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Posted: **Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:56 pm**

Nemo I agree - shock horror
 
All I was saying I need to break the back 1 at a time not that I dont do it.
 
Saipan is getting the treatment tomorrow - I do need to be a little carefull with BB's I only have 8 of them on station and ltd ammo I would rather use carrier air to clean out saipan harbour and send in the heavies tomorrow night (also I was out of position)
 
The plan is to use carrier and land based air to try and take out Saipan tomorrow I will follow it up with Tinian if my losses are acceptable and then Guam
 
In a move I should have ordered weeks ago <kicks himself> 2 Battle Sqns of the Eastern Fleet including several RN Battleships and HMS Renown plus 2 cruiser sqns and 3 CVE's (with FAA Corsairs) set sail from Colombo last night it will take a long time to get them on station and I should have done it weeks ago but better late than never in total 50 ships are transferring to Centpac

Posted: **Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:58 pm**

What it does all come down to is breaking Saipan tomorrow it looks like a large chunk of Pauks surface fleet is in the harbour so I ordered the TBM's and Helldivers onto range 2 with orders to naval attack and I ordered most of my fighters to sweep Saipan - this had better work !!!!

Posted: **Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:26 pm**

Keep the LBA pressure on in Sumatra and Malaya to force him to keep replacing or rotating his LBA assets. Hopefully, he is running down on his reserves of planes/pilots so he has to chose only one front vs both. 

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:57 am**

Yup, You need to keep him busy everywhere, this should be the n°1 rule for allied players, force the japanese players to defend several places, rotate Airgroups and incurring lots of op losses in the process, etc..

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:39 am**

Easier said than done Palembang attrits me (P38's) as much as him but I am persisting and he isnt defending anything else.
 
I watch the damage levels at Chungking VERY closely if it opens even for a day Pauk will suffer....but he is keeping Chungking and Changsa totally closed which stops me hitting him but the more I hurt him elsehwere the greater the chance of them opening I have a veteran/rested P47D group waiting for the opportunity if it arises then Pauks supply of trained uber pilots will dry up dammed quickly

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:54 am**

I would like to hit his training camps hard to stop another crop of elite ground attack 'aces' just give me the opportunity please Pauk 2 more days of not bombing Changsa and I will send in every fighter I can find and you pilot training days are over......

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:56 am**

Pauk hasnt sent me a turn so I dont know how my little attack on Saipan went - was KB in position, did he have more fighters than I realised, are my carriers on the bottom OR did I sink his cruisers and clea out the port....
 
Being at work is irritating I cannot get on with the important stuff like getting out of the mess I created for myself !!!!

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:12 pm**

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I would like to hit his training camps hard to stop another crop of elite ground attack 'aces' just give me the opportunity please Pauk 2 more days of not bombing Changsa and I will send in every fighter I can find and you pilot training days are over......

You should start a programm of your own for USN pilots (I know, it's gamey, but it will help to correct things in this game; send some VR groups to China).

About your Saipan invasion: It was a close thing, maybe closer than you realize now. If your opening sweep had worked as planned, things would've played out completely different.

Lesson learned: always order Carrier TF's to move one hex closer to its target than neccessary plane range to make sure that they're in place even if the TF moves one hex less than you think it should; also applies to Invasion TF's (I always move them to a position one hex off their target the turn before the invasion starts).

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:21 pm**

I know I may lose because of it but I refuse to perform ground attack training (I just cannot bring myself to do it) If I wanted to do it mandalay would be perfect...
 
Oh I think you are correct had the B29's not been gutted because my carriers were a hex short then one of the AF's would have been closed and it would have been very different - I am not sure Pauk would have impaled his LBA on my Carriers the way he has if my B29's were closing an AF every day.
 
But cest la vie I have had my fair share of luck with movement and weather (mostly against PZB and SPrior - Pauk seems to lead a charmed life) so I cannot complain - as nemo would say (correctly) any plan that depends on luck to succeed is not a plan the allies should be following.
 
I made 4 mistakes.
 
1. I should have waited for Tico and Bennington
2. I should have despatched 6 or 7 of the 9 BB's currently in Eastern Fleet to CENTPAC weeks ago.
3. I should have saved my B29's until I was sure I was in range
4. I should never have agreed to restrictions on allied PDU (Wildcats -> Hellcats) or even Corsairs on Carriers
 
 

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:28 pm**

OK Now I am baffled 400+ strike aircraft failed to launch the sweep went off an cleared out the enemy CAP but only 18 bombers launched wtf !!!!

Looks like several heavy ships were in port and uncovered I could howl with frustration

My Strike Aircraft were on double duty Naval followed by AF and they launched against neither....

Grrrrrrr

Night Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Sub attack at 60,67

Japanese Ships
AK Gisho Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Razorback

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TF 1293 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Japanese Ships
AK Gisho Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DE Lovelace, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 60,67

Japanese Ships
AP Kaishi Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Razorback, hits 4

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 14
J2M Jack x 75
A6M3a Zero x 27
B5N Kate x 9
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 52

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 77

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
34 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
24 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
24 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
14 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 54

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 27
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 107

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
24 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
3 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 17
Ki-49 Helen x 104

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 11 damaged

Allied ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 81

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 56
B-24J Liberator x 80

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 176

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
27 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
41 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 31,31

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 5
Liberator VI x 25

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 31,31

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 17

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 7

No Allied losses

Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 63
J2M Jack x 47
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 154
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
F6F-5N Hellcat x 59
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 2
SOC-3 Seagull x 8
Walrus x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 56 destroyed
J2M Jack: 47 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 75 destroyed, 4 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 14 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 18 destroyed
F6F-5N Hellcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 damaged
SOC-3 Seagull: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 63
J2M Jack x 47
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 154
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
F6F-5N Hellcat x 59
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 2
SOC-3 Seagull x 8
Walrus x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 56 destroyed
J2M Jack: 47 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 75 destroyed, 4 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 14 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 18 destroyed
F6F-5N Hellcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 damaged
SOC-3 Seagull: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 7

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 25000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 3
B-24J Liberator x 3

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M5 Zeke x 18
B6N Jill x 15
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 42

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
18 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
15 x B6N Jill bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 68

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 43,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
N1K1-J George x 47
A6M3a Zero x 24
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 64

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
20 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
27 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 43,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 93rd Chinese Division, at 29,31

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 110th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-40N Warhawk x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 110th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
Thunderbolt II x 3
Liberator VI x 16
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 10
P-47C Thunderbolt x 7
B-25J Mitchell x 21

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
5 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
7 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
5 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 7
TBM Avenger x 8
Thunderbolt II x 24
Mosquito FB.VI x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 30

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
301 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 26
Thunderbolt II x 10
Liberator VI x 32
Mosquito FB.VI x 37
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 36
P-47C Thunderbolt x 24
B-25J Mitchell x 70

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
7 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
23 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
26 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
21 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
15 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 7

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 2
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
E7K2 Alf x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 2 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 10

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 2
G4M2 Betty x 3
P1Y Frances x 6
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 141
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 16

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 94
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
F6F-5N Hellcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 13
J2M Jack x 3

Allied aircraft
SOC-3 Seagull x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-3 Seagull: 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 64,64

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 103
F4U-1 Corsair x 2
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed

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Ground combat at Mandalay

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 170273 troops, 957 guns, 1454 vehicles, Assault Value =
3290

Defending force 93848 troops, 717 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value =
1974

Japanese ground losses:
449 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at 26,40

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 52093 troops, 581 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value =
2670

Defending force 76911 troops, 762 guns, 612 vehicles, Assault Value =
1552

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Tinian

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15036 troops, 384 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value =
3840

Defending force 129441 troops, 916 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value =
2642

Japanese ground losses:
678 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:03 pm**

Well, as you know there's a problem with dual-duty missions. Probably its best to just split them, half naval and half airfield attack.
 
As to the rest just stay the course and close the first base then the second and so on. Right now you must both be at the end of your logistical tethers and whoever stays the course and has the greatest willpower will win. Just keep at it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:09 pm**

I actually didnt know there was an issue with dual missions [:D][:D]
 
I tend not to use them ah well I have 100 more hellcats at Wake one carrier TF (whichever has the lowest number of fighters) will withdraw to rearm I only need to move it one day east and it will be in range of wake so it wont leave me to exposed.
 
Tomorrow I will clear Tinian bomb the base and send in 1 x BB TF to bombard leaving two with the fleet for follow on I want to maintain one TF with ammo with the fleet at all times for an emergancy bombardment.
 
A TF with 11th Airborne Div and a lot of supplies left SF last night
Andy
 
B29's will keep Saipan supressed

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:48 pm**

OK just reviewed the turn my losses were heavy but acceptable

USS Lexington has departed the fleet to take on replacement Hellcats I have about 100 at Wake in 2 Replenishment Groups and lots of Wildcat Sqns I will start to pass them through the carriers back to the fleet

I have ordered an effort strike on Tinian if KB comes in I will defeat them until they do I will finish off the AF's.

I am holding the BB's back I wantr to save their ammo as it will take 4 days to rearm and return - I am watching all the AF's like a hawk 1st sign of a massive air reinforcement to any of them and the heavies will go in en masse and toast the place.

Basically I have decided that the BB's are better kept as a threat to stop Pauk coming in with more LBA.

B29's and Carrier Air will try to close down the other AF's

Also when my troops have recovered from the failed shock attack and I have raised my detection level I will send in all three TF's to crucify Tinian.

Andy

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:52 pm**

Hmm, the only problems with that plan are that:
 
1. It loses the shock effect of simultaneity - closing multiple bases at once.
2. It loses the shock effect of Mass - you are sending in less force than you could to attack the bases you will attack.
3. You speak of Tinian all the time when my reading of the results shows that the reason Tinian etc held was LRCAP from the other two islands covering it, not the fighters from Tinian itself.
4. While BBs being used as a "threat" are certainly effective in terms of deterring LBA basing what is MUCH more effective is actually 100% service and 100% runway damage following a naval bombardment.
 
Threat etc is nice but given that this is a must win battle I just question the fact that you aren't hitting him as hard, as quickly or as often as you could. If this is must win then it seems to me that it would be important to hit as hard as you can, as often as you can, as quickly as you can as opposed to being full of finesse and going down the less certain path of "deterrence".
 
If I were Pauk and saw this happening I would simply base small Chutai of Bettys at the airfields. As they are small they won't effect the air balance number and also they won't be as prone to being killed by UeberCAP. They wouldn't do much but they might lame a few ships here and there. In the meantime I would keep an eye out for your reinforcement convoy and as it approached I would sortie my surface combat fleet ( sprinting it in to one of the non-Tinian islands --- which I would cover with a hellacious number of fighters ) and being ready to push LBA into the airfield on Day 2 after my fighter CAP destroyed your carrier air's strength.

If you sent in the bombardment fleet I would also win as my surface combat TFs would get to fight your surface combat TFs and I'd get to write down your forces some more- making bombardments in this invasion and the next less effective. Even if your surface combat TFs won the naval combats and bombarded the field you'd kill mostly planes not pilots and since Pauk has lots of planes - his bottleneck will be pilots - you STILL won't have achieved anything decisive.
 
On the other hand if the airfields are all closed when the reinforcement convoy is spotted Pauk is NOT going to send his precious surface combat TFs and KB in to contest the reinforcement as they'll get slaughtered.
 
 
Don't get me wrong, if you keep your nerve you will still succeed in this invasion so long as you keep pouring men and material in but the more you give in to the temptation to go for half measures and rely on "deterrence" as opposed to runway and service damage of 100% then the more losses you are going to suffer and the more your timeline is going to be screwed. This isn't criticism really just disquiet at seeing you draw back from committing and going for what look like safer half-measures but are, in the end, likely to be far more costly.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:09 pm**

You might be right Nemo I will think on it before tomorrows turn. My subs put a torp into Chitose today and I sent the airforce back into attacking Chinese bases and Palembang lets see if Pauk tries another ambush

Tinian was hit hard today as my strike aircraft launched on the AF but the superforts set to attack Saipan failed to launch so I will send in one TF to bombard Saipan tomorrow while the Superforts will target it again assuming they launch that should mean 2 of the 4 AF's shut.

The Carrier air will hit Guam probably thus all three will have been hit hard. (I suspect that Pauk used the downgrade/upgrade trick to pull his LBA out of Saipan which means I have 2 or 3 days before he can attempt to refight over the islands.

I want to keep one bombard TF available but I will use the other two (I will probably reserve the slow RN TF and use the two fast USN ones as they will rearm quicker and be back on station

Lexington will have re armed so I should have another 90 fighters on CAP tomorrow with more to follow.

At no time will I allow more than 1 Carrier to be away from the fleet.

Barnes was a carrier operating in the middle of the air gap its irritating she took a torp I will have another CVE take her place tomorrow.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/44

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TF 1014 encounters mine field at Tinian (62,65)
 
Allied Ships
DD Quiberon
DD Clarence Bronson
DD Ross
DD Stevenson
 
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Sub attack at 56,66
 
Japanese Ships
CVL Chitose, Torpedo hits 1
DD Satsuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Hayanami
DD Yugumo
 
Allied Ships
SS Sterlet, hits 1
 
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ASW attack at 67,64
 
Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 2
 
Allied Ships
DD Stephen Potter
DD Encounter
DD Haggard
DD Conner
 
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 22
Liberator VI x 63
B-25J Mitchell x 105
B-24J Liberator x 26
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Airbase hits 46
Airbase supply hits 25
Runway hits 210
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
N1K1-J George x 6
J2M Jack x 40
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 18
 
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 23
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 damaged
N1K1-J George: 1 damaged
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 16 destroyed
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 1 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
J2M Jack x 69
A6M3a Zero x 26
B5N Kate x 9
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 54
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 74
 
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
18 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
23 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
24 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
23 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
19 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
11 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 54
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
 
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18
 
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
 
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 53
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 36
Ki-21 Sally x 89
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 141
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
36 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
18 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
11 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
 
Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 26
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 103
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 26
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 71
 
Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
23 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
32 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
 
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 51
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
 
Runway hits 13
 
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P1Y Frances bombing at 12000 feet
20 x P1Y Frances bombing at 12000 feet
 7 x P1Y Frances bombing at 12000 feet
 6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 12000 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 21
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 47
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 45
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
16 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
17 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 31,31
 
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 5
Liberator VI x 18
P-47D Thunderbolt x 5
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 2 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 20
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 8 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 53
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 75
 
Aircraft Attacking:
53 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
Thunderbolt II x 3
Beaufighter VIF x 6
Liberator VI x 7
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 9
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 52
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 11
F-5A Lightning x 5
B-24J Liberator x 32
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Oil hits 17
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Saipan , at 63,64
 
 
Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 7
SOC-3 Seagull x 1
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
SOC-3 Seagull: 1 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 99
F6F-5N Hellcat x 19
TBM Avenger x 208
SOC-3 Seagull x 10
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM Avenger: 11 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
171 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 141
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
13 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
18 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
31 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 2 x SOC-3 Seagull bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x SOC-3 Seagull bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x SOC-3 Seagull bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x SOC-3 Seagull bombing at 2000 feet
15 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
15 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 2
B-24J Liberator x 3
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Runway hits 4
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kavieng , at 61,86
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 39
PB4Y Liberator x 25
B-24J Liberator x 46
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 94
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32
 
Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 23
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 31
 
No Japanese losses
 
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
23 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32
 
Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 8
 
No Japanese losses
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 8 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 43,37
 
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 24
J2M Jack x 20
A6M3a Zero x 24
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 30
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 32
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
24 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
20 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 43,37
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
N1K1-J George x 40
A6M3a Zero x 24
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 30
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
14 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
26 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 81st Chinese Corps, at 44,32
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 66
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/A Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 7
SB2C Helldiver x 45
TBM Avenger x 7
Thunderbolt II x 26
Mosquito FB.VI x 15
B-25J Mitchell x 39
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Guns lost 12
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
13 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
27 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/A Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
Thunderbolt II x 12
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 14
P-47C Thunderbolt x 7
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 9 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
10 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
 5 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 104th/C Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 10
Thunderbolt II x 7
Mosquito FB.VI x 29
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 25
P-47C Thunderbolt x 21
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
 
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
 5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 6 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
15 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 104th/C Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 6
Liberator VI x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 3
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 16
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Liberator VI x 18
B-25J Mitchell x 6
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Burma Rifles Brigade, at 29,31
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 12
Ki-49 Helen x 20
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Guam at 62,66
 
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 73
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
SB2C Helldiver x 29
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese Ships
AP Marsue Maru, Bomb hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 6 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,65
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 2
P1Y Frances x 6
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 107
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Corsair IV x 2
F6F-5N Hellcat x 36
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,65
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 10
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 107
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Corsair IV x 2
F6F-5N Hellcat x 36
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 10 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,63
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 11
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
 
Allied Ships
CVE Barnes, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
 
 
Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Runway hits 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 63,64
 
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 59
F4U-1 Corsair x 4
SB2C Helldiver x 28
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese Ships
AP Haisho Maru, Bomb hits 12,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Kizan Maru, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tinian at 62,65
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 2
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 1
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
DD Quiberon
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,65
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 93
F4U-1 Corsair x 4
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 33
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,65
 
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 6
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 93
F4U-1 Corsair x 4
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
Corsair IV x 1
F6F-5N Hellcat x 33
 
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 6 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged
 
 
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Ground combat at Mandalay
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 170824 troops, 981 guns, 1451 vehicles, Assault Value = 3365
 
Defending force 92976 troops, 685 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 1950
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
402 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
 
Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
 
 
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Ground combat at 26,40
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 52040 troops, 582 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2670
 
Defending force 76844 troops, 760 guns, 612 vehicles, Assault Value = 1551
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
 
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Ground combat at Tinian
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 219207 troops, 1703 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 4015
 
Defending force 129538 troops, 957 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 2668
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
728 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
 
 

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:13 pm**

I am trying to force him into defending more bases so my longer range air will hit other bases while breaking through in Burma would be nice it is going to happen eventually so I think my air in Burma and Sumatra is better used hitting Pauk in as many areas as possible to keep him occupied.

If the need for B29's was not so critical over the Marianas I would be tempted to send 1 BG back to VP to re commence operations against Tarakan/Brunei etc.

I think this will be a valuable use for a single sqn again it forces Pauk to disperse and if he doensnt then I will hit Oil Oil Oil....

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:18 pm**

Its a balancing act 1 is now definitly closed I need to try and hit the others as well to close them and keep Tinian Closed.

I am thinking 2 Sqns on B29's from now on on Tinian. A BB TF and the other 2 BG's of 29's on Saipan and use my carrier air on Guam tomorrow but with more on naval attack as I suspect Pauk may return.

Lexington will bring my fighter strength back up to 400 so I should be safe enough from KB

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:26 pm**

Andy, sounds good. I think the most striking thing in your CRs is the completely lack of air defence in the other theatres. It looks to me like he has staked everything on Marianas. Commit here, break his back and then keep it broken by forcing him to spread thinly everywhere else ( and keeping that 200 fighter ambush ready to shuttle into Chungking at the least opportunity - once his pilot training breaks his air force breaks ). Congrats.

Posted: **Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:44 pm**

Congrats is premature until Guam and Saipan are decisively shut AND at least one more carrier has fully replenished its fighters I wont feel 100% safe.

I just need the Superforts to do their job I messed up at the start and got them badly crippled I need to keep it up.

Posted: **Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:03 am**

OK reviewed the turn and thought a little...
 
Lexington only moved 5 hexes grrrr so is out of range of Wake for resupply of Hellcats annoying as she had full ops and was ordered to move 12 hexes...
 
Anyway South Dakota TG will bombard Tinian tonight. I assume this will close Tinian.
 
I have split the B29's into three forces with orders to attack each of the bases my reasons for this if Wake is clouded so be it but if Wake is open I dont want all of the B29's to sit on the runway by splitting them to attack all three at least some will fly.
 
Carrier air is hitting Guam as primary with a secondary on Tinian again its the same logic Pauk has not sent fighters this turn into the base and I dont for a second think KB will come in alone so for another turn I have a free hand and I am going to use it..
 
My goals is to have all three closed ASAP.
 
Tinian will be 100% shut tomorrow Guam I hope about 50% and I think Saipan about 40%.
 
Andy

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