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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

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Leo "Apollo11"

That sure was a cute dude [:)]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Grollub

Might as well post another picture. Not all of the puppies have been picked up yet.

Mama-dog is looking a lot less harassed. [:D]

Exactly my thoughts when I first saw the pic [:D]

Another puppy UNP [8D]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Dixie



Is it more or less humane mincing them up before passing them through a furnace and firing the remains into the atmosphere at several hundred miles per hour?

About the same, only much more 'entertaining' for the spectators. Hey Steve-o: any close encounters of the worst kind with our fine feathered friends at 1,000 feet?

Not so much fun when you're scrubbing bird remains from an engine and trying to retrieve enough parts for an expert to ascertain what breed the plane hit. It also involves a lot of inspection if there's any chance that bird bits have gone through the core (hot part of the) engine.

Two bloody days I spent scrubbing once. And picking feathers and bits of bone out of holes in the engine casing. [:@]

They make electric ovens self-cleaning. You would think that with the amount of heat involved they could make the engine self-cleaning.

ORIGINAL: Grollub

Might as well post another picture. Not all of the puppies have been picked up yet.

Sia is looking good. If your sister doesn't pick her up soon, I just might.[;)]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Dixie




Is it more or less humane mincing them up before passing them through a furnace and firing the remains into the atmosphere at several hundred miles per hour?

About the same, only much more 'entertaining' for the spectators. Hey Steve-o: any close encounters of the worst kind with our fine feathered friends at 1,000 feet?

Many. When I was 15 and taking lessons in a Cessna 172 we hit a bird (with the prop). I've been in planes that hit (and were hit by) everything from starlings to turkey buzzards (with a couple of seagulls for good measure). Even one large bird (we couldn't ID the remains) that hit the right windshield and caused a deicer short (blowing a hole in the side window (we were below 10K obviously ) so no explosive decompression, but it being winter in Maine, it was a cold flight.

I recall there was one report (not us) in the mid-80's of a bird strike above 14k....which led to a lot of jokes about watching out for birds with oxygen masks! [:D]

...the prop of a P-3 does a nice puree job on most fowl...during mating season on Midway island, it was almost a given that one of the "goonie birds" that nest there would hit the windscreen or prop on take off...better the prop...broke wind screen = waiting at least another day for a logistics flight to bring a new one...

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Can't imagine that would be an endearing aspect of work. My 'entertaining' in quotes was meant in jest to suggest that it must be a bit concerning having birds fly into engines. Witness the role geese played in bringing down that flight into the Hudson river a few years ago.

Since bird gore is my domain, I'm curious. What means of collecting bits of bird from the inside of an engine to you use? You can't just wash it with water, can you? Do you literally have to pick each little micron of flesh and sinew off of the fan blades and whatnot?

Also, I assume that there is less concern for turboprop aircraft with bird strikes? Seems less likely that you'll have a bird 'ingestion' / engine flame-out than a jet engine, but what do I know?

It wasn't the finest hour (or 24) of my career, strangely it's not an area they advertise in the careers office Join the RAF and scrub bits of dead bird from an engine. I had an inkling you were talking in jest.

There are various checks to carry out depending on where the bird debris has gone, or is believed to have gone. In the best case it goes round the engine and just leave a big dent in the nacelle. Next is the bird going through the cold stream (bypass) portion of the engine. The worst is it passing through the hot parts, if it goes through the hot part then there's generally nothing to retrieve but it creates a stink. It's also quite likely to cause some pretty severe damage to the internals.

If it passes down the bypass duct then there's usually something to recover. The last one I dealt with managed to smash holes in the acoustic paneling behind the fan blades for a good 30% of the circumference. It left various bits of bone and feather embedded a good inch or two through an aluminium honeycomb, simply fish them out and stick them in a plastic bag. There were also feathers and bone stuck in various parts of the spinner. Then post said bag to some expert who can tell what species it was. IIRC, the last one I dealt with was some sort of Afghan species around sparrow size, I think the largest bit we fished out was a piece of bone about an inch long along with a some feathers and smaller bits of bone. The rest of the bird had spread across a bulge in the turbine casing where the heat had baked the remains onto the metal. We had to take apart the LP compressor in order to pull all the bits of bird from the casing and make repairs.


I've never worked with turboprops, but in theory it could do the same damage but it's a smaller intake with a whirling propeller in front that would tend to fling the bits outwards and away from the dangerous bits.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




You 'rent' beer because intake and output will eventually come to a steady state. If, after a few hours, you consume 9 liters of beer you will-in comparatively short order-have to dispose of 9 liters of processed beer by one means or another.

Besides, Mike is a girly man with regards to beer consumption. Please don't use the USS Mike metric and assume that all Americans as as effete as he is. [;)]

I am so gonna plunk down two bottles of rum the next time we're together! [:D]

Ah...well, what are YOU going to drink? [;)]

Big words! I guess you have to be put to the test! [8D]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


You've never had a bird fly into your windshield? They like to "car surf" off the air disruption the car causes. Sometimes they miss![:D][X(] I once say a seagull really screw up and smashed into the radiator of the car in front of me! [X(] MASSIVE amounts of feathers and gore ! [:D]

Nope. Never had the "pleasure". The worst I've gotten is a giant wasp that decided to visit while I was stopped at a light. Did I ever mention that I'm TERRIFIED of bees?

I once found myself with three european hornets in the car...

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Historiker

500mph with a blunt object of more than 50 tonnes counts as anesthesia and humane killing at once.

Ze German says: Government should issue hunging licences by plane to pilots. Ze German says: Government needs to make gutt regulations! Achtung!

Bah! German government would fine the pilot for hunting without a license. [:D]

Remind me to tell you about that one time I hit a dear on the highway and my friends decided to be funny....

but you are still married to her, or was that another "dear"?

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Yes, we agreed to a "best of three" with one day beer and one day rum. A third day won't be needed, as I'll win the first two encounters anyways [;)]

If only drinking was an Olympic sport...[:D]

it isn't because even the Irish know their master! No one can drink beer as the bavarians. The only ones to compete may be russians drinking vodka...

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: USS America




No, actually, he started at the same time they did..... [:'(]

OK so he's just slow....

Fixed that for you. [:D]

yeah, all you do cycling is watch it. so stfu! [:'(]

Thats probably not entirely true.

Mike sounds like the guy that would stand on the side of the road and hand out cups of Gatorade. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




About the same, only much more 'entertaining' for the spectators. Hey Steve-o: any close encounters of the worst kind with our fine feathered friends at 1,000 feet?

Many. When I was 15 and taking lessons in a Cessna 172 we hit a bird (with the prop). I've been in planes that hit (and were hit by) everything from starlings to turkey buzzards (with a couple of seagulls for good measure). Even one large bird (we couldn't ID the remains) that hit the right windshield and caused a deicer short (blowing a hole in the side window (we were below 10K obviously ) so no explosive decompression, but it being winter in Maine, it was a cold flight.

I recall there was one report (not us) in the mid-80's of a bird strike above 14k....which led to a lot of jokes about watching out for birds with oxygen masks! [:D]

...the prop of a P-3 does a nice puree job on most fowl...during mating season on Midway island, it was almost a given that one of the "goonie birds" that nest there would hit the windscreen or prop on take off...better the prop...broke wind screen = waiting at least another day for a logistics flight to bring a new one...

I couldn't agree more!I've also found the one thing a P-3 prop won't digest is a 300+ pound north PA buck deer! [X(] It took out the prop and engine! And stranded me in Pittsburg for 3 days. [:(]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


You've never had a bird fly into your windshield? They like to "car surf" off the air disruption the car causes. Sometimes they miss![:D][X(] I once say a seagull really screw up and smashed into the radiator of the car in front of me! [X(] MASSIVE amounts of feathers and gore ! [:D]

Nope. Never had the "pleasure". The worst I've gotten is a giant wasp that decided to visit while I was stopped at a light. Did I ever mention that I'm TERRIFIED of bees?

I once found myself with three european hornets in the car...

Did they chip in for gas? [:D]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Thats probably not entirely true.

Mike sounds like the guy that would stand on the side of the road and hand out cups of Gatorade. [:D]

Actually, Torsten is right. I'm the guy who keeps saying, "I've got to fix the flat tire on my bike."

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo




Nope. Never had the "pleasure". The worst I've gotten is a giant wasp that decided to visit while I was stopped at a light. Did I ever mention that I'm TERRIFIED of bees?

I once found myself with three european hornets in the car...

Did they chip in for gas? [:D]

I stopped and fled the car in panic! [:D]

I then opened all windows and left. Later, I entered the car VERY slowly and looked into the motor block whether there was a nest - you don't find three at once by accident...

I don't like wasps, though I'm immune to their poison. But hornets are frightening. Two to three inches in size and that sound when flying...

Like a flying death! [:@]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Historiker



I once found myself with three european hornets in the car...

Did they chip in for gas? [:D]

I stopped and fled the car in panic! [:D]

I then opened all windows and left. Later, I entered the car VERY slowly and looked into the motor block whether there was a nest - you don't find three at once by accident...

I don't like wasps, though I'm immune to their poison. But hornets are frightening. Two to three inches in size and that sound when flying...

Like a flying death! [:@]

When dealing with wasps,hornets or bees, if you can't get a hold of a wasp trap, open the windows and put a can of "fruity" soda, like gingerale or sprite near the car , but outside of it. I've "lured off" many of them that way. The nest....that's a problem. Did you leave your windows down? [&:]

I can't remember, it was last year. The worst thing was, it was at night and the interior light of the car didn't work. So I heared the flying death without seeing it first, without knowing what I'm facing...
The first of them appeared while I waited at a red light. It was gentle enough to fly out after I had opened the windows.
The other two appeared when I was about to park the car.

I opened the windows and was full of fear. But they disappeared as they had emerged. Suddenly and unexpected.

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