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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

the end of the good times for pandemia profiteers:

amazon cracking on Corona virus price gouging

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/tech ... llers.html

Good, prosecute them. I don't think that Amazon and E-bay have listings for only certain states so every state that has laws against profiteering can prosecute them. It will be education for the people who think that profiteering is a good idea. Also, let them pay their way for any time in jail/prison.

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: obvert

This has been done already in China. One female doctor who recovered donated her plasma for this cause.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... -life.html

[font="Trebuchet MS"]The Chinese government has urged recovered patients to donate plasma, which experts say contains antibodies that could be used to treat the sick. Ms. Deng contacted a local blood bank soon after getting home.

She plans to go back to work as soon as the hospital allows it.

“It was the nation that saved me,” she said. “And I think I can pay it back to the nation.”[/font]

It seems they've been doing this since early February treat some patients at least.

https://time.com/5784286/covid-19-china ... treatment/

[font="Trebuchet MS"]China National Biotec Group Co. has been using this plasma, which contains highly potent antibodies, to treat more than 10 seriously ill patients since Feb. 8, the company said in an statement on its official WeChat account Thursday night. It claimed that those receiving the treatment improved within 24 hours, with reduced inflammation and viral loads along with better oxygen levels in the blood.[/font]

Which makes this even more encouraging. It's not a theory. It works!! And best of all, per the first story, none of this is "new technology". The hardware exists and the process exists.

Yep. It is heartening, especially for more serious cases.

Brand new, only 20 minutes into it myself right now. Peter Attia, MD interviews very serious experts.

https://peterattiamd.com/peterhotez/

In this episode, Dr. Peter Hotez M.D., Ph.D., Dean for the National School of Tropical Medicine Baylor College of Medicine, shares his expertise on viral disease and how it applies specifically to the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and the virus that causes it (SARS-CoV-2). Dr. Hotez informs us about the current state of disease progression, which has many unknowns, but has thus far been greatly determined by the delayed response time and lack of testing. Moreover, we discuss what we can do on a country, state, community, and individual level in order to collectively slow transmission of the disease. He shares with us a potential hope in convalescent plasma therapy and underscores the need for US federal involvement – particularly in the creation of a specialty task force to address areas of concern and unknowns.

Disclaimer: This is information accurate as of March 13, 2020, when it was recorded.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report

Government documents seen by the South China Morning Post show the first reported case of COVID-19 surfaced on November 17. Scientists believe that a 55-year-old person from Hubei, a province in central China, could be "patient zero" though that has not yet been confirmed.

I've seen it posted a few times that, essentially, China did not experience exponential growth of infections until such and such a date. I think the information in (and linked to in) this article shows the number of infections grew rapidly right from the start.

Government documents seen by the South China Morning Post show the first reported case of COVID-19 surfaced on November 17. Scientists believe that a 55-year-old person from Hubei, a province in central China, could be "patient zero" though that has not yet been confirmed.

Of the first nine cases to be reported in November -- four men and five women -- none have turned out to be "patient zero," a term used to refer to the person identified as the first carrier of a communicable disease.

Each day after November 17, one to five new cases were reported, and by December 15, the number of infections had grown to 27. Five days later, the number reached 60, the SCMP said.

On December 27, Zhang Jixian, a Chinese doctor from Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, told health authorities that the peculiar pneumonia-like illness infecting people was actually caused by a new coronavirus. Three days later, the number of confirmed cases had jumped to 266. Twenty-four hours later, the number spiked to 381.

A quotation from the original article:

As late as January 11, Wuhan’s health authorities were still claiming there were just 41 confirmed cases.

It's easy to understand why various people have questioned the official tallies from that area.

This link is in the article linked above, but for your convenience here is the original:
Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

the end of the good times for pandemia profiteers:

amazon cracking on Corona virus price gouging

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/tech ... llers.html

Amazon cracks down on Canadian coronavirus price-gouging couple

https://www.foxnews.com/world/amazon-cr ... ce-gougers

No Miracle Whip here:

Mayo Clinic develops coronavirus test to ‘help ease some of the burden’ on CDC, state labs

https://www.foxnews.com/health/mayo-cli ... virus-test

Deadliest pandemics in modern history

https://www.foxnews.com/health/deadlies ... rn-history

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I presume that figure is worldwide. I am sure a lot of second and third world nations are just starting to get the capacity to test and know their numbers. Heaven knows how many may try and hide or downplay their numbers to encourage tourists to visit. During my 10 days in Jamaica there was no information on COVID-19 in that nation, although cruise ships were visiting and a steady stream of aircraft brought in visitors from many nations. I returned Feb. 27th when western governments were just starting to take major measures to find and isolate cases.

Oh for sure. It's much more global and the potential population base is growing with varying degrees of concern regarding detection for some time. Was just a milestone.

Although looking more closely, I think with the previous day having errors, some data may not have been entered on the day of errors (12th) so it's possible we will see today's (14th) be at a dip as well.

Northwest Georgia and Metro Atlanta have been the focus of the virus in this state, though we're still dealing with comparatively small verified numbers. That'll change, no doubt.

Today, I went for a long hike on Lavender Mountain, about ten miles from my house. The Berry College campus (the largest college in the world, by acreage) is closed, so the place was almost a ghost town (I teach there, so I have more access). ON a lovely March Saturday, I'd expect to see dozens at the Old Mill and perhaps a dozen or more on the trail. Today company was sparse - two mountain bike riders and a young couple with their baby and dog. In some ways, atmosphere reminds me of some of the scenes in the Lord of the Rings. In that movie, dark broiling clouds from Mordor spread, throwing everything into dense gloom as evil advances. Here, in addition to the growing concern about the virus, its been cloudy day after day - a gloom settling upon the land.

I met an acquaintance from our local health department. I see him out there, far along the trails, three or four times every year. He's a smart, good man. He didn't fist bump this time, which is the first time ever. He cautioned me to keep my family from crowds and to flee should anybody cough or sneeze. And he said he wished the college campus was still open, within reason, to give residents a place to exercise and get out. Cardiovascular health will be hard to maintain but may help ward off bad things.

In the woods, all was serene an normal. Blue-headed vireos are singing their springtime song. The ruby-crowned kinglets will soon begin their "liberty, liberty, liberty" song that announced they're about to leave for points far north. Spring beauty is in bloom. Blackberry and a few other shrubs are leafing out. It's just a normal spring day.

ORIGINAL: Kull
9-12 month shutdowns are not something that ANY business can sustain. I can't see any bar or restaurant businesses surviving, the cruise industry is gone, for-profit airlines will be a thing of the past, brick-and-mortar schools will be relics, the list goes on and on. What are all those workers going to do in the interim? How does society handle the long-term loss of a system which uses schools largely as daycare centers for kids so that parents can leave the house and hold jobs? The "law of unintended consequences" is going to play out in a big way here, and many of them are going to major and devastating.

I think they are hoping that if we can at least buy 3-6 months, we will at least find some therapies that work on the virus and know better how to treat it. Right now, there's a lot that we just still don't understand about it or why it is so dangerous for some or what the real consequences are even for those that recover.

In the worst case though, by 12-18 months we will either have a vaccine or it will have run rampant and those remaining will have immunity.

Looking at this as a war-time level effort is probably the best way to make sense of it.

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
I would also like to point out that the Corona virus 19 appears to latch onto something on the human cell called ACE. Another treatment that is being tried is to flood the body with extra ACE so the virus latches onto that and then can't infect a cell. Whether or not this is the same ACE where some people with heart disease takes ACE inhibitors, I don't know.

If you're interested, this goes into detail on some of that:

http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

I'd just like to ask again that we please try to keep politics out of this. Let's focus on information to help us all get through this pandemic, not discussion on whether one or another healthcare systems are superior. We are where we are and the virus is gunning for us all. We will all be happy to have those discussion on the other side of this. Right now focus on what unites us please.

I'd like to post a few things I've found in terms of what might work to make this virus less lethal. A lot of clinical trials in China will be at the results stage in April, so expect more news then.

First, Chlorquine Phosphate and Hydroxychlorquine Phosphate. These seem to be helping and South Korea seems to be using these and Zinc as their go-to at this point.

"BREAKING: S. Korea significantly reducing lethality of coronavirus by prescribing a chloroquine diphosphate salt + zinc treatment combo to block COVID-19 viral enzyme @ 500 mg per day of chloroquine + zinc for 10 days"

Here's a summary of a bunch of medications being investigated, including the potentially promising new anti-viral Remdesivir which is available for compassionate use from Gilead Sciences in the US (apparently your doctor has to apply over the internet, but approvals are quick):

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/a ... s-reviewed

Therapies and vaccines in development:

https://www.biocentury.com/article/304515

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
I would also like to point out that the Corona virus 19 appears to latch onto something on the human cell called ACE. Another treatment that is being tried is to flood the body with extra ACE so the virus latches onto that and then can't infect a cell. Whether or not this is the same ACE where some people with heart disease takes ACE inhibitors, I don't know.

If you're interested, this goes into detail on some of that:

http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

Thank you, I could understand a little of that! [:@]

I do know that the drug Losartan mentioned in that link is used by some people for high blood pressure.

Some speculation about a drug that can block one of the ways COVID-19 infects the body:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S009 ... 20)30229-4

And some news from Japan that an existing anti-asthma drug may help:

https://writening.net/page?FC3QPm

Also, the two webinars here with the Chinese Doctor in charge of the entire Chinese response, Dr. Nanshan Zhong, are very interesting:

https://www.ers-education.org/events/co ... nar-series

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

the end of the good times for pandemia profiteers:

amazon cracking on Corona virus price gouging

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/tech ... llers.html

Amazon cracks down on Canadian coronavirus price-gouging couple

https://www.foxnews.com/world/amazon-cr ... ce-gougers

I am surprised someone has not started selling a "Cure". 80 bucks for 4 tubes of wipes? I have bleach under the counter and gallon of vinegar, not sure if vinegar would kill it though, it will kill influenza.

But I was thinking if it is in your home already you are all going to get it anyway most likely. Wipes will do little at that point.

ORIGINAL: Scott_USN

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

the end of the good times for pandemia profiteers:

amazon cracking on Corona virus price gouging

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/tech ... llers.html

Amazon cracks down on Canadian coronavirus price-gouging couple

https://www.foxnews.com/world/amazon-cr ... ce-gougers

I am surprised someone has not started selling a "Cure". 80 bucks for 4 tubes of wipes? I have bleach under the counter and gallon of vinegar, not sure if vinegar would kill it though, it will kill influenza.

Some people forget the simple remedies.