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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Quick question...is there any skepticism of the models and videos that keep coming out about Chinese or Russian weapon systems. The US defense industry pumps out videos and models left and right and I see skepticism left and right...look at the F-35 as an extreme example. Yet it seems every announcement about a Chinese cruise missile is met with an attitude that whatever is being announced is a done deal. Is this just rampant nationalism, fear-mongering, political posturing...or what?

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Chinese Wikipedia (with on-line translator) is a good general source for old (and no old, and all with external sources) Chinese warships, but the articles in Chinese Wikipedia about Chinese missiles and planes are, ejem, "short", and are more extensive in English Wikipedia.

ORIGINAL: Dysta

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Chinese Wikipedia (with on-line translator) is a good general source for old (and no old, and all with external sources) Chinese warships, but the articles in Chinese Wikipedia about Chinese missiles and planes are, ejem, "short", and are more extensive in English Wikipedia.

I hardly try to refer them from Baidu Baike (Baidu-pedia) or other websites that imitated Chinese encyclopedia. Indeed there are some decent articles of Chinese arsenals that comes with history, development, and even the involved people with names on it. But they are still the same as fan-sites, and some overly optimistic, or real but pictureless weapons will only make more doubts than believing it.

Mostly when foreign media/analysis start to 'see things' (from satellite images to US radar detecting anomalies at China), they will usually try to 'phish out' Chinese weapon developments by giving name on them (like WU-14 the Chinese Hypersonic Vehicle, the name was given by US, and then changed to DF-ZF when they say they're possibly in service). We all know that China never officially announce this kind of weapon, and there are numerous rumors saying China is definitely capable to it. Yet, China denied to follow the western of military transparency, by admitting that development.

But I think I must stop here. As developers said they MUST see pictures and speculations before adding units, there's NOTHING we could do.

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Chinese Wikipedia (with on-line translator) is a good general source for old (and no old, and all with external sources) Chinese warships, but the articles in Chinese Wikipedia about Chinese missiles and planes are, ejem, "short", and are more extensive in English Wikipedia.

Australia's Prime Minister today announced that the next generation of submarines for Australia will be constructed at the Adelaide shipyard, securing thousands of jobs and ensuring the project will play a key part in the transition of our economy. DCNS of France has been selected as the preferred international partner for the design of the 12 Future Submarines, subject to further discussions on commercial matters.

The Future Submarine project is the largest and most complex defence acquisition Australia has ever undertaken. It will be a vital part of our Defence capability well into the middle of this century.

This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1,100 Australian jobs and a further 1,700 Australian jobs through the supply chain.

Today’s announcement follows the comprehensive Competitive Evaluation Process (CEP) involving DCNS, TKMS of Germany and the Government of Japan. Each bidder submitted very high quality proposals and the Australian Government takes this opportunity to thank both TKMS and the Government of Japan for their ongoing commitment to Australia and their participation in the process.

The process was overseen by an independent Expert Advisory Panel, chaired by former Secretary of the United States Navy, Professor Donald Winter. It was peer reviewed by Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (retired) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (retired).

This decision was driven by DCNS’s ability to best meet all of Australia's unique capability requirements. These included superior sensor performance and stealth characteristics, as well as range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine. The Government’s considerations also included cost, schedule, program execution, through-life support and Australian industry involvement.

Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.

ORIGINAL: Dysta

A good decision, consider the ultimate plan for trans-regional submarine should be nuclear powered, and France have technology for it. Conventional power might be short legged, but Australian navy does have a naval base close enough to prepare troubles from Indonesia and SCS region.

If their cooperation can go further as planned and budget allowed, then one or two nuclear subs will definitely shining the Oceanic naval power as much as US navy at Hawaii.

ORIGINAL: Anathema
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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Actually reading on the DCNS site suggests we are accepting a sub that doesn't yet exist???[&:]
Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.

ORIGINAL: Glenn Beasley

This Decision didnt seemingly (Imo) follow the mainstream thinking of the Defence industry Punditry.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... hina-15934

ORIGINAL: Glenn Beasley

This Decision didnt seemingly (Imo) follow the mainstream thinking of the Defence industry Punditry.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... hina-15934

China Successfully Tests Hypersonic Missile

Seventh test of new DF-ZF glider tracked over northern China


BY: Bill Gertz
April 27, 2016 5:00 am

China successfully flight tested its new high-speed maneuvering warhead last week, days after Russia carried out its own hypersonic glider test, according to Pentagon officials.

The test of the developmental DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle was monitored after launch Friday atop a ballistic missile fired from the Wuzhai missile launch center in central China, said officials familiar with reports of the test.

The maneuvering glider, traveling at several thousand miles per hour, was tracked by satellites as it flew west along the edge of the atmosphere to an impact area in the western part of the country.

It was the seventh successful flight test of the revolutionary glider, which travels at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 miles per hour.

ORIGINAL: DeSade

New teeth for China subs:

http://www.janes.com/article/59687/dsa- ... nd-old-lcu

as this is export version, it is quite possible that 290km range is extended for domestic version. Trade-off for range is payload, with only 155 kg warhead.

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