

Took forever to get my wife to understand anyone can say anything on Farcebook and nothing can be believed and Farcebook owns you literally.

Two thousand pilgrims, five days of prayer and a virus: in Mulhouse, the scenario of a contagion
By Raphaëlle Bacqué and Ariane Chemin

The faithful of the Evangelical Church of the Christian Open Door spread, despite themselves, the coronavirus across the country, and even to Guyana. At least seventeen of them died today.

Mulhouse (Haut-Rhin), Monday February 17, 9:30 am. Cars park one by one in the large parking lot with 450 spaces. Clusters of adults and children are coming out: it's a week of school holidays for families. Other devotees tumble on foot, alone or as a couple. The sky is rainy but, outside, the day begins with hugs. We fall into our arms before rushing into the church, an old supermarket surmounted by a high cross hoisted on a stainless steel triptych, the symbol of the Trinity.

More than two thousand people, including 295 children, have gathered for the "week of fasting and prayer" organized for twenty-five years, during Lent, by the church The Open Christian Door.

The crowd disembarks from Mulhouse and its surroundings, but also from the rest of the country, from neighboring Germany, or even from Belgium or Switzerland. The Open Door deserves its name: fasting is not strict there - it is not even recommended for the elderly or sick - and the gathering, obviously free, requires no prior registration, as if to preserve this spontaneous outburst of faith and mutual aid.
2,200 worshipers in the Great Hall

Seven faithful came from Vesoul, in Haute-Saône, three others from Cornimont, in the Vosges. Six Ajacciennes also made the trip, as well as fifteen Guyanese, accompanied by their pastor. These belong to one of the eighteen evangelical churches of Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni.

Corsica, Guyana ... The friendships made in previous years meet weekly on Facebook, but some have not seen each other for a year. It deserves four kisses, at least, before finding a seat in the concrete building.

Newspaper "Le Monde".

Not about Religion; 17/2200=0.77% death rate.

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

This video is likely to be ignored, but, at least I tried.

Relevance, we are all debating information.
This video is from a physics individual whom I can assure you, is a great deal smarter than most of us.

It concerns information and how we interact with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDne7CBXRn0

Thanks for posting that MrsW.

The documentary "Stare In to the Lights My Pretties" explores a lot what Sabine talks about in that Youtube video but in a much broader context. It can be watched online at the site for free legitimately. Well worth two hours of anyone's time, especially now we are all stuck in at home.

ORIGINAL: rico21

Two thousand pilgrims, five days of prayer and a virus: in Mulhouse, the scenario of a contagion
By Raphaëlle Bacqué and Ariane Chemin

The faithful of the Evangelical Church of the Christian Open Door spread, despite themselves, the coronavirus across the country, and even to Guyana. At least seventeen of them died today.

Mulhouse (Haut-Rhin), Monday February 17, 9:30 am. Cars park one by one in the large parking lot with 450 spaces. Clusters of adults and children are coming out: it's a week of school holidays for families. Other devotees tumble on foot, alone or as a couple. The sky is rainy but, outside, the day begins with hugs. We fall into our arms before rushing into the church, an old supermarket surmounted by a high cross hoisted on a stainless steel triptych, the symbol of the Trinity.

More than two thousand people, including 295 children, have gathered for the "week of fasting and prayer" organized for twenty-five years, during Lent, by the church The Open Christian Door.

The crowd disembarks from Mulhouse and its surroundings, but also from the rest of the country, from neighboring Germany, or even from Belgium or Switzerland. The Open Door deserves its name: fasting is not strict there - it is not even recommended for the elderly or sick - and the gathering, obviously free, requires no prior registration, as if to preserve this spontaneous outburst of faith and mutual aid.
2,200 worshipers in the Great Hall

Seven faithful came from Vesoul, in Haute-Saône, three others from Cornimont, in the Vosges. Six Ajacciennes also made the trip, as well as fifteen Guyanese, accompanied by their pastor. These belong to one of the eighteen evangelical churches of Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni.

Corsica, Guyana ... The friendships made in previous years meet weekly on Facebook, but some have not seen each other for a year. It deserves four kisses, at least, before finding a seat in the concrete building.

Newspaper "Le Monde".

Not about Religion; 17/2200=0.77% death rate.

This gathering took place on 17 February. At the time there were no more than 12 suspected cases and 6 confirmed in France. If you look at this forum you will see that at that time people were still dismissing the virus as much to do about nothing. How can anyone fault others for feeling the same?

"Not about Religion" About misleading information.

WHO situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... 384bc74c_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

"Discovery", a large European essay

Professor Raoult is at the center of a global debate on the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to fight coronavirus. Certain doctors, certain countries and elected officials call for a wide administration of hydroxychloroquine.

But a large part of the scientific community and health organizations are calling for a rigorous scientific validation, warning of the possible risks.

A large European trial coordinated by Inserm, called "Discovery", started on March 22 to test the effectiveness of different molecules, including hydroxychloroquine, against Covid-19. Eight hundred French patients with severe forms of Covid-19 will be included in this trial, and 3,200 in Europe, far more than the 80 in Professor Raoult's latest study.

This research is a test carried out by lot and which provides for five treatment methods, among which hydroxychloroquine, which will be compared like the other molecules tested.
Dr Gilles Pialoux: "Hydroxychloroquine will be compared like the other molecules. No more no less."

Newspaper "Le Monde".

ORIGINAL: rico21
Certain doctors, certain countries and elected officials call for a wide administration of hydroxychloroquine.

"Vital drug for people with lupus running out after unproven Covid-19 link"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... hloroquine

This is a link to a corona virus spread sheet that can be searched by various statistical headings. It is provided by Real Clear Politics.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Today's worldwide figures:

31776/678857 = 4.7%

Yup, going up. But, without reports from China the numbers are way unreliable?

RR

This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.

ORIGINAL: Toby42

This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.

He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Toby42

This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.

He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?

Ha! Good question?

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Toby42

This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.

He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?

Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... 8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Toby42

This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.

He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?

Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... 8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.

I am not being silly. How will he count the suicide of the Hessian as a corona virus death? It appears that he could not handle the pressure placed upon him.

As far as statistics go, three statisticians went deer hunting and they saw a deer. The first one fired and missed, wide to the left. The second one fired and missed, wide to the right by the same distance. The third one jumped up and down, yelling "We got him, we got him!" Taking the average of the two shots, the third one is correct.

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?

Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... 8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.

I am not being silly. How will he count the suicide of the Hessian as a corona virus death? It appears that he could not handle the pressure placed upon him.

As far as statistics go, three statisticians went deer hunting and they saw a deer. The first one fired and missed, wide to the left. The second one fired and missed, wide to the right by the same distance. The third one jumped up and down, yelling "We got him, we got him!" Taking the average of the two shots, the third one is correct.

What is 33,903 divided by 150,918? So, unless you have problems with division you will see that number is not wrong. I personally don't care. I simply post the numbers put up by organizations with more knowledge than you and I put together. If you would bother to look deeper into Worldometer's site you will see they look at both ways of doing it. That is the correct way to go about it because until the dust settles neither method is correct.

The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

RR

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

RR

I'm going with the Germans on this one!

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

RR

That is what Lemay is doing.

This weekend, a first episode of spring pollution was observed in several points of the territory, especially in Ile-de-France and in the Grand-Est, the two regions most affected by the spread of the Covid epidemic- 19. Because, while the containment measures made it possible to reduce pollution linked to road traffic with a spectacular fall in nitrogen oxide emissions, they had no effect on the levels of fine particles, the most dangerous for health because they penetrate deep into the airways. These levels even increased during the week due to weather conditions (sunshine and absence of wind) to exceed, on Saturday March 28, the legal limits, in the Paris agglomeration, the Bas-Rhin or the Haut-Rhin.

In addition to residential wood heating, this episode of pollution is characterized by "a large proportion of secondary particles formed from ammonia and nitrogen oxides, ammonia being mainly derived from the spreading of fertilizers", recalls Atmo Grand -Is the organization responsible for monitoring air pollution in the region. The chemical process is well known: during agricultural spreading, ammonia gas (NH3), passing through the atmosphere, reacts with nitrogen oxides (NOx) - from road traffic or industrial activity - to form particles of ammonium nitrate and ammonium sulfate. These particles can travel for several kilometers, hence the pollution peaks observed in large cities, such as Paris, Strasbourg or Mulhouse.

The areas affected by these peaks are also those that pay the highest price for the coronavirus. In a note released on Friday, March 27, Atmo France, which brings together all of the air quality monitoring organizations, concludes that "chronic exposure to air pollution is an aggravating factor for health impacts during of contagion by Covid-19 ".

"Pollution damages the mucous membranes of the respiratory tract and the lung, which makes viruses more easily penetrate, and fine particles transport the viruses to the bottom of the airways"

A week earlier, several doctors and researchers, all specialists in air pollution, had raised the alarm. In a letter, sent on March 21 to all the prefects, the Air-Santé-Climat collective challenged the State on "the need to drastically limit agricultural spreading, in order to do everything to limit the spread of the virus" .

Member of the collective and director of the epidemiology department of allergic and respiratory diseases at Inserm, Isabella Annesi-Maesano details the mechanism: "Pollution damages the mucous membranes of the respiratory tract and lung, which makes viruses and , by aggregation, fine and ultrafine particles carry viruses at the bottom of the airways. In 2003, a study published in the public health scientific journal Environmental Health analyzed the link between air pollution and lethal cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS; caused by SARS-CoV) in China. . It showed that infected patients living in moderately polluted regions were 84% more likely to die than patients in less polluted regions. Similarly, patients living in heavily polluted areas were twice as likely to die from SARS as those in less polluted areas.
The hypothesis of virus transport in the air via particles

An Italian study, published March 17, by the Italian Society of Environmental Medicine, goes further. Based on the correlation between the high levels of pollution observed in Lombardy and the large number of victims of the coronavirus, it suggests that fine particles could also contribute to the propagation of Covid-19 by transporting it in the air.

Newspaper"Le Monde".