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Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.

Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

Not to be some uppity Yank, but isn't that title an oxymoron? Or is there a timeline for British history that is generally regarded as "modern" versus "classic" or "pre-modern". Not having much history for the settlement of North America (well, not as much as Brittania), I genuinely don't know the answer.

Post World War 2, aka "the war"

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

Not to be some uppity Yank, but isn't that title an oxymoron? Or is there a timeline for British history that is generally regarded as "modern" versus "classic" or "pre-modern". Not having much history for the settlement of North America (well, not as much as Brittania), I genuinely don't know the answer.

Post World War 2, aka "the war"

Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?

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ORIGINAL: sprior

And I shall teach said kid all the words to "Ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn'y have fallen in love with?" and possibly "Turning Japanese" too.

LOL, although it's a bit late for the " Turning Japanese "

Anyway good luck with being a Grandad. I am not ready for that yet. Not that I have any say-so in the matter [;)]

Aargh, I hadn't thought about either of those songs with reference to the kid's parents. Now you mention it...

Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?

It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 day week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

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Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?

It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?

ETA: For the US, I would probably say that the societal changes undergone between WWI and WWII (roaring 20s, prohibition, Black Monday and the collapse of the banking system, the Great Depression, dustbowls in the Midwest, etc.) were greater than the 20 years following WWII.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: sprior

Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?

It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?

Creation of the NHS.
Declining importance on the world stage.
The end of the British Empire.
The coronation of Liz.
Suez, Aden, Malaya the Cold War.
Nationalisation of many indistries.

Yup, seems like some major events there in the 20 years since the end of WW2.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?

Creation of the NHS.
Declining importance on the world stage.
The end of the British Empire.
The coronation of Liz.
Suez, Aden, Malaya the Cold War.
Nationalisation of many indistries.

Yup, seems like some major events there in the 20 years since the end of WW2.

i like this kind of historical discussion.
For history people in France, there seem to be a real change in society, in the way of thinking, in economy, politics, science, AFTER WWII.
Most historian tend to say that the 19th century ended not in 1900 but in 1918, but that 20th century only began in 1945.
There are many time in history throughout the ages, were a new era start at a date that don't suit perfectly the century
(for example, most media tend to say that Middle Age end with the fall of Constantinople in 1453; some others with the discovery of America in 1492; but historian tend to think that middle age ended with war of religions, that mean around 1580 ! or maybe there was a kind of inter-era between Middle age and Modern history of 100 years, ending toward 1560-1580).
The history after 1789 would not be "modern" but "Contemporary.

Anyway, back to our subject: the "modern contemporary" has probably started with the fall of colonial empire, arising of new powers, arising of new form of policy, the so-called "end of fascism" powers, and many much more facts.
Just my thoughts and point of vue.

I was under impression that historians generally agreed that the fall of Constantinople ended the middle ages and began the Renaissance, as so much Byzantine knowledge migrated to western Europe (which was grossly undereducated).
Not that I'm highly attuned to the pulse of historians round the world, mind you.....[:'(]

Seems pretty difficult to make period demarcations too rigid, though. Change is generally slow. War is the one exception, which I suspect is why many periods are delineated by wars.

Finished the AD design doc. Now off to design the Exchange 2007 organisation

is it just me or are people just damned lazy to RTFM? Okay, if you don't undertsand something that's fine but some of the q's asked are just mind-numbingly dumb.

I'd vote on laziness. Long ago, when I used to work as a programmer, I had to learn to write the application manuals so a 7-year old could understand them. Even then, 90% of the questions that still came in could have been answered with minimum effort if you had bothered to read the manual.

Yes but most manuals written by programmers truly suck. Ever read microsoft's manuals? They are terrible.

Tell us how you really feel, Sprior[:'(]

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Tell us how you really feel, Sprior[:'(]

I daren't, it's a family forum.

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Morning guys.

Hi Per, frozing in sweden ?? [;)]

Yes. This morning we had freezing temperature (-5C) for the first time this winter [:)]

It's in the 80's here today.[:)]

Currently -6 C here.

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Yes but most manuals written by programmers truly suck. Ever read microsoft's manuals? They are terrible.

Agreed. Then I dare to say that I wrote better manuals than MS ... [;)][:D]

ORIGINAL: sprior

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.

Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

I kind of liked Angles and Demons. I did not like the DeVinci Code.