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<CENTER>Item V

Disposition of the U. S. Pacific Fleet at 8 a. m. on 7
Dec. 1941

(except ships in Pearl Harbor which are listed
separately)

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<TR><TD ALIGN=center WIDTH="21%">Location
</TD>
<TD ALIGN=center WIDTH="26%">Ship name
</TD>
<TD ALIGN=center WIDTH="15%">Ship No.
</TD>
<TD ALIGN=center WIDTH="36%">Remarks
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">






21-11N,

161-00W






</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Enterprise

Northampton

Chester

Salt Lake City

Balch

Maury

Craven

Gridley

McCall

Dunlap

Benham

Fanning

Ellet

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CV 6

CA 26

CA 27

CA 25

DD 363

DD 401

DD 382

DD 380

DD 400

DD 384

DD 397

DD 385

DD 298

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">This group of ships was designated Task
Force Eight. Location was about 200 miles West of Pearl
Harbor returning from Wake Island. Ships consisted of the
following types:

Aircraft Carrier 1

Heavy Cruisers 3

Destroyers 9

Total 13
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</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">





23-30N,

170-30W






</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Lexington

Chicago

Portland

Astoria

Porter

Drayton

Flusser

Lamson

Mahan

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CV 2

CA 29

CA 33

CA 34

DD 356

DD 366

DD 368

DD 367

DD 364

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">This group of ships was designated Task
Force Twelve. Location was about 460 miles from Midway Island
enroute Midway. Ships consisted of the following types:

Aircraft Carrier 1

Heavy Cruisers 3

Destroyers 5

Total 9
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</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">


Off Johnston Island



</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Indianapolis

Hopkins

Southard

Dorsey

Elliot

Long

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CA 35

DMS 13

DMS 10

DMS 1

DMS 4

DMS 12

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">This group of ships was designated Task
Force Three. Ships consisted of the following types:

Heavy Cruiser 1

Destroyer Mine-

Sweepers 5

Total 6
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">


21-N, 158-W



</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Minneapolis

Chandler

Hovey

Boggs

Lamberton

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CA 36

DMS 9

DMS 11

DMS 3

DMS 2

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Location was the Fleet Operating Area,
about 25 miles south of Oahu. Ships consisted of the
following types:

Heavy Cruiser 1

Destroyer Mine-

Sweepers 4

Total 5
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">

22N, 155W


</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Plunger

Pollack

Pompano

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SS 179

SS 180

SS 181

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Three submarines. About 200 miles east of
Oahu.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">


20N, 159W



</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Litchfield




Thresher

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">DD 336




SS 200

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Destroyer. About 60 miles southwest of
Oahu.

Submarine. About 60 miles southwest of Oahu.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">17N, 166W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Robin

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AM 3

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Minesweeper. About 550 miles southwest of
Oahu.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">


22N, 163W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Wright

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AV 1

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Seaplane tender. About 300 miles
southwest of Oahu.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Off Midway

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Trout

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SS 202

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">28N, 177W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Argonaut

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SM 1

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine. Near Midway.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">27N, 175W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Regulus

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AK 14

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Cargo ship. Near Midway.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">19N, 167E

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Tambor

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SS 198

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine. Near Wake.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">20N, 170E

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Wm. Ward Burrows

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AP 6

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Transport. Enroute Wake.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Off Wake

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Triton

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SS 201

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">7N, 161W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Kuala

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AG 33

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Enroute Palmyra, 60 miles
northeast.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Samoa

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Kingfisher

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AM 25

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Minesweeper.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">8S, 171E

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Louisville

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CA 28

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Heavy cruiser. Escort duty Solomons Is.
area.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">4S, 170W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Pensacola

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CA 24

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Heavy cruiser. Escort duty Samoa
area.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">28N, 135W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Seminole

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AT 65

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Ocean-going tug. Honolulu to San
Diego.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">27N, 142W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Neches

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AO 5

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Oiler. Between San Francisco and Pearl
Harbor.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Honolulu

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Antares

Vega

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AKS 3

AK 17

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Stores issue ship.

Cargo ship.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Lahaina Roads, T. H.

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Seagull

Arctic

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AM 30

AF 7

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Minesweeper.

Stores ship. At degaussing range.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Mare Island Navy Yard

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Clark

Cushing

Perkins

Preston

Smith

Rathburne

S-27

S-28

Nautilus

Cuttlefish

Tuna

Kanawha

Sabine

Kaskaska

Pelican

Bridge

Dixie

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<TD WIDTH="15%">DD 361

DD 376

DD 377

DD 379

DD 378

DD 113

SS 132

SS 133

SS 168

SS 171

SS 203

AO 1

AO 25

AO 27

AV 6

AF 1

AD 14

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Ships at the Mare Island Navy Yard
consisted of the following types:

Destroyers 6

Submarines 5

Oilers 3

Seaplane tender 1

Stores ship 1

Destroyer tender 1

Total 17
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Passage from San Diego to Mare Island
Navy Yard

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Ballard

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AVD 10

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Seaplane tender.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">

San Diego</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Saratoga

Concord

Dent

Talbot

Waters

S-18

S-23

S-34

S-35

Harris

Ortolan

Cuyama

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CV 3

CL 10

DD 116

DD 114

DD 115

SS 123

SS 128

SS 139

SS 140

AP 8

ASR 5

AO 3

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Ships at or off San Diego consisted of
the following types:

Aircraft Carriers 1

Light cruisers 1

Destroyers 3

Submarines 4

Transport 1

Submarine rescue

vessel 1

Oiler 1

Total 12
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">33N, 121W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Sepulga

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AO 20

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Oiler. Near San Diego.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">San Pedro

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Pinola

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AT 33

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Ocean going tug.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Los Angeles

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Platte

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AO 24

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Oiler.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Alameda, Cal.

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Procyon

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AK 19

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Stores ship.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">San Francisco

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Boreas

Aldebaran

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AF 9

AF 10

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Stores ship.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Wilmington, Cal.

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Tippecanoe

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AO 21

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Oiler
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">


Puget Sound Navy Yard

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Colorado

Casco

Williamson

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">BB 45

AVP 12

AVD 2

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Ships in Puget Sound Navy:

Battleship 1

Seaplane tenders 2

Total 3
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Seattle

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Teal

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AVP 5

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Seaplane tender.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Yakutat Bay, Alaska

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Gillis

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AVD 12

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Seaplane Tender.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">53N, 156W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Brazos

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AO 4

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Oiler. About 600 miles east of Dutch
Harbor.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">10S, 83W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Richmond

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CL 9

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Light cruiser. Off Peru.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">Balboa, C. Z.

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Trenton

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">CL 11

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Light cruiser.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">11N, 91W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Fulton

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">AS 11

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine tender. Off Guatemala.
</TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="21%">17N, 102W

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="26%">Gar

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%">SS 206

</TD>
<TD WIDTH="36%">Submarine. Off Mexico.
</TD>
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-- had a lot of trouble with the HTML in this post - sorry for the mess. But it shows the complete dispostion of the Pacific Fleet (except Pearl Harbor). Very interesting and potential input for OOB work.

Don

"alternate" OBC I'm working on begins on 8 Dec 41 if you have any info/input on that. That way Pearl results would be "hardwired" into the game. Input on appropriate "gamey" damage levels for individual ships would be appreciated as well.

Any good websites for what went on theatre wide on 7 Dec 41? AC strengths as well? Basically, I'd like to input "historical" 7 Dec results/activities, then pick the game up there. That way there's none of this "Bad day at Blackrock" stuff when Pearl gets everything whacked desperately.

Sorry, all I have been able to find is as of December 7th.

Off the top of my head:

Lexington, Indianapolis, and Louisville groups went to Pearl.

Pensacola Group Diverted to Australia

W.W. Burrows diverted to Johnson Island

Rest generally continued to destination.

Don

We are also planning a Post Pearl harbor OBC41 scenario. However, it should start on the Afternoon of December 7, 1941, just after the raid on Pearl Harbor. The only things you need to change are damage to ships, air group damage (all at Pearl only) and the destination of the IJN TF 1 (back to home).

The reason that this would be better than a December 8 game, is, that the IJNAF and IJAAF would get TWO pontential air raid results in the Pacific. If you leave the planes damaged at Clark and Singapore like they were historically on December 8 1941, then the start of your game will result in a FURTHER annihilation of these forces, leaving Allied air power historically TOO weak.

Plus, the OBC will give you problems if you change the starting date for December 8, 1941. It doesn't like being fiddled with.

Thanks for the Info. I was contemplating adding those two Omaha CL's to the 1941 orbat, but, since they played no actual part until late in the war (being quickly transferred to the Atlantic) it would be unfair to give the Allies these two extra ships for the battles in 1941-42.

Unfortunately we cannot add all of the AV and AVD type ships due to space limitations.

[This message has been edited by Major Tom (edited December 06, 2000).]

I'm very much looking forward to War in The Pacific and it's ability to handle the smaller types - AVD, DM/DMS, PG, etc.

Also, there is an unused position at the end of the "ships" section of the OOB. Using the numbering system of the (very nice) Excel based OOB editor, it would be position 999. It is in the subs group and must be used for submarines, but I have experimented with it and it works fine.

Don