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Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:02 pm
by Gil R.
Odd question. I'm working on some text for the game and have a Civil War-era source that discusses Stonewall Jackson and refers to a "Stonewall Bridge." It occurred to me that this might be a typo for "Brigade," but a Google search turns up the phrase a few more times, though never in such a way that it's 100% clear that there was a unit of men under Jackson known as the "Stonewall Bridge." Does anyone out there know about this? I have six hours in which to find out, before the text goes into the manual...

Thanks.

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:20 pm
by Hard Sarge
only place I seem to find that name, is based on a made up book about 2 brothers

so it may be a typo

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:20 pm
by spruce
google showed =

some old bridge in TN =

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-85.9081&lat=36.1811

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/scenes ... bridge.htm

second option (more relevant) =

anyhow, there was a stone bridge iirc at the battle of bull run (tactical importance), perhaps the typo is Stone(wall) bridge.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/scenes ... bridge.htm

most definately a typo refering to Stone bridge - (see also below document describing Bees and Jacksons men moving towards a Stone Bridge - weird tough the documents states Stone Bridge with capital letters).

http://www.civilwarhome.com/bullrunconclusion.htm

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:29 pm
by Gil R.
ORIGINAL: spruce

google showed =

some old bridge in TN =

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lon=-85.9081&lat=36.1811

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/scenes ... bridge.htm

second option (more relevant) =

anyhow, there was a stone bridge iirc at the battle of bull run (tactical importance), perhaps the typo is Stone(wall) bridge.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/scenes ... bridge.htm

The first two can't be relevant, since the passage I read is about Stonewall Jackson himself. The third might be -- it did occur to me that if Burnside could have a bridge then so could Stonewall. But my instincts tell me that this is a typo for "brigade" that, rather than being duplicated multiple times, has been committed by multiple parties acting independently.

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:32 pm
by spruce
GIL R, did you read my edit - I think they are refering to the Stone Bridge (see the link I gave - the second last paragraph), funny enough they use capital letters ... perhaps this is so in English for monuments ...

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:43 pm
by Gil R.
Thanks -- I had missed your edit, since I began writing my message around the same time. That might have solved the mystery, but I'm not sure. The full quote reads:

“Altogether, as one of his soldiers said to me in talking of him, “he is a glorious fellow!” and, after I left him, I felt that I had at last solved the mystery of Stonewall Bridge, and discovered why it was that it had accomplished such almost miraculous feats. With such a leader men would go anywhere, and face any amount of difficulties; and for myself, I believe that, inspired by the presence of such a man, I should be perfectly insensible to fatigue, and reckon upon success as a moral certainty.” – Col. Garnet Wolseley, C.S.A.

Note the "it" that I put into boldface. This only makes sense as a "he," since the bridge did nothing miraculous. But the book I'm looking at has "it." Maybe that bridge came to be known by some as "Stonewall Bridge," but this is still somewhat confused.

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:49 pm
by RERomine
I looked around some as well. There are references to a few bridges name the "Stonewall Bridge" and one reference that was clearly a typo of someone leading a company in the Stonewall Bridge. There is a "Stonewall Bridge" in West Virginia, so I thought that might be a possible reference, but the bridge was built in 1900. It is something that is likely to get past spell and grammar checkers because both are technically correct. Seems like the proof reader needs to return a pay check or two. I vote for typo.

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:50 pm
by spruce
picture of that bridge at Bull Run (first Bull run)
http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc8157.php

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:56 pm
by RERomine
ORIGINAL: Gil R.
Note the "it" that I put into boldface. This only makes sense as a "he," since the bridge did nothing miraculous. But the book I'm looking at has "it." Maybe that bridge came to be known by some as "Stonewall Bridge," but this is still somewhat confused.

That's interesting because the "Stonewall Bridge" I referenced made it into "Ripley's Believe It Or Not". I think I'm wrong about the location being in West Virginia, but the date it was built is still 1900. That makes it unlikely has anything to do with your "bridge".

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:02 pm
by dh76513
Gil,
Jackson's brigade was referred to informally as "Virginia's First Brigade" because it was consisted of several local infantry units of Virginians. It was also known as the “Stonewall” Brigade. While these two units are synonymous, there is no unit called “Stonewall Bridge” [I think this is nothing more than a typing error – and one “spell” check will overlook each and every time] in any of the order of battle rolls for the entire American Civil War.

RE: Stonewall Bridge?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:12 pm
by Gil R.
Thanks for further confirming my suspicions.

The Stonewall Brigade, I'm pleased to report, is already represented in the game; the Stonewall Bridge will never be heard of again.