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RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:57 pm
by tjhkkr
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:29 am
by AlGrant
For those on Twitter - this guy is worth a follow for some interesting air tracks and info.
https://twitter.com/CivMilAir
Some of the info is quite time limited though .... like this current NOTAM for Russian Naval exercise areas off Syria

RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:54 am
by tjhkkr
Japanese Stealth Fighter.
I believe Japan has the capability, but the plane does not look very stealthy...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/jap ... li=BBnb7Kz

RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:17 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: tjhkkr
Japanese Stealth Fighter.
I believe it's more likely a retaliative development for US denied to sell F-22 to Japan in 2008, addressing the increasing concern about Russian/Chinese threats with Flankers, while their F-15J fleet are harder to maintain since Japan is no longer produce them.
But as Japan signed the deal for F-35A, the X-2 development serve very little purpose besides to address their technological capability, with or without US's stealth fighter technologies. Now the US Congress is reconsidering the F-22 production line, Japan may seems they're going their path right.
The only question is, how powerful can it be if the terminal development does indeed only 14m long. Unless their AAM4 is small as Meteor, or as rumor said it will fight with drones, the weapon bay will be very small for US missiles.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:27 pm
by Wiz33
Look like this might change
"(CNN)A week after Russian military aircraft buzzed dangerously close to U.S. Navy ships and Air Force spy planes, Congress is considering bringing back production of stealthy F-22 Raptor air-to-air fighter jets. Lawmakers have tacked an amendment onto a defense bill that will determine how much it would cost and how difficult it would be to ramp up production of the Air Force's fifth generation dogfighter. They also want to know about possible options for exporting F-22s to allies"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/ ... index.html
I'm sure Japan will want at least 50+ and The UK maybe interested. If we can get the foreign order above 100, it should help a lot in deferring the startup cost.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:28 pm
by wild_Willie2
A F22 restart will not happen, you basically would have to redesign the entire aircraft in order to incorporate the latest F35 tech into it. Also, many F22 systems and components are no longer made and the old suppliers have either gone bankrupt or have moved on to newer products, so you would have to spend even more money redesigning these items to modern components etz. etz. etz.
Read my lips: IT WILL NOT HAPPEN...
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:35 pm
by Vici Supreme
ORIGINAL: Wiz33
I'm sure Japan will want at least 50+ and The UK maybe interested. If we can get the foreign order above 100, it should help a lot in deferring the startup cost.
You know that under American law the F-22 is not allowed to be exported, right?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:24 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0
You know that under American law the F-22 is not allowed to be exported, right?
No, but two real life examples will makes Japan still persist for it or alike:
1, Even the sold F-14s to the Pre-revolutionary Iran was considered the most advance interceptors of the west, along with its radar, missiles and other techs. Soviet Unions still had a chance to have them after the Iranian revolution, and produce the Soviet counterparts for their new jets. However, without the actual supplier and maintenance from US, these Persian Cats are crying for retirement rather than posturing actual threats to Israel or other Arabian countries, whom will equip better fighters few decades later. The danger of technology being stolen or becomes hostile against US if the state gone rogue is getting slim, if she have poor economy, military industry and reverse engineering complex.
2, Self-developing their own stealth fighters in many countries are already their future plans, no matter the marketing of US F-35 become successful or not. Without the involvement of US stealth technology, they have nothing to argue with it (besides the OPFOR that developing it may be reported by general media, that accuse them to stole the stealth technology. But US never address which part of it was stolen, contradicting the military transparency policy as well as avoiding the detail being phished to public). But if Japan does happy with X-2 as it's developed a capable stealth fighter in the future, then it will heavily affect the selling of F-35 for Japan as well.
So I think, after the current presidency of US, this law may waver, along with 'incentive threat of Chinese/Russian Flankers'.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:27 pm
by thewood1
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0
ORIGINAL: Wiz33
I'm sure Japan will want at least 50+ and The UK maybe interested. If we can get the foreign order above 100, it should help a lot in deferring the startup cost.
You know that under American law the F-22 is not allowed to be exported, right?
Wait...its congress looking into it. They set the original law so if they are looking at using exports to offset costs, I'm sure they would repeal that ban at the same time.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:53 am
by tjhkkr
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:19 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: tjhkkr
Now this is interesting:
The v1.11 RC18 has that sub in DB3000.
Though, 1300km and 1500nm are completely two kinds of ranges, as either SK or US's military thinktanks suggested. Must it be a missile against Japan (and US military garrison in it) rather than SK?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:18 am
by CrazyIvan101
ORIGINAL: Dysta
ORIGINAL: tjhkkr
Japanese Stealth Fighter.
I believe it's more likely a retaliative development for US denied to sell F-22 to Japan in 2008, addressing the increasing concern about Russian/Chinese threats with Flankers, while their F-15J fleet are harder to maintain since Japan is no longer produce them.
But as Japan signed the deal for F-35A, the X-2 development serve very little purpose besides to address their technological capability, with or without US's stealth fighter technologies. Now the US Congress is reconsidering the F-22 production line, Japan may seems they're going their path right.
The only question is, how powerful can it be if the terminal development does indeed only 14m long. Unless their AAM4 is small as Meteor, or as rumor said it will fight with drones, the weapon bay will be very small for US missiles.
It is a smaller scale tech demonstrator that will lead to a significantly larger production aircraft if development continues.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:59 pm
by Dysta
China can make and sell drones, from mere toys to missile delivery platform. So it shouldn't be surprising that China also can make armed loiterers (like kamikaze drones, but it's more for confirmed the target to act as a weapon. While most of the time is just for surveillance or intimidating ground hostile) like CH-901, and it's claimed to be in service few years ago:
http://www.janes.com/article/59623/dsa- ... g-munition
DSA 2016: China details CH-901 UAV and loitering munition
China's Poly Defense has provided details about its CH-901 man-portable tube launched unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and loitering munition, similar in concept to the US AeroVironment Switchblade.
The CH-901 designation likely means it is a product of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC).
A Poly official said it has been in development for "several years" and that both versions have been acquired by China's People's Liberation Army. This official added that while "several friendly countries" have shown interest, there have been no foreign sales so far.
One operating system weighs 45 kg and consists of three UAVs, one launch tube and a laptop computer control system. It is man-portable or can be carried by a small SUV.
The 1.2 m length aircraft weighs 9 kg, flies at a speed of 150 km/hr and has an operating radius of 15 km or a search endurance of 120 minutes.
Its small search and tracking camera is able to detect targets out to 2 km. The electric motor is credited with "low noise" that helps concealment. The aircraft has a life span of 20 sorties or 10 years.
Poly officials declined to provide details about the warhead of the loitering munition version.
Also the rumored newest Chinese interceptor boat development, both manned and unmanned, have unveiled with pictures and claimed it was tested:
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/uv-o ... echnology/
DSA 2016: China's surprise UV technology
Two unmanned systems were shown by Poly Technologies from China at its booth at Defence Services Asia 2016, one a surface vessel (USV) and the other an aerial vehicle (UAV).
The former is titled the High-Speed Intercept Boat. It is being shown for the first time outside China, even though it is still in development.
A Poly Technologies representative said the 13m-long craft will be ready for sale next year once development concludes. It is being created in conjunction with Harbin Engineering University, with the target client being naval and maritime security agencies at home and abroad.
It is understood that the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has been trialling the High-Speed Intercept Boat to secure a naval base.
In tests the trimaran-hulled vessel has achieved a top speed of 75kt, although the target is 80kt. It is propelled by twin 850hp engines and has a 600mm draft. Its range is listed as 200nm.
Company literature states the High-Speed Intercept Boat can accommodate a crew of six, confirming it can perform either manned or unmanned ‘patrolling, intercepting and military missions’.
Optional armament on the sleek High-Speed Intercept Boat, which use planing technology to achieve its high speeds, includes a 12.7mm machine gun or two 7.62mm machine guns.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:22 pm
by Hongjian
@Dysta
You might want to see the WS-43 MRLS launched loitering attack munition that has been presented in the last Zhuhai Airshow. Same concept, but with longer range (60km). Strangely, it has a shorter loitering time (30 min).
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.c ... ruise.html
Good (or bad, depending on your view) to see that they have improved the technology so much, that a seemingly man-portable/light vehicle borne weapon can loiter for 1-2 hours now.
Interesting news. Thanks for sharing!
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:10 pm
by Hongjian
Jilin-1 commercial observation satellite streaming 4k live footage and tracking an airliner in flight
http://www.miaopai.com/show/SWQV9DYFGcX ... LRBQ__.htm
Skip to 1:00
The Jilin-1 was launched just last year:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/10 ... -march-2d/
Even though this is a commercial satellite, this capability of live-streaming footages and tracking flying objects would give one some indication of the military-satellites in Chinese service.

RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:17 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: Hongjian
@Dysta
You might want to see the WS-43 MRLS launched loitering attack munition that has been presented in the last Zhuhai Airshow. Same concept, but with longer range (60km). Strangely, it has a shorter loitering time (30 min).
Efficiency issue compare to turboprop that CH-901 is using?
But clearly in CMANO, there's NONE of the indigenous LAM except the Israel-export Harpi for China, which is 90s and pathetically slow. CH-901 LAM might be the only thing I can suggest to DB3000, but I am certain there is should be more than that. If there's no loiterers to do the initial stage of scenario, then China will always be in disadvantage compare to a huge arsenal of loitering systems from US and exported countries.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:52 pm
by jtoatoktoe
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:08 am
by thewood1
Quick question...is there any skepticism of the models and videos that keep coming out about Chinese or Russian weapon systems. The US defense industry pumps out videos and models left and right and I see skepticism left and right...look at the F-35 as an extreme example. Yet it seems every announcement about a Chinese cruise missile is met with an attitude that whatever is being announced is a done deal. Is this just rampant nationalism, fear-mongering, political posturing...or what?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:22 am
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: thewood1
Quick question...is there any skepticism of the models and videos that keep coming out about Chinese or Russian weapon systems. The US defense industry pumps out videos and models left and right and I see skepticism left and right...look at the F-35 as an extreme example. Yet it seems every announcement about a Chinese cruise missile is met with an attitude that whatever is being announced is a done deal. Is this just rampant nationalism, fear-mongering, political posturing...or what?
Honestly we really don't add stuff without checking a lot. This is because we've been burned so much.
Example is tonight I was working on Algerian air defense system. Go to Wikipedia...see Buks, Tunguska and Pantsir. Look around some more find some forums with a bunch of copied posts or an old news article recycled 400 times. Go out to just look to find a picture of an Algerian system. Not one to be found but tons of pictures of them on testing ground in Russia with Russian markings. This means its likely not happening or nothing has been delivered yet. This is why we ask for pictures etc.
In general I hate this string because for every great post (and there are!) there are at least two that seems to be written by somebody who thinks this its a dinky measuring contest or is mad their cable sucks etc. Its annoying. Good news is most can pick out who the boneheads are.
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:14 am
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
In general I hate this string because for every great post (and there are!) there are at least two that seems to be written by somebody who thinks this its a dinky measuring contest or is mad their cable sucks etc. Its annoying. Good news is most can pick out who the boneheads are.
I usually made this mistake when I still not fully understand about it. Afterward I only searching for photographs of real-life unit and its specification whenever I need to suggest to DB3000. So far I only check some Chinese units before 2000, which is either missing or with wrong weapon configurations.