RE: Headhunter - Lokasenna (A) vs. mind_messing (J) - No MM yet
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:38 pm
Luzon - April 9, 1945


What's your Strategy?
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 130,57
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 36
A7M2 Sam x 48
B6N2a Jill x 10 All shot down
B7A2 Grace x 35 13 get through CAP
D4Y4 Judy x 129 41 get through CAP
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 116
F6F-5 Hellcat x 34
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 11 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 5 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 12 destroyed, 7 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 51 destroyed, 13 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 5 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CB Alaska, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 15
A7M2 Sam x 27
B7A2 Grace x 12
D4Y4 Judy x 48
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 103
F6F-5 Hellcat x 31
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 4 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 6 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 27 destroyed Just 2 get through CAP and miss
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
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All shot down/do no damage (lots of KB splintering):
B7A2 Grace x 11
B5N2 Kate x 54
P1Y2 Frances x 18
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-32 Mary x 24
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9
B7A2 Grace x 7
D4Y4 Judy x 10
B7A2 Grace x 9
B7A2 Grace x 3
B7A2 Grace x 10
D4Y4 Judy x 10
B7A2 Grace x 7
B7A2 Grace x 7
A6M5c Zero x 36
A7M2 Sam x 21
B7A2 Grace x 6
D4Y4 Judy x 21
A7M2 Sam x 26
B7A2 Grace x 4
D4Y4 Judy x 8
B6N2 Jill x 9
B6N2a Jill x 39
Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 127,51
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 59
A7M2 Sam x 82
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 21
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
F6F-3 Hellcat x 39
F6F-5 Hellcat x 60
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 57
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 61 90 Helldivers in total get through CAP
TBM-1C Avenger x 68
TBM-3 Avenger x 24 Some of these too, but I didn't count because they can't hit anything.
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 8 destroyed, 13 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 3 destroyed by flak
TBM-1C Avenger: 7 destroyed, 12 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Katsuragi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CV Katsuragi
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 127,51
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 46
A7M2 Sam x 43
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 21
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 38
F6F-5 Hellcat x 73
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 38
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 39 50 Helldivers get through
TBM-1C Avenger x 41
TBM-3 Avenger x 36 47 TBs get through
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 14 destroyed, 6 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 9 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Akagi, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Taiho, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1
CV Unryu, Torpedo hits 1
CVL Chiyoda
CV Amagi
CVL Chitose, Torpedo hits 1
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Shoho
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Ryujo
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Ryujo
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Zuiho
ORIGINAL: jwolf
This is a really interesting campaign, where at least through 1944 the control of SE Asia and SW China was pretty much exactly the opposite of historical. It gave a really weird look to the map but in the end it confirmed your strategy in that theater as being perfect for this campaign.
How far into 1945 will you play? That is, until auto-victory, acquiring certain territory, Soviet entry, or ...?
ORIGINAL: obvert
How is the strat bombing going both outside (DEI/MAnchuria) and on the Home Islands?
ORIGINAL: Sangeli
Strat bombing is they key to VPs. I have gotten nearly 1000 VPs in single day from manpower attacks. But you need fighters in range to clear the airspace. Though carrier aircraft can carry that load.
In my experience carrier based sweeps are more consistent in arriving before bombers than land based aircraft. They also sometimes coordinate their sweeps which can be good or bad. Good in that they will have a higher K/D ratio but bad in that they may engage fewer fighters than multiple fragmented sweeps.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
We shall see about the carriers. I do have some size 90 groups with Corsairs that could do some sweeping but all the CVs are resting up right now. The problem is that I'm in kind of the same position as SqzMyLemon where I can't guarantee that the sweeps will show up before the unescorted bombers, and if I can probably only afford one of those aerial disasters without losing my ability to really bomb.
The great thing about strat bombing is that it makes everything else easier. Destroying industry will reduce supply production thus making your guys on the ground more effective. IMO fighter factories are best things you can destroy. Once you get rid of those its only a matter of months until you have uncontested control in the air everywhere.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
In my previous game, I didn't need strat bombing to get to the 2:1 threshold, but it was also a far less bloody game for the Allies in terms of LCUs. In this game, the absolute number of VPs on each side is probably +10K, which means I need an additional 20K VPs that I didn't need in that other game.
Without question you should go for Tokyo or Osaka. They are the most important VP targets BY FAR. Its' not even really close. I'd say Tokyo. Remember IRL the US went after smaller targets b/c they wanted to make a point and end the war right after. This is just a video game; it's rather fun killing those digital Japanese civilians [:D]ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
The obvious targets are Tokyo, Kobe, Osaka, Nagoya, Yokohama, Fukuoka or Shimonoseki, Sasebo... I think those are the ones with the most industry.
Or I could go for the aircraft factories at Maebashi or Gifu, but there isn't much there in terms of total VP potential.