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[font="Courier New"]....Here Some Interesting Things I Found-Out looking at The NFL's & NCAA's On-Line Summary of The NFL's & The NCAA's Rulebooks.

When I post Interesting, I mean it is probably Interesting to you, but it is just limiting to me.[/font]

http://nfl.com/news/rulesdigest.html
5-Yard Pentalities
25. Loss of team time out(s) or five-yard penalty on the defense for excessive crowd noise.

[font="Courier New"]You hear over and over again that this rule (crowd noise/fan noise will no longer cost The Franchises) no longer exists, yet there it is. I am thinking this is just a rule that is not ignored and the media never stopped to check what they were told.[/font]

[font="Courier New"]The NCAA has no such rule. By rule, I mean Preventing (through pentalities) Crowds from making a lot of noise.[/font]


[font="Courier New"]The NFL allows any player to receive hand to hand snaps from the center, let alone direct snaps).[/font]

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/ ... _rules.pdf
Rule 7/Snapping and Passing The Ball

[font="Courier New"]States that no OLman can receive a hand to hand snap. Fumble Rooskie (Ground to Hand).[/font]

As I recall, the crowd noise penalty is still in the NCAA rulebook.
 
In the NFL, that only applies to external noise devices like blasting music in a dome or having crowd noise piped through the speaker system.
 
 

[font="Courier New"]Marauders,

Well if you can find, more power to you. I could not. I do not think it is there because I looked could not find it and noise is celebrated and even with objects.

I should have been more specific, I am posting about the fans, not the Franchises themselves. It is legal for crowds and I think you are right it is not legal for Franchises to use devices.[/font]

NCAA Div 1-AA Southern Illinois at Illinois State.  Illinois State penalized twice (15 yards each) for crowd noise and throwing things on the field.
 
I was there.  It was a blast.

The original crowd noise rule was eliminated by the NCAA prior to the 2006 season, so it is a very recent change.  Many conferences still retain artificial crowd noise rules that the NCAA has allowed each conference to decide.  The artificial crowd noise rules may become standard in future seasons.
 
 

[font="courier new"]I do not watch any other division of CFB/NCAA, thus I am only posting about the real FootBall Division, with second rate post season system. I could careless what rules the other divisions have. Just as I could careless what some members post.[/font]
 
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[font="courier new"]              Then referee must have been swallowing the whistles for years, during many big conference games (like Univ. of Tennessee Games). Where is the official NCAA rule's URL?[/font]
 
              

[font="courier new"]Marauders[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]         Now, that I think about it, the only time I remember the rule being used is during this sad Miami Hurricanes seasons' home game (when they were winning) after the very few TDs[:(] (thus I think it North Carolina and not a big conference or non-conference game) they had to warn The Miami Hurricanes' Orange Bowl PA officials to stop piping in the music. Then the second time the head ref stated they would punish the home team (Univ. of Miami) 15-yards, if it was not stopped. [/font]
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[font="courier new"]What was interesting *the head ref only did it before the away team first-play that the drive after Univ. of Miami's TDs. There must then be a rule on the books, that has been adjusted/changed.* I cannot believe I did not remember earlier.[8|][/font]
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Then referee must have been swallowing the whistles for years, during many big conference games (like Univ. of Tennessee Games).

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[font="courier new"]I still believe this; however, I would change it slightly to state,[/font]
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[font="courier new"]Then referee must have been swallowing the whistles for years, during big games (like Univ. of Tennessee Games). [/font]
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[font="courier new"]At the time, the home game Univ. of Miami was no where near the big game status.[/font]

ORIGINAL: GWsFBAReservUrFBTeam

[font="courier new"]I do not watch any other division of CFB/NCAA, thus I am only posting about the real FootBall Division, with second rate post season system. I could careless what rules the other divisions have. Just as I could careless what some members post.[/font]

Division 1-A and Division 1-AA use the same rules knuckle head!

[font="courier new"]Marauders[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]              I just realize I should clearify, I have no problem with preventing (through pentalities) Stadium PA from piping in artifical noise. However, Preventing (through pentalities) Crowds from making a lot of noise, is BS. It maybe a rule in another NCAA division for Crowds not to make a lot of noise, but I will not believe the Division 1A (the real NCAA) will ever have rule that Preventing (through pentalities) Crowds from making a lot of noise, until someone shows me The NCAA.org URL to the rule. Maybe, this is reason we differ. Maybe, we really do not differ.[/font]

[left] [/left][left]http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_football_rules.pdf[/left][left] [/left][left] [/left][left]Rule 9, Section 2, Article 1, Part (b)-5[/left][left] [/left][left]5. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any[/left][left]noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).[/left][left]PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7, S27] from the succeeding[/left][left]spot. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall be[/left][left]disqualified [S47].[/left][left] [/left][left] [/left][left]Please note that this applies to all divisions of the NCAA. [font="courier new"] *Which are being all ^Real FootBalL*[/font][/left]

What I posted was that all levels of the NCAA (1-A, 1-AA, II, and III) use the same on-field rules (which have nothing to do with off the field.  (i.e. playoffs and scholorships)
 
The only exceptions are instant replay and the size of the officiating crew. 
 
BTW, The "crowd noise" rule was removed some time ago, but the authorities at the stadium have to control the crowd from disrupting the game and/or throwing things or the home team can get penalized after sufficient warning have been given.
 
Also, sincce you have blocked me from PMing you.  You can call me what ever you want.  I know what I call you, but I won't type it here.[;)]
 
Go ahead and contact the NCAA, I've already posted the rule book.

What I posted was that all levels of the NCAA (1-A, 1-AA, II, and III) use the same on-field rules (which have nothing to do with off the field.  (i.e. playoffs and scholorships)

[font="courier new"]It does, you are wrong, because when one is trying to regulate behavior one needs to be consistant to prevent them from cheating the rules created and thus forcing one to punish. Whether it is on the field or off the field it is rules and regulations. I can tell you as a former teacher with out be consistant the young and developing or spoiled, under experienced/closed minds of the young/high school students will savage on it like wolves. Some CFB Programs (too much money involved) and Players are not far from that or worse.[/font]

crowd from disrupting the game and/or throwing things

[font="courier new"]Come on man, who here is posting about throwing on fields? It really off the topic of this thread. We are talking about noise only generated from fans' hands or voices and noises from other sources (like PAs) with the stadiums.[/font]
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I've already posted the rule book.

[font="courier new"]Where is the rule book? I read the rule, you posted, and still cannot find it in The '2006 Rule Book as you claimed. Too be non-political in my response it seems (to me) like you tried to pull a fast one. Also, keep in mind I also stated in the MP that I was sending the letter to see there is another reason to hate The NCAA; it was not all about this debate. 50-50 Especially since it was already posted by [/font][font="courier new"]Marauders[/font][font="courier new"] that:[/font]

The original crowd noise rule was eliminated by the NCAA prior to the 2006 season, so it is a very recent change.

crowd noise shouldnt need a rule. if it's loud, it's loud.

ORIGINAL: GWsFBAReservUrFBTeam

What I posted was that all levels of the NCAA (1-A, 1-AA, II, and III) use the same on-field rules (which have nothing to do with off the field.  (i.e. playoffs and scholorships)

[font="courier new"]It does, you are wrong, because when one is trying to regulate behavior one needs to constant to prevent them from cheating the rules created and forcing one to punish. Whether it is on the field or off the field it is rules and regulations. I can tell you as a former teacher with out be constant the young and developing or spoiled, under experienced/closed minds of the young/high school students will savage on it like wolves. Some CFB Programs (too much money involved) and Players are not far from that or worse.[/font]

Um... I have no idea what you just said. But the game rules are the same (except instant replay and number of officials).

Also. I am currently a member of my local High School board. (Which is way above your claimed teacher status.) I was also a high school technology director/teacher for 8 years. You do not get to lecture me about students young or old. Especially since you can't spell or form a complete thought.[:-]

crowd from disrupting the game and/or throwing things

[font="courier new"]Come on man, who here is posting about throwing on fields? It really off the topic of this thread. We are talking about noise only generated from fans' hands or voices and noises from other sources (like PAs) with the stadiums.[/font]
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It is a similar. That's what I was commenting on.

I've already posted the rule book.

[font="courier new"]Where is the rule book? I read the rule, you posted, and still cannot find it in The '2006 Rule Book as you claimed. Too be non-political in my response it seems (to me) like you tried to pull a fast one. Also, keep in mind I also stated in the MP that I was sending the letter to see there is another reason to hate The NCAA; it was not all about this debate. 50-50 Especially since it was already posted by [/font][font="courier new"]Marauders[/font][font="courier new"] that:[/font]

The original crowd noise rule was eliminated by the NCAA prior to the 2006 season, so it is a very recent change.

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Sigh. http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_football_rules.pdf This is the link to the rule book (as posted above)
Also, you do not get to accuse me of "pulling a fast one."[:-]


As usual, Marauders was right. It is a recent change.

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Rule 9, Section 2, Article 1, Part (b)-5[/align][align=left] [/align][align=left]5. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any[/align]noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7, S27] from the succeeding[/align][align=left]spot. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall be[/align][align=left]disqualified [S47].

[/align][align=left] [/align][align=left][font="courier new"]Plus, it already posted and discussed that was not there, taken-out according to [/font][font="courier new"]Marauders[/font]
[/align][align=left][font="courier new"]Still trying to find were you got that from in that rule book, yet you posted as it was there. What else is it supposed to look like, other than pull a fast one?[/font][/align][align=left][font="courier new"][/font] [/align][align=left][font="courier new"]You are trying to make a relation/similarity between two-actions that to different in their intended affects and power to affect to be similar. [/font][/align][align=left][font="courier new"]Throwing something on the field can injure and yelling cannot do anything, except make the fans feel they are in the game.[/font][/align]

"Persons subject to the rules" are the band, coaching staff, stadium staff, PA announcer, and similar types; and refers to band music, using the PA system for artifical noise, speech, sound effects, etc.  That rule is in place to keep schools from putting jet engines outside the stadium and firing them up when the opposition has the ball.  The crowd can be as loud as they want as long as they don't use instruments (not necessarily in the musical sense) that are designed to make noise (air horns, and some places cowbells).
 
I see at least one Penn State and Virginia Tech home game a year, and those places are loud as all hell and cause visitors to use time outs, and I have never seen the crowds warned for noise.

[font="Courier New"]Shaggyra,

I can prove everything, I post on here. Can you? You do not know who are challenging, my experiences, education, degrees and certifications, shatter any technologies teacher and LOL at School Boards (that are fucking everything up). Back on Block to stay, wasted my time and PMs to fix things.

Do us all a favor get out of this forum, if in education, get out now and run for The GOP.[/font]

[font="Courier New"]dreamtheatervt,

Thank you; however, we should not have to do that. It is called selective reading for one's benefit.[/font]

OK for the last time............

You're right there is no rule on "crowd noise", but I am right also with what I posted.

I was there at the Southern Illinois vs Illinois State game. Illinois State was penalized 15 for excessive crowd disruptions from the student body.

Though does not state it here what it was specically for, it is noted here that there was a unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. If it is possible to find more documentation I will provide it.

Play-by-Play Summary (3rd quarter)
S 1-10 S27 Start of 3rd quarter, clock 15:00, SIU ball on SIU35.
S 1-10 S35 PENALTY ILS unsportsmanlike conduct 15 yards to the 50 yardline, 1ST DOWN SIU.
source: http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ilsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/101406stats.pdf Page 10


The specific "crowd noise" rule was removed sometime back either this year or last. (As others and I previously have stated.)

The rule I have quoted is in existance despite GW claims the he "can't find it." It requires more than "just crowd noise" but can be used in any disruptive situation. (Yes, it takes alot for it to be used and yes I was there when it did happen.)

I have provided links and documentation for my claims on this particular rule repeatedly.

GW, I don't want to fight. But you have argued that the rules are not the same across the divisions. With a few exceptions such as instant replay, they all use the same rule book for the games. I don't care if your small quasi-elitest mind don't like anything but the criminals at Miami.

I was pointing out there are some situations where the actions by the crowd or student body can penalize the home team. I have provided documentation on this. I have also done a hell of a lot more for this game than you ever will. It is you who should get out of this forum and go back into therapy.

You claim to be some genius with degrees, and etc. and you can't complete a sentence or a thought.

You argue about everything with nothing to back it up.

Please, give us a break.

I wasn't taking sides, just stating facts.  To sate my own curiosity, I looked into what happened.
 
http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2006/10/20/opinions/ups_and_downs/17923944.txt
 
From the article:
THUMBS DOWN - To those Illinois State University students who pelted Saluki football players and coaches with plastic footballs before last Saturday's game and at the half. The flying footballs led to an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the Redbirds.
 
That's what happened.  I'm not taking sides, agreeing or disagreeing with anyone...just presenting the facts.